Digest

Vol.97 #08

November 25th, 1997

Today's Topics:
	 Re: 120 minutes & M2
	 Re: AW: Nordman / swedish (scandinavian) music
	 Re: Nordman again?!
	 Re: 120 minutes & M2
	 Re: Bob Hund, kraut and Kaare and the Cavemen
	 8-bit characters (was: Re: Bob Hund.)
	 RE: Bob Hund.
	 Re: AW: Nordman / swedish (scandinavian) music
	 Re: Bob Hund.
	 Re: Nordman again?!
	 Re: Nordman again?!
	 Re: 120 minutes & M2
	 Re: 120 minutes & M2
	 Re: 120 minutes & M2
	 Re: 120 minutes & M2
	 Re: AW: Nordman / swedish (scandinavian) music
	 Istaellet foer Bob Hund
	 Re: Bob Hund.
	 Re: Bob Hund.
	 Re: Bob Hund.
	 Re: Nordman again?!
	 Re: Bob Hund.
	 Re: Kent
	 Re: Nordman again?!
	 Re: Kent
	 Re: Nordman again?!
	 Swe char, etc
	 Re: Kent
	 Swe char, etc
	 Re. Nordman again?!
	 (More) Bob Hund
	 Re: (More) Bob Hund
	 Re: (More) Bob Hund

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:00:14 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: 120 minutes & M2

At 02:49 1997-11-24 -0500, mqo4365@is4.nyu.edu (Martin Olson) wrote:

[on MTV US "120 Minutes"]
>        Hapilly, a friend of mine works at Arista records and gets a list
>of what videos are going to be played each week so I kinda know whether
>it's even worth taping it. : )

MTV Europe's Alternative Nation crew used to do that as well - ie. send
out the list of what they were going to play on the show to those who
were interested, but I haven't received one single list since Toby
quit. Perhaps that's not very surprising - I don't know if any of the
guys who worked there are still around.

 //Erik 

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:05:58 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: AW: Nordman / swedish (scandinavian) music

At 08:36 1997-11-24 +0100, "Barczinski, Reiner, WAC" wrote:

> 2.) Nordman -> Oh, yes, that's always the problem ...
>
> a.) when you want to listen to a native-singing band ... you don't have
> the problems with the lyrics how silly/bad they may be ... but the sounds
> was like something I wanted to hear ... not international indie, just 
> something more scandinavian-like (Hey, I don't want to offend you! NOBODY 
> listen to his own countries-"folk"/native music, I know ... ;) ). I, as a 
> tourist, even like the dances in Dalarna, or Finland, but would never put 
> an eye on german dances like that ... you understand, what I mean?

You know, that is true. Almost at least. Bands like Hedningarna and
Garmarna are quite popular here, even though they do play Swedish/
Finnish/Lap folk/native music. Though from what I understand, they
are more popular in other countries.

 //Erik 

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:08:04 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Nordman again?!

At 09:25 1997-11-24 +0100, "Barczinski, Reiner, WAC" wrote:
>I'm sorry to mention this again ... but I've to know more, when the
>topic "Nazis" or something like that is coming up ... is something more
>to know about the band in this context, except the runes they're using?
>SO, if I don't have problems with the quality, I would have problems
>listening to them when they've something to do with this ideology ...

I for one have never heard anything about Nordman being connected
in some way to the Nazi movement. But then again, I haven't really
been following Nordman's career.

 //Erik 

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:15:02 -0800
From: svenskax@sfsu.edu
Subject: Re: 120 minutes & M2

you do know now that toby amies is in MTV inn the USA right?

At 01:00 AM 11/25/97 +0100, you wrote:
>At 02:49 1997-11-24 -0500, mqo4365@is4.nyu.edu (Martin Olson) wrote:
>
>[on MTV US "120 Minutes"]
>>        Hapilly, a friend of mine works at Arista records and gets a list
>>of what videos are going to be played each week so I kinda know whether
>>it's even worth taping it. : )
>
>MTV Europe's Alternative Nation crew used to do that as well - ie. send
>out the list of what they were going to play on the show to those who
>were interested, but I haven't received one single list since Toby
>quit. Perhaps that's not very surprising - I don't know if any of the
>guys who worked there are still around.
>
> //Erik 

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:11:05 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Bob Hund, kraut and Kaare and the Cavemen

At 11:30 1997-11-24 +-100, Mikael Fant wrote:

> And K#ln (Can et al) is just around the corner.

