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	 RIDE  *were*  Sire
	 RE: Ride (more): was "Primal is King"
	 Re: RIDE *were* Sire
	 rare music owners stingy!
	 Re: rare music owners stingy!
	 Re: rare music owners stingy!
	 Re: RIDE *were* Sire
	 Re: rare music owners stingy!
	 Re: rare music owners stingy!
	 Re: rare music owners stingy!
	 Blue Day question
	 Re: rare music owners stingy!
	 Re: Blue Day question

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:07:21 -0600
From: Gary Hendershot 
Subject: RIDE  *were*  Sire

>> and the "Grasshopper" mini-album CD also on 
>> Reprise -- which is an excellent collection of their earlier 
>> CD-EPs that also has a somewhat controversial front cover.
>>
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> 
> I have Grasshopper, and it's Sire, but-- i didn't know that this
> had created controversy.  I can certainly see how it would, but
> can you give me details?
> 
> by the way, good to see someone from Houston-- i was born
> there.
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Yip.  It's on Sire (Japan).  Guess I still had "Reprise" on me brain 
a bit too much last night.  As for the cover, I don't know that 
there ever *really* was an actual controversy about its graphics, 
but if it had been released in the USA it probably would've had a 
fair chance of stirring-up a controversy.  The cover features a half 
nude approximately 14-year-old girl -- ala the old Blind Faith album 
cover -- but in this case she is sitting in a backwards chair facing 
the camera.  I don't think the photograph was meant to be pornographic, 
but undoubtedly someone would probably be offended by the sight of a 
young girl's breasts on a record cover.  If I'm not mistaken again, 
this is a photograph taken by Robert Maplethorpe, who became a 
controversial character himself after his death in the right-wing 
anti-arts witchhunts back in the early 1990s.

As for the "Grasshopper" CD-EP I bought:  Best damn $11.99 I ever 
spent!  Ye-ha!

-Gary H-
ghenders@gary-hendershot.com

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:14:56 -0600
From: travis salisbury 
Subject: RE: Ride (more): was "Primal is King"

>> same with me...I would love to get a copy.....
>> and I think the Slowdive rarities compilation is a great idea as well...
>
> speaking of live at oslo...is there anyone on this list who'd be willing to
> do a dub trade? i have some live verve, mbv, and a tori tape (well, it's
> somewhere around here), and other rare stuff...blah blah blah...having
> never seen slowdive live me thinks oslo is one of those things i need to
> hear. thanks. :)
>
> joanna
> joroses@mail.utexas.edu

I have a recording of Lovesliescrushing live in Chicago '97. If some
wants to trade for some live Slowdive, Mojave 3 or MBV . Let me know

Travis
tsalisbury@usa.net

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:18:41 -0600 (CST)
From: "jvan@bcm.tmc.edu" 
Subject: Re: RIDE *were* Sire

On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Gary Hendershotwrote:
 
> Yip.  It's on Sire (Japan).  Guess I still had "Reprise" on me brain 
> a bit too much last night.  As for the cover, I don't know that 
> there ever *really* was an actual controversy about its graphics, 
> but if it had been released in the USA it probably would've had a 
> fair chance of stirring-up a controversy.  The cover features a half 
> nude approximately 14-year-old girl -- ala the old Blind Faith album 
> cover -- but in this case she is sitting in a backwards chair facing 
> the camera.  I don't think the photograph was meant to be pornographic, 
> but undoubtedly someone would probably be offended by the sight of a 
> young girl's breasts on a record cover.  If I'm not mistaken again, 
> this is a photograph taken by Robert Maplethorpe, who became a 
> controversial character himself after his death in the right-wing 
> anti-arts witchhunts back in the early 1990s.
 
The photographer is some guy named Jock Sturges who also did
similar cover art for the Twisterella and Leave them All Behind
singles. I don't remember if there was any controversy over 
the artwork when these were released in '92. I'm sure Sturges
came under fire for it when the photos were first unveiled. 
 
