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	 Primal is king
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	 peaceful and calm
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	 attitude
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	 5 EP

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 03:03:06 PST
From: "michaelnicki barrett" 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

Hi
The only prob I could se is that did'nt SBK opt out of the deals with 
creation and would'nt creation own the rights and permision would have 
to be sought from creation (and Sony).And I don't think they are that 
willing to give them up as the cost of recording ect would come into 
it(remember MBV costs).I don't want to rain on anyones Parade but it 
would be nice for the fans to control the music so there would be enough 
to go around.And if you have success I would be interested in know the 
cost for other creation bands that have been cast aside (remember the 
Telescopes).

Thanks
Michael

> Has anyone ever considered trying to buy the USA rights to
> albums like Against Perfection and Fake from SBK Records?
> I wonder if it's even possible, and how much it'd be.
> ---------------------------------
>
> I sent the above message to the Adorable list.
> It's generated a bit of discussion, and it is relevant to 
> Slowdive.   
>
> It's tough to find Just For A Day and Souvlaki.  Rather discouraging
> when you introduce a friend to them, but he can't buy them.
>
> It'd be pretty darn neat to buy the USA album rights from SBK.
> they aren't making any money from the albums now, so if someone
> approached them for the rights, one would think they'd be reasonable...
>
> I think it might be worth exploring.
>
> Evan

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:58:17 -0500
From: brenden1@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

> It's tough to find Just For A Day and Souvlaki.  Rather discouraging
> when you introduce a friend to them, but he can't buy them.
>
> Evan

That's funny, those seem to be the only two albums that I ever see by
Slowdive. You can usually find both of them at Media Play or any other
major entertainment outlet. It's the other stuff that's very scarce.

Take care,
B    R    E    N    D    E    N

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:52:51 -0500
From: "Jason A. Paris" 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

Can anyone inform me of how to get on the ADORABLE list?

Thanks,

JP :)

At 19:53 28/12/97 -0500, you wrote:

> Has anyone ever considered trying to buy the USA rights to
> albums like Against Perfection and Fake from SBK Records?
> I wonder if it's even possible, and how much it'd be.
> ---------------------------------
>
> I sent the above message to the Adorable list.
> It's generated a bit of discussion, and it is relevant to 
> Slowdive.   
>
> It's tough to find Just For A Day and Souvlaki.  Rather discouraging
> when you introduce a friend to them, but he can't buy them.
>
> It'd be pretty darn neat to buy the USA album rights from SBK.
> they aren't making any money from the albums now, so if someone
> approached them for the rights, one would think they'd be reasonable...
>
> I think it might be worth exploring.
>
> Evan

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:49:47 -0800
From: Agent Cooper 
Subject: Primal is king

========= begin quoted post ==========

Subject: Just for a day
   From:  "Kurt.Verweire" 

[snip]

Everybody mentions either Pygmalion or
Souvlaki as the best thing Slowdive ever made. But no one mentions "Just
for a day". To me this is the ideal mix of sounds (which were more
important in the early days) and song (which dominates later). And what
is more particular, this album contains their best song ever "Primal".

[snip]

Kurt

======== end quoted post =========

I have all of slowdive's releases and having listened to all of them for about
3 years now, I have to agree - Just For A Day is my favorite disc, and Primal
is my favorite track. It's odd that I didn't come to this conclusion until
just a few weeks ago, mostly because I had shelved Just For A Day for a very
long time.

Just put it on, skip to the last two minutes of Primal and turn it up...
you'll be converted too!

And speaking of bands that "evolve", I was kicked off the RIDE mailinglist
because of my extreme disagreement with those who joined the list (and hence
listened to RIDE) because they liked Carnival Of Light / Tarantula. It was
really annoying - they were debating what the list t-shirt should be and it
was obvious that the fans of Nowhere were far more intellectually capable than
the C.O.L. fans...