Hrrrmm..

 //Erik
 
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:18:47 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: 8-bit characters (was: Re: Bob Hund.)

At 11:55 1997-11-24 +0200, johanna.hillgren@natverkstan.net wrote:

>All the talk about bob hund/Kraftwerk:
>I think I heard that Thomas Oberg (LOOK ERIK! I REMEMBERED TO CHANGE THE
>"YOU KNOW LETTER" TO AN O. Good girl, good girl)

Extremely good girl, I'd say. ;-) But seriously, perhaps it is time to
check out if all subscribers really _can_ receive 8-bit characters or
not? Does anyone know that they can't receive 8-bit ASCII ? Send your
reply to me personally  if that is the case.

 //Erik

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:22:47 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: RE: Bob Hund.

At 12:54 1997-11-24 -0000, Abbott, Daniel, ABBOTTD7 wrote:

>It must also be said that to compare Bob Hund to Kent in any way would
>be like finding a connection between a Rolls Royce and a child's rusty
>tricycle (with a wheel missing.).

Agreed. When it comes to Kent and their new album "Isola", the only
band I can think of comparing them to is The Cure.

 //Erik 

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:22:53 +0200
From: Micke Rehnstrom 
Subject: Re: AW: Nordman / swedish (scandinavian) music

Barczinski, Reiner wrote about NORDMAN:
>but the sounds was like something I wanted to hear ... not international
>indie, just something more scandinavian-like (Hey, I don't want to
>offend you! NOBODY listen to his own countries-"folk"/native music, I
>know ... ;) ).

If you like to listen to "modernized" Scandinavian folk music there are, at
least, three bands I would recommend instead of Nordman. All three of them
start with old folk songs and try to place them in the 20th century.

HEDNINGARNA and GARMARNA are both Swedish bands. They are quite close to
the old tradition of Swedish folk music, just adding a few electric guitars
here and there. Both are neat live acts too. They should be available in
Germany too, at least I have spoken to German exchange students who knew
about these bands.

SORTEN MULD are from Denmark. They turn folk songs into techno, sometimes
stumbling and falling into the "eurotechno" trap (as in the single release
"Ravnen") but it sometimes sound very beautiful, mostly thanks to the
female vocalist who has a wonderful voice.

/Micke

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:27:07 +0200
From: Micke Rehnstrom 
Subject: Re: Bob Hund.

Mats L wrote:
>Can and Kraftwerk, especially Kraftwerk is one of the biggest influences
>that they have.

Perhaps it should also be said that Tomas Oberg, the vocalist in BOB HUND,
has  also been a member of a couple of synth music inspired bands/projects.
OVEN & STOVE, for example. And there was at least one more, but I cannot
remember the name of it.

/Micke

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:37:22 +0200
From: Micke Rehnstrom 
Subject: Re: Nordman again?!

Petter Tiilikainen wrote:
>Maybe this is a bit theoretical, but consider a band that
>are convinced antisemites, still making the most incredible music (yeah
>, I'm not talking Ultima Thule or Skrewdriver here). Would it be very
>wrong to like that band?  Personally, I don't think so.

It is hard to say what is "wrong", I guess. But if I hear a band which I
know are nazis I am so busy hating them that I do not even notice the
music. And if a band has texts that imply these connections - No, I would
never be able to like such a band, no matter what their music sounds like.
Just hate them too much.

/Micke

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:52:11 -0800
From: svenskax@sfsu.edu
Subject: Re: Nordman again?!

 hey guys can i get in your discussion?

At 01:37 AM 11/25/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Petter Tiilikainen wrote:
>>Maybe this is a bit theoretical, but consider a band that
>>are convinced antisemites, still making the most incredible music (yeah
>>, I'm not talking Ultima Thule or Skrewdriver here). Would it be very
>>wrong to like that band?  Personally, I don't think so.
>
>It is hard to say what is "wrong", I guess. But if I hear a band which I
>know are nazis I am so busy hating them that I do not even notice the
>music. And if a band has texts that imply these connections - No, I would
>never be able to like such a band, no matter what their music sounds like.
>Just hate them too much.
>
>/Micke

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:50:32 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: 120 minutes & M2

At 16:15 1997-11-24 -0800, svenskax@sfsu.edu wrote:

>> MTV Europe's Alternative Nation crew used to do that as well - ie. send
>> out the list of what they were going to play on the show to those who
>> were interested, but I haven't received one single list since Toby
>> quit. Perhaps that's not very surprising - I don't know if any of the
>> guys who worked there are still around.
>
> you do know now that toby amies is in MTV inn the USA right?

