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	 Re: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized)
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	 pygmalion
	 Re[2]: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized)
	 Re: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized)
	 Re: pygmalion
	 Re: pygmalion?
	 Slowdive videos
	 Re: Slowdive videos
	 holding our breath

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:53:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Claire De Leon! 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

> It was generally recieved quite well by Slowdive fans, but a lot of big
> shoegazer fans were a bit dissapointed by the shift from Slowdive to Mojave
> 3, but Pygmalion wasn't a shoegazer album anyway.  No offense if you fall
> into that catagory, but I wonder how many of you would have loved "AMT" if
> it had been Slowdive album number four, instead of Mojave 3 album number
> one. 

I suppose I am the only one here who actually doesn't care much for the
Mojave 3 album...I love everything Slowdive ever did (except maybe Some
Velvet Morning, which isn't the greatest, IMO) but I gotta say I just
didn't warm up to that Mojave 3 album...perhaps I should give it another
listen, since last time I heard it, it was before the album was even
released, but I have a feeling I still won't like it as much as any
Slowdive material. I also admit that some of Pygmalion isn't really for me
either, but the other half is some of the most tremendous stuff they have
done, so on the whole, it's a great album...babble babble....

Daniel

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:54:02 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

To this very day, it saddens me that Slowdive's effects pedals are 
hiding somewhere in the far reaches of Neil and Christian's closets.  
When you have such a beautiful ear for sound, and genius ideas to make 
layers of fuzz, you just don't throw that away!
I absolutely hated Mojave 3 when I first heard it.  I wanted Souvlaki 
part 2, or them to go back to their early "Blue day" days.  Our only 
hope is that Neil will keep changing and drift Mojave's lush sound 
back towards some form of delayed noise.  I must admit, if you put 
AMT on quite often, it does grow on you.  You can really get a feel 
for how beautiful Rachel and Neil sound together, no matter what the 
circumstances are.  However, it was the guitars, and the simple 
layered noise structure that made Slowdive work.
All we can do is hope, that Mojave 3 keeps experimenting back to it's 
true roots.

wade@tapehouse.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:11:13 -0600 (CST)
From: "..." <1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu>
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized)

On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Brad Nicholson wrote:
  I know a few people who are **HUGE** Spacemen 3 fans, and they don't
> like Spiritualized.  Why?  Even though Spiritualized are a very natural
> continuation of the Spacemen, and actually an improvement on the ideas
> explored, they are not the Spacemen.

Speaking of Spiritualized, I saw them this Saturday at Liberty Lunch in 
Austin.  It was just not that great.  I feel like the analogy of the 
Emperor's New Clothes can be applied to reincarnated bands.  People grew 
to love a band and when that band breaks up, a reincarnation of any of 
the members revives their loyal fanbase.  A lot of times though, 
the fans procalim something that just isn't there.  Even if the music 
isn't as good, our loyalty to the band often makes us alot more forgiving 
critically.  I didn't listen to Spacemen 3 before Spiritualized, so I 
can't say who was better.  I've loved Spiritualized album #1 better than 
any of them and I can feel the longing in the soul of Jason Pierce 
throughout their 3 albums, but their live show is just a bit boring 
musically (and only musically I must say).  
There is joy in repetition, and I'm as big a minimalist fan as anybody, 
but musically speaking they just don't perform so well.  It's a totally 
incredible visceral experience (lights, smoke, sound, bass, people 
everywhere), but from a critical musical perspective, they really aren't 
doing anything that amazing...
	more on Slowdive/Mojave 3 later
	cory
	1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:16:37 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

At 09:53 1997-12-15 -0500, Claire De Leon! wrote:

> I suppose I am the only one here who actually doesn't care much for the
> Mojave 3 album...I love everything Slowdive ever did (except maybe Some
> Velvet Morning, which isn't the greatest, IMO)

Oh, Some Velvet Morning is one of my Slowdive favourites! It's just
so slow, smooth and dreamy - I fell in love with it the moment I
first heard it.

And for the record, heh, I am a Mojave 3 fan and I like what they do,
but I'd sell my soul to get Slowdive back anytime. ;)

 //Erik 

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:21:19 -0600
From: avalyn 
Subject: RE: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized)

spiritualized blew me away live. but i could tell what he meant
when someone said something along the lines of: "spiritualized
are awesome when they've got it togther. but when it's a bad night,
they are horrible." i got them on a good night. yay.

o_o

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:39:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Claire De Leon! 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

> Oh, Some Velvet Morning is one of my Slowdive favourites! It's just
> so slow, smooth and dreamy - I fell in love with it the moment I
> first heard it.
> 
I personally like the original *so* much more - granted they did a nice
job adding that certain Slowdive charm like no others could...but still, I
prefer the original, as well as preferring the blissed out glory that
epitomized Slowdive for me (i.e. Shine....yummmmmmmm)

Daniel

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:23:55 +0000
From: Myron 
Subject: pygmalion

You know whenever I listen to Souvlaki I can't bare to
listen to "Alison."  I always listen to the whole album
aside though.