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:04:12 -0500
From: eddiej7@juno.com (ladies and gentleman we are floating in space)
Subject: Re: Primal is king

> And speaking of bands that "evolve", I was kicked off the RIDE mailinglist
> because of my extreme disagreement with those who joined the list (and hence
> listened to RIDE) because they liked Carnival Of Light / Tarantula. It was
> really annoying - they were debating what the list t-shirt should be and it
> was obvious that the fans of Nowhere were far more intellectually capable
> than the C.O.L. fans...

Ahem,   speaking as the founder and now co-owner of Vapour Trail, the Ride
email list, I don't believe anyone has ever been kicked off. I'm fairly
certain though, that you're talking about the time when I ran the list
*manually* by myself, because i don't recall hearing from you after that.
It is likely, that if you were indeed kicked off the list, that i accidentally
deleted you. I know i accidentally deleted at least one person. However,
considering your above statement, i can't say i'm all that sorry that it
happened.

Evan

Vapour Trail admin (and Nowhere is my alltime favorite album)

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:27:43 EST
From: Primarygrl 
Subject: Re: Primal is king

In a message dated 97-12-30 20:20:30 EST, you write:

<<
 Ahem,   speaking as the founder and now 
 co-owner of Vapour Trail, the Ride email list, I don't believe anyone has
 ever been kicked off. I'm fairly certain though, that you're talking about
 the time when I ran the list *manually* by myself, because i don't recall
 hearing from you after that. It is likely, that if you were indeed kicked
 off the list, that i accidentally deleted you. I know i accidentally deleted
 at least one person. However, considering your above statement, i can't say
 i'm all that sorry that it happened.
 
 Evan
 
 Vapour Trail admin (and Nowhere is my alltime favorite album)
>>

Pretty sad that someone like you runs such a list with THAT attitude!!!  Can't
take an opinion, or what???

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:59:45 -0600
From: travis salisbury 
Subject: peaceful and calm

> From: Primarygrl
>
><<
> Ahem,   speaking as the founder and now 
> co-owner of Vapour Trail, the Ride email list, I don't believe anyone has
> ever been kicked off. I'm fairly certain though, that you're talking about
> the time when I ran the list *manually* by myself, because i don't recall
> hearing from you after that. It is likely, that if you were indeed kicked
> off the list, that i accidentally deleted you. I know i accidentally deleted
> at least one person. However, considering your above statement, i can't say
> i'm all that sorry that it happened.
> 
> Evan
> 
> Vapour Trail admin (and Nowhere is my alltime favorite album)
>>>

This mailing list should stay attitude free! Music and Slowdive is about
understanding and not disagreement.  

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:17:12 -0500
From: eddiej7@juno.com (ladies and gentleman we are floating in space)
Subject: Re: Primal is king

just to defend myself.....

> Pretty sad that someone like you runs such a list with THAT 
> attitude!!! Can't take an opinion, or what???

No, actually that's not it.   
You see, this fellow, Agent Cooper used to deliberately try to incite
flame wars on our list.  Looking back on it, i should've kicked him off.
I spent approximately 30-45 minutes PER DAY running that list in 
the beginning, and, pardon me, i didn't want to spend my time on running
extra posts because someone was just making an ass of themself with rude
comments. Taking an opinion is much different when it is MY time that is
being wastefully and frequently spent on it...

That said, i didn't purposefully kick him off the list.   But yes, i'm
glad it happened.  It saved me plenty of work from his attempts at initiating
flame wars.  

and besides his last statement "anyone who likes Carnival of Light more
than Nowhere has no brain" (my words, not his) is just dumb. Nowhere is
my favorite album of all time. and Carnival of Light is my second favorite
Ride album.   

Evan

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:58:05 -0600 (CST)
From: "jvan@bcm.tmc.edu" 
Subject: Re: Primal is king

On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Primarygrl wrote:

> In a message dated 97-12-30 20:20:30 EST, you write:
>  
> Vapour Trail admin (and Nowhere is my alltime favorite album)
>
> 
> Pretty sad that someone like you runs such a list with THAT attitude!!!
> Can't take an opinion, or what???