Heh, nope! He did mention he was going to cross the pond, but he
never said what he was going to do over there (or if he did, I
didn't pay attention...). What is he doing at MTV USA then?

 //Erik

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:05:24 -0800
From: svenskax@sfsu.edu
Subject: Re: 120 minutes & M2

At 01:50 AM 11/25/97 +0100, you wrote:
>At 16:15 1997-11-24 -0800, svenskax@sfsu.edu wrote:
>
>>> MTV Europe's Alternative Nation crew used to do that as well - ie. send
>>> out the list of what they were going to play on the show to those who
>>> were interested, but I haven't received one single list since Toby
>>> quit. Perhaps that's not very surprising - I don't know if any of the
>>> guys who worked there are still around.
>>
>> you do know now that toby amies is in MTV inn the USA right?
>
>Heh, nope! He did mention he was going to cross the pond, but he
>never said what he was going to do over there (or if he did, I
>didn't pay attention...). What is he doing at MTV USA then?
>HE HAS THIS SHOW THAT SUCKS. THEY SHOW VIDEOS THAT ARE EXTREMELY POPULAR
AND THEY SUCK BIG TIME. I THINK NOW HE IS ON SOME SHOW CALLED "LIVE". IT'S
NOT LIVE THOUGH. THEY HAVE GUESTS LIKE ALYSA MILANO AND MOST TIMES ALL MTV
VJ'S ARE THERE WITH HIM SO IT'S NOT REALLY HIS SHOW. ANYWAYS HE AND HIS
SHOW SUCK.

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:36:35 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: 120 minutes & M2

At 16:15 1997-11-24 -0800, svenskax@sfsu.edu wrote:

>>> you do know now that toby amies is in MTV inn the USA right?
>>
>> Heh, nope! He did mention he was going to cross the pond, but he
>> never said what he was going to do over there (or if he did, I
>> didn't pay attention...). What is he doing at MTV USA then?
>
> HE HAS THIS SHOW THAT SUCKS. THEY SHOW VIDEOS THAT ARE EXTREMELY POPULAR
> AND THEY SUCK BIG TIME. I THINK NOW HE IS ON SOME SHOW CALLED "LIVE". IT'S
> NOT LIVE THOUGH. THEY HAVE GUESTS LIKE ALYSA MILANO AND MOST TIMES ALL MTV
> VJ'S ARE THERE WITH HIM SO IT'S NOT REALLY HIS SHOW. ANYWAYS HE AND HIS
> SHOW SUCK.

Are you sure you wanted to SCREAM that?

 //Erik

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:52:59 -0800
From: svenskax@sfsu.edu
Subject: Re: 120 minutes & M2

i did not scream anything. and  i know what you are going to say. just a
way to distinguish.

At 02:36 AM 11/25/97 +0100, you wrote:
>At 16:15 1997-11-24 -0800, svenskax@sfsu.edu wrote:
>
>>>> you do know now that toby amies is in MTV inn the USA right?
>>>
>>> Heh, nope! He did mention he was going to cross the pond, but he
>>> never said what he was going to do over there (or if he did, I
>>> didn't pay attention...). What is he doing at MTV USA then?
>>
>> HE HAS THIS SHOW THAT SUCKS. THEY SHOW VIDEOS THAT ARE EXTREMELY POPULAR
>> AND THEY SUCK BIG TIME. I THINK NOW HE IS ON SOME SHOW CALLED "LIVE". IT'S
>> NOT LIVE THOUGH. THEY HAVE GUESTS LIKE ALYSA MILANO AND MOST TIMES ALL MTV
>> VJ'S ARE THERE WITH HIM SO IT'S NOT REALLY HIS SHOW. ANYWAYS HE AND HIS
>> SHOW SUCK.
>
>Are you sure you wanted to SCREAM that?
>
> //Erik

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:40:27 +0000
From: "Siim Kalder" 
Subject: Re: AW: Nordman / swedish (scandinavian) music

> > 2.) Nordman -> Oh, yes, that's always the problem ...
> >
> > a.) when you want to listen to a native-singing band ... you don't have
> > the problems with the lyrics how silly/bad they may be ... but the sounds
> > was like something I wanted to hear ... not international indie, just 
> > something more scandinavian-like (Hey, I don't want to offend you! NOBODY 
> > listen to his own countries-"folk"/native music, I know ... ;) ). I, as a 
> > tourist, even like the dances in Dalarna, or Finland, but would never put 
> > an eye on german dances like that ... you understand, what I mean?
> 
> You know, that is true. Almost at least. Bands like Hedningarna and
> Garmarna are quite popular here, even though they do play Swedish/
> Finnish/Lap folk/native music. Though from what I understand, they
> are more popular in other countries.