I really feel my favorite is Pygmalion!
It's minimalist in sound compared to Souvlaki mostly,
but there's just something about "Crazy For You" and
"Blue Skied An' Clear," and I always find myself
listening to "Cello."

I don't know why I like Pygmalion the best.  Does
anyone else?

Mojave 3 is pretty good.  I definitely feel Hastead
and Goswell were the most important members of
Slowdive.

Did the other members of Slowdive ever put out any
other music out?  I lose track of all the split ups.
Still haven't heard bought Hurricane #1, for example.

Myron

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 14:33:11 CST
From: Crios@dminet.davidson-marketing.com
Subject: Re[2]: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized)

I agree with that... Majave 3 isn't bad but compared to Slowdive I just don't
feel that they hold their own... Because of the fact that it was once slowdive I
am a little more open minded but say I didn't know that.... I wouldn't have
hated the album but it really wouldn't have impressed anything on me...
                Chris
_______________________________________________________________________________

Speaking of Spiritualized, I saw them this Saturday at Liberty Lunch in 
Austin.  It was just not that great.  I feel like the analogy of the 
Emperor's New Clothes can be applied to reincarnated bands.  People grew 
to love a band and when that band breaks up, a reincarnation of any of 
the members revives their loyal fanbase.  A lot of times though, 
the fans procalim something that just isn't there.  Even if the music 
isn't as good, our loyalty to the band often makes us alot more forgiving 
critically.  I didn't listen to Spacemen 3 before Spiritualized, so I 
can't say who was better.  I've loved Spiritualized album #1 better than 
any of them and I can feel the longing in the soul of Jason Pierce 
throughout their 3 albums, but their live show is just a bit boring 
musically (and only musically I must say).  
There is joy in repetition, and I'm as big a minimalist fan as anybody, 
but musically speaking they just don't perform so well.  It's a totally 
incredible visceral experience (lights, smoke, sound, bass, people 
everywhere), but from a critical musical perspective, they really aren't 
doing anything that amazing...
 more on Slowdive/Mojave 3 later
 cory
 1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:52:36 -0600
From: erik 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!(spiritualized)

I, too was at the Spiritualized show in Austin and thought it was one of the
best shows I had ever seen next to the Flaming Lips or Mercury Rev.  The
power that encompassed me is undescribable; I couldn't say an entire word
until about fifteen minutes after the show.  I didn't even feel like I was
breathing amongst the awestruck crowd, wall of smoke and intense light show.
This show made me realize that in a society plagued with Marilyn Manson,
Spice Girls and Hanson all side by side, Spiritualized is the best band on
the market right now.  I think that the atmosphere between Spiritualized's
earlier albums and later albums and their live shows is quite different, but
that's understandable with the amount of work that went into the albums.
Jason Spaceman definently has a vision unlike anything possible with
Spacemen 3, which was made very obvious by the set-closer of Walkin With
Jesus.  Keeping the songs to the basics that night may have had something to
do with their regular keyboardist being absent, but I don't know.  I think
the way they restrain the noise yet completely unleash it in certain areas
was very cool and I don't think anybody could bring that kind of power to
the mainstream like Spiritualized can.  Hopefully the world is ready for the
second coming.
"Think I can Rock and Roll... Probably just twisted.
Think I want to tell the World... Probably ain't listenin."
-J. Spaceman  I Think I'm in Love

Yours truly,
            Erik


At 12:11 PM 12/15/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Speaking of Spiritualized, I saw them this Saturday at Liberty Lunch in 
>Austin.  It was just not that great.  I feel like the analogy of the 
>Emperor's New Clothes can be applied to reincarnated bands.  People grew 
>to love a band and when that band breaks up, a reincarnation of any of 
>the members revives their loyal fanbase.  A lot of times though, 
>the fans procalim something that just isn't there.  Even if the music 
>isn't as good, our loyalty to the band often makes us alot more forgiving 
>critically.  I didn't listen to Spacemen 3 before Spiritualized, so I 
>can't say who was better.  I've loved Spiritualized album #1 better than 
>any of them and I can feel the longing in the soul of Jason Pierce 
>throughout their 3 albums, but their live show is just a bit boring 
>musically (and only musically I must say).  
>There is joy in repetition, and I'm as big a minimalist fan as anybody, 
>but musically speaking they just don't perform so well.  It's a totally 
>incredible visceral experience (lights, smoke, sound, bass, people 
>everywhere), but from a critical musical perspective, they really aren't 
>doing anything that amazing...
>	more on Slowdive/Mojave 3 later
>	cory
>	1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu
>
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:49:58 -0600
From: John 
Subject: Re: pygmalion

Myron wrote:
 
> Did the other members of Slowdive ever put out any
> other music out?  I lose track of all the split ups.