 Yes but the first guy wasn't only expressing his opinion but bashing others
 who happened to have a different opinion from his. I like early Ride as 
 much as anyone but insulting people's intelligence and baiting for 
 flames is another thing 

 The Ride list has been filled lately with a lot of empty baiting and sniping
 back and forth so I don't blame the listowner 

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:33:18 -0800 (PST)
From: midglider 
Subject: Re: Primal is king

My 2Cents,

Primal is a supremely beautiful song. Especially the
cello in the backgroung melting into the guitars. 
For me, its hard to say which Slowdive album is the
best since they are one the few bands to push a
certain vision further with each album.

Just for a Day has elements of classic shoegazer
moves (the Ride-esque "ahhhhs" vocals on brighter,
the plodding Disintegration era cure arrangements on
Spanish Air etc...) 

They went for a darker, more velvety sound on some
Blue Day tracks and fleshed out those even further on
Souvlaki, only to do a "retro-minimalist" ambient
album on Pygmalion. 

In the end, each record stands on its own and even
today has a timeless quality. Too bad few bands today
try anymore. 

Anyways, Happy New Years to all you shoegazers out
there...


---Agent Cooper  wrote:
>
> ========= begin quoted post ==========
> 
> Subject: Just for a day
>    From:  "Kurt.Verweire" 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Everybody mentions either Pygmalion or Souvlaki as the best thing
> Slowdive ever made. But no one mentions "Just for a day". To me this
> is the ideal mix of sounds (which were more important in the early
> days) and song (which dominates later). And what is more particular,
> this album contains their best song ever "Primal".
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Kurt

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:23:02 EST
From: Primarygrl 
Subject: attitude

In a message dated 97-12-31 00:28:41 EST, you write:

<<
 No, actually that's not it.   
 You see, this fellow, Agent Cooper used to deliberately try to incite
 flame wars on our list.  Looking back on it, i should've kicked him off.
 I spent approximately 30-45 minutes PER DAY running that list in 
 the beginning, and, pardon me, i didn't want to spend my time on running
 extra posts because someone was just making an ass of themself with rude
 comments. Taking an opinion is much different when it is MY time that is
 being wastefully and frequently spent on it...
 
 That said, i didn't purposefully kick him off the list.   But yes, i'm
 glad it happened.  It saved me plenty of work from his attempts at initiating
 flame wars.  
 
 and besides his last statement "anyone who likes Carnival of Light more
 than Nowhere has no brain" (my words, not his) is just dumb. Nowhere is
 my favorite album of all time. and Carnival of Light is my second favorite
 Ride album.   
 
 Evan
>>

Ah, I can see your point, then.  That would be pretty nerve-racking.

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:24:02 EST
From: Primarygrl 
Subject: Re: Primal is king

In a message dated 97-12-31 01:01:06 EST, you write:

<<
 Yes but the first guy wasn't only expressing his opinion but bashing others
 who happened to have a different opinion from his. I like early Ride as 
 much as anyone but insulting people's intelligence and baiting for 
 flames is another thing 
 
 The Ride list has been filled lately with a lot of empty baiting and sniping
 back and forth so I don't blame the listowner
>>

Understandable.

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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 03:40:36 +0000
From: Brian Burgher 
Subject: Re: Primal is king

THIS IS A SLOWDIVE LIST NOT A RIDE LIST TAKE YOUR PETTY CRYBABY CRAP
SOMEWHERE ELSE
                           BRIAN

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:09:40 PST
From: "dan smith" 
Subject: 5 EP

Hello all!-

I know this is the most posted message, but I need help getting hold of 
the following Slowdive items:

                        a.  5 EP (not IN MIND REMIXES) CD or 12"
                        b.  Any Slowdive Videos
                        c.  Any Slowdive Bootlegs
                        d.  Mojave 3-"Ask Me Tomorrow" LP

I have no bootlegs to trade with, so any help otherwise would be very 
appreciated.  5 EP is the only item I'm having a lot of trouble 
locating.  Please help.  And does anyone know what the latest word on 
the new Mojave 3 is?  

Dan 
signboy@hotmail.com
http://www.hotmail.com

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