Yeap, gotta confirm this one - after Garmarna played on a pop-folk 
(not sure abuot this classification though) fest down here in Estonia 
last year and Hedningarna this year, they are quite well known. And 
popular. Gotta admit, I find them pretty good myself. However, I don't 
have anything against the experiments made here with Estonian folk 
neither.

Siim
siimk@ut.ee

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:48:02 +0100 (MET)
From: "Erik S." 
Subject: Istaellet foer Bob Hund

On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Micke Rehnstrom wrote:
>Perhaps it should also be said that Tomas Oberg, the vocalist in BOB HUND,
>has  also been a member of a couple of synth music inspired bands/projects.
>OVEN & STOVE, for example. And there was at least one more, but I cannot
>remember the name of it.

Howabout INSTANT LIFE? They've made an album called "I've made
arrangements for world peace" which is kind of good. Doesn't sound at all
like BOB HUND, though.

Erik Starck

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:53:06 +0000
From: "johanna.hillgren" 
Subject: Re: Bob Hund.

Micke Rehnstrom wrote:

> Mats L wrote:
> >Can and Kraftwerk, especially Kraftwerk is one of the biggest influences
> >that they have.
>
> Perhaps it should also be said that Tomas Oberg, the vocalist in BOB HUND,
> has  also been a member of a couple of synth music inspired bands/projects.
> OVEN & STOVE, for example. And there was at least one more, but I cannot
> remember the name of it.
>
> /Micke

Maybe you're thinking of Spacelab, the duo Tomas Oberg had together with Jonas
Synthguy. They made two albums, both containing of great Kraftwerkrip-offs in
both sound- and songwise. And the sleeve artwork is actually one of the nicest
I've ever seen. If you're lucky you might be able to find these album pretty
cheap second-hand. They're definitely worth buying.

DANIEL not understanding people slagging of Kent just because they are
platinasellers. Good music is good music.

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:57:10 +0000
From: "johanna.hillgren" 
Subject: Re: Bob Hund.

Erik Soderstrom wrote:

> At 12:54 1997-11-24 -0000, Abbott, Daniel, ABBOTTD7 wrote:
>
> >It must also be said that to compare Bob Hund to Kent in any way would
> >be like finding a connection between a Rolls Royce and a child's rusty
> >tricycle (with a wheel missing.).
>
> Agreed. When it comes to Kent and their new album "Isola", the only
> band I can think of comparing them to is The Cure.
>
>  //Erik 

Kent rule this country. "Isola" is truly magnificent. There you go.

DANIEL

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:59:17 +0100
From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom)
Subject: Re: Bob Hund.

scan-indie@lysator.liu.se,Internet writes:
>Mats L wrote:
>>Can and Kraftwerk, especially Kraftwerk is one of the biggest
>influences
>>that they have.

>Perhaps it should also be said that Tomas Oberg, the vocalist in BOB
>HUND,
>has  also been a member of a couple of synth music inspired
>bands/projects.
>OVEN & STOVE, for example. And there was at least one more, but I cannot
>remember the name of it.

Oh, don't forget Instant Life! They made 2 albums and they are simply
wonderful! I even like them more than BH, IMHO.
Some kind of subversive dub, not really Kraftwerk, maybe with a hint of
(early) underworld? The lyrics are imaginative and strange, mystic...

You do have to try it, even if you don't like BH. And they sing in
english, which means you can listen to them even if you're not from
scandinavia.

Jan

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:12:06 +0100
From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom)
Subject: Re: Nordman again?!

scan-indie@lysator.liu.se,Internet writes:
>From: Micke Rehnstrom 
>Subject: Re: Nordman again?!
>Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:37:22 +0200

>Petter Tiilikainen wrote:
>>Maybe this is a bit theoretical, but consider a band that
>>are convinced antisemites, 

Or take something more controversial, propagate use of hard drugs?

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:44:10 +0100
From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom)
Subject: Re: Bob Hund.

johanna.hillgren@swipnet.se,Internet writes:

> Maybe you're thinking of Spacelab, the duo Tomas Oberg had together
> with Jonas
> Synthguy.