Simon Scott was in Chapterhouse briefly. He was also in the Charlottes
prior to Slowdive. Christian Savill played in Eternal, on Sarah 
Records, prior to Slowdive. Neil Halstead sang on Locust's new album
and recorded a 12" for Tony Morley's Leaf Records a few years back.

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:00:03 -0600
From: Torr 
Subject: Re: pygmalion?

Can anyone make me a cassette dub of this album?
If so, please e-mail me personally. thanks!

Torr

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:22:32 -0500
From: Gordon Brown 
Subject: Slowdive videos

Hi,

The family is getting a new hi-fi vcr for Christmas and I will be able to
make copies of videos. If anyone is interested in trading this is what I am
after. For every one maxell gold video tape of 120 min. at sp speed you want
you send me one of the following cds (not taped copies--already have those)

The Verve: A Storm In Heaven
The Verve: Urban Hymns
The Verve: A Northern Soul
Stereolab: Refried Ectoplasm
Stereolab: Mars Audiac Quintet
Stereolab: Transient Random Noise Bursts With Announcement
Stereolab: Space Age Bachelor Pad Music
Stereolab: Emperor Tomato Ketchup

It doesn't matter to me whether the discs are new or used, so check out your
local used record store or buy the disc, tape it, and mail the cd along.
Please check with me first though before going out and buying anything just
in case someone else has offered to do so.

Here's the list (note: I can only record in NTSC)

Grades:

A	Perfect
A-	Slight problems. Picture is not immaculate, and/ or sound slightly muffled.
B+	As above, but problems are more serious.
B	Viewable picture but sound usually camera mike only; noticeable picture
        messups
B-	Sound distorted. Picture show signs of being a few generations old.

Slowdive:
Paard Van Troje, Den Haag   23.02.92    55    B  (handheld cam--front row)
Rockcandy, Seattle          17.05.92    55    B+ (handheld cam--in front)
Commodore Ballroom, Vancouver  19.05.92 55    B+ (handheld cam--side of stage)
Clapham Grand, London       11.06.93    65    B+ (handheld cam--balcony)
Lee's Palace, Toronto       21.05.94    60    A- (handheld cam--side of stage)
Poetic Frenzy --  promo video            8    A
Morningrise -- promo video               5    A-
Catch the Breeze -- promo video          5    A  (US vid. SBK, no band just
                                                   colourwashed scenery)
Alison -- promo video                    5    A-

Thanks
Gord

note: it might be best to email me directly as I am on the digest version.

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:24:47 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: Slowdive videos
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Gordon,
  actually, if you don't want cash, put me down  for sending you 
Urban Hymns, in return I would like the 94 show.  
wade

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:02:38 -0800
From: Sabrina Frank 
Subject: holding our breath

a few days ago i mentioned i had a copy of holding our breath...a few
people wanted tapes of it..as i am heading home for break in a few days...i
would like to know who wanted a copy..i'd be interested in trading tapes or
something like that

here's stuff i have people might want on a tape

slowdive
holding our breath
morningrise
in mind remixes
pygmalion

verve
blue
slide away
history one and two
on your own
this is music
drugs dont work

my bloody valentine
youmademerealise
feedmewithyourkiss
tremelo ep

cocteau twins
the boxed set of singles
victorialand

black tape for a blue girl
this lush garden within
remnants of a deeper purity


spiritualized
fucked up inside
good dope good fun
electricity one and two

--i have other stuff too, just ask

here's stuff i am looking to get tapes of

slowdive:  singles i dont have
verve:  all in the mind, voyager 1, and live stuff
my bloody valentine, any decent recordings of their early stuff (i have
this bootleg tape but the sound is awful)
spiritualized:  if anyone has any of their early singles......
spacemen3:  anything other than perfect prescription, taking drugs to make
music to take drugs to, dreamweapon, for all the fucked up children of the
world..., and sound of confusion

Please get back to me at this address

BLUEMUSE8@AOL.com

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