Wow! That somehow escaped me, that BH was behind Spacelab. I never
really heard much from them, but everybody keeps saying that they're
soooo Kraftwerkish.
I just thought that the people behind Spacelab were techno-nerds like
Swemix or some other Pitch Cotrol-studio guys...

>They made two albums, both containing of great Kraftwerkrip-offs in
>both sound- and songwise. And the sleeve artwork is actually one of the
>nicest
>I've ever seen. If you're lucky you might be able to find these album
>pretty
>cheap second-hand.They're definitely worth buying.

Is there any homepage or discog online on Spacelab? I didn't find
anything, just a lot of Kraftwerk! ;-)

Jan

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:48:57 +0100 (MET)
From: aquadays@swipnet.se
Subject: Re: Kent

Erik Soderstrom wrote:
>When it comes to Kent and their new album "Isola", the only
>band I can think of comparing them to is The Cure.

And Radiohead!!!! The similarities are extreme!

Martin.

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:49:12 +0100 (MET)
From: Petter Tiilikainen 
Subject: Re: Nordman again?!

According to Micke Rehnstrom:

> It is hard to say what is "wrong", I guess. But if I hear a band which I
> know are nazis I am so busy hating them that I do not even notice the
> music. And if a band has texts that imply these connections - No, I would
> never be able to like such a band, no matter what their music sounds like.
> Just hate them too much.

I'm more offended by bad music. I personally believe that controversy
challenges your intellect more than some shiny happy cute indiepop crap.
The world is an ugly place, basically, and there's no need to pretend it's
not.

Petter

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:54:19 +0100 (MET)
From: Petter Tiilikainen 
Subject: Re: Kent

According to aquadays@swipnet.se:
> Erik Soderstrom wrote:
> >When it comes to Kent and their new album "Isola", the only
> >band I can think of comparing them to is The Cure.
> 
> And Radiohead!!!! The similarities are extreme!

What about Uno Svenningson and his former band Freda' ?
I think Kent sounds like them with the addition of distortion,
they're about as talented too.

Petter

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:00:57 +0100 (MET)
From: aquadays@swipnet.se
Subject: Re: Nordman again?!

Micke wrote:

>It is hard to say what is "wrong", I guess. But if I hear a band which I
>know are nazis I am so busy hating them that I do not even notice the
>music. And if a band has texts that imply these connections - No, I would
>never be able to like such a band, no matter what their music sounds like.
>Just hate them too much.

It's never good to hate. But of course, one has to condemn racism and
certainly not listen to music made by racists.

Jan Sundstrom wrote:

>Or take something more controversial, propagate use of hard drugs?

Are you crazy? Do you think drugs are more controversial than antisemitism?

Martin

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:03:05 +-100
From: Mikael Fant 
Subject: Swe char, etc

Wouldn't possibly the following sort out the problem with swedish characters?
Using the trema accent, i.e. two dots, (the key normally just to the left of
the Enter key, on a PC.) used with  a and o, to get ae and oe, and an acute
or grave accent with a to get aa? The trema is used in English (f.x. in the
word naive), and should (I think) be ok with an English character set, or?
Even if it is used as umlaut in german and swedish.

Would this be OK, chief?

The reason for all this is that I want you to give me info on an (I believe)
Estonian noise-pop band that I heard a couple of years back, called, wait for
it.... Roovel oobik, with dots over all o:s, i.e. Roeoevel oeoebik, which is
pretty hard discussing without the dots...

Thanks Magnus for the Kaare-address!

Micke/CV

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:05:52 +0100 (MET)
From: aquadays@swipnet.se
Subject: Re: Kent

Petter wrote:

>What about Uno Svenningson and his former band Freda' ?
>I think Kent sounds like them with the addition of distortion,
>they're about as talented too.

Yeah, Jocke Berg sings almost exactly as Uno, but as the songs
are SO much better than Freda', I like Kent anyway.

Martin

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:56:40 -0500
From: Mo Holkar / UKG 
Subject: Swe char, etc

Micke wrote:
>>
Wouldn't possibly the following sort out the problem with swedish
characters? Using the trema accent, i.e. two dots,
(the key normally just to the left of the Enter key, on a PC.) used with 
a and o, to get ae and oe, and an acute or grave accent with a
to get aa? The trema is used in English (f.x. in the word naive), 
and should (I think) be ok with an English character set, or?
Even if it is used as umlaut in german and swedish.
<<

Even though we do use the two dots diacritical mark in English to indicate
diaeresis in words like naive, noel, imported from French, it's not in the
0-127 character set :-(

There's an established convention among German writers to represent
umlaut-ed characters by an e after the letter, eg Duesseldorf, maedchen,
frauelein, when accented characters are not available -- are there similar
conventions in Swedish?

Although in real life German emails you'd just write Dusseldorf, madchen,
fraulein, and everyone would know what you meant. This would probably be
true if you just wrote Roovel Oobik as well...

Mo

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:14:35 +0100
From: "Barczinski, Reiner, WAC" 
Subject: Re. Nordman again?!

Oh, I'm wondering, which circles my simple question turns out ... but
this topic is always worth some discussion!

Micke wrote:
>> It is hard to say what is "wrong", I guess. But if I hear a band which
>> I know are nazis I am so busy hating them that I do not even notice the
>> music. And if a band has texts that imply these connections - No, I
>> would never be able to like such a band, no matter what their music sounds
>> like. Just hate them too much.
>
> It's never good to hate. But of course, one has to condemn racism and
> certainly not listen to music made by racists.

Yes, think so, too! Talking 'bout racism shoud not be banned, everybody
should be able to TALK about everything, what's his opinion ... I'd
never refuse to talk to these people, a.) because I know that that would
bring nothing positive, and b.) because a.m., everybody can have his own
opinion, if I share it or not ... I'm thinkin' 'bout the discussion
taken place in germany, when it came to that point to forbid
extremely-right-wing-parties or not ... than I must say, perhaps it's
better to let them be allowed, because only if the party's forbidden,
their members won't change their mind, and if you have them all together
in one party, you - as a government - know better, where they're to find
... but enough of this, this is - as far as I know - a music-list, and
not political-discussion, but music with some deeper meaning sometimes
is policy ... In the end, it's always the same: I don't really know
rights or wrongs ... except that racism is to be refused at all costs
... (and that was only half of that, and in an other way as I would have
said in german ...)

Jan Sundstrom wrote:
>> Or take something more controversial, propagate use of hard drugs?
>
> Are you crazy? Do you think drugs are more controversial than
> antisemitism?
>
> Martin

IMO, there's nothing to refuse more in general than antisemitism,
racism, fasicm and all that, because hard drugs is the choice of
everyone himself, for example ...

Huh, and all that, just because of Nordman ...

Reiner

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:06:00 -0000
From: "Abbott, Daniel, ABBOTTD7" 
Subject: (More) Bob Hund

Anyone,
so, I've been listening to Bob Hund music for a year or so now, and have
remained in absolute AWE of them despite the fact that I can't
understand a single word of what Tomas sings, not being a Swedish
speaker myself. This doesn't particularly present any great problems to
me, I listen to plenty of music in other languages that I don't
understand (naturally, this is occasionally the case with English
singers too...), I'm just listening to the songs from a perspective
where the vocals become just another instrument in the arrangement. BUT,
as I'm on this list I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask if anyone
out there has ever attempted rough Swedish-English translations of any
Bobby Hund songs. Well?

Yes, of course their lyrics (Which all my Swedish friends are constantly
telling me are very, very unique, beautiful and special... also, didn't
they win some Swedish "grammy" award last year?) will lose a lot in
transition and outside the context of their native language, but I'm
burning with curiosity to know even rough, sketchy outlines of some of
the songs.
So? Is anyone brave enough?

  - Daniel

PS: Yes, yes, I'll learn Swedish... but not just now!

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:32:02 +0100 (MET)
From: Petter Tiilikainen 
Subject: Re: (More) Bob Hund

According to Abbott, Daniel, ABBOTTD7:

> as I'm on this list I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask if anyone
> out there has ever attempted rough Swedish-English translations of any
> Bobby Hund songs. Well?

I think Robert Cumming has done some rather good translations actually,
check this url out:
http://www.astro.su.se/~robert/Musik/bob_hund.html

/Petter

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:28:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Martin  Olson 
Subject: Re: (More) Bob Hund

If you do a web-search for "Bob Hund lyrics" on any search engine, you'll
probably come up with this one page I ran across a while ago that has
translations from all the bob hund albums into english.  I think I have
issues with maybe the way one or two things here and there are translated
and YES you really do lose a hell of a lot in the translation, but it's
certainly worth a look...

later,
Martin.

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