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:32:16 -0600 (CST)
From: "..." <1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu>
Subject: rare music owners stingy!

I agree with this and other messages like it!  I've found it so 
difficult, particularly with Slowdive fans (ironically), to just get some 
dubs of the rarer stuff.  I'm also on the Swervedriver list where within 
a week of someone suggesting it, a member had volunteered to compile a 
set of two 90 minute tapes containing every rare song and every b-side  
and hard to find 7" and other vinyl release Swervedriver had ever put 
out. I had my copy within a few week for the cost of postage and the 
tape cost to the person who recorded mine.  With everyone always talking 
about how inspiring and beautiful Slowdive's music is and how good art 
should be easier to come by, I'm surprised no one has mobilized something 
like this yet.  I'd do it, but I only have what's easy to find (Just For 
a Day, Souvlaki, and Morningrise e.p.).  I realize that it is illegal to 
sell stuf like that for a profit, but there must be some good will doers 
somewhere on this list.  Let's get together and get the great music of 
this wonderful band out!   cory

On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Mark wrote:

>> I have been on this list for a while and I am just going to throw out a
>> thought. Is anyone willing to simply "tape" "burn" some live Slowdive
>> material for anyone without asking for an arm and a leg. Slowdive is the
>> most moving band that I have ever heard. Making this accessible to others
>> simply from a gesture of good will to others who feel the same way...is this
>> asking too much? hmmmmm good question.
>>
>> I saw Slowdive open for Adorable in Phoenix. It was incredible to say the
>> least. I would love to get a copy of some live material but have nothing to
>> trade for it. I do have all the ep's and the cd's but shouldn't have to part
>> with them to get a hold of some live stuff ( i.e. trade)
>>
>> Maybe I am out there living with Utopian visions, but maybe there is some
>> value to making ART (such as Slowdive) available to most.
>> What do you all think?
>
> I agree whole-heartedly. With enough interest to generate a mailing list
> of tight, rapidly delivered responses. then there exists an audience who
> would never be able to acheive the higher order of Slowdive without the
> good will advances and educated dispersals of rare, spiritual and sacred
> Slowdive lives and unreleased out-takes. Does anyone else feel this way?
> Also, if trading is to be somewhat commenced, I believe the elders in
> holding should help construct a way for newcomers to "study" or ascertain
> certain high level recordings. Not cliqueish, but rather community minded.
> Any thoughts?
> Or privately, ndns@mindsprin.com

cory
1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:21:35 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

I put together a rarities tape myself of all the eps, blue day 
included, the flexi songs, three unreleased songs, bleed, song 1, 
silver screen so I'd be happy to let others get a copy.  I'm just low 
on blank tapes that's all.

wade
people need to stop being stingy about this music, that's not what 
this music is about!

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:57:55 -0600
From: o_o_o 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

We have indeed been down this road before.  I don't think it is that people
are stingy.  I don't know too many people who have a complete discography.
I do have the three EPs that comprise Blue Day (and I also have Blue Day).
But I don't have the 5EP/In Mind remixes or Outside Your Room. I'd be glad
to tape off what I have, but to be honest, I still see these EPs for sale
all the time, as well as the 5EP/In Mind remixes.  I have all the albums,
and again, I see them for sale all the time.  Granted, I live in the US,
and frequently use mail order, but anyone who really wants slowdive stuff
can get most of it.  Heck, for enough of a commission, I'd gladly be the
middle man in procuring someone a slowdive collection.  There are some Rare
7"s, such as the ride tour split, which I recently saw for something like
US$45, and those are the kind of items that would make such a comp
difficult.  And to be sure, there is no way I am sending my Slowdive CDs to
someone else for compiling purposes. But I'll tape what I have.  As much as
I abhor them, a tape tree might be the only answer.

--gary

>> I agree with this and other messages like it!  I've found it so 
>> difficult, particularly with Slowdive fans (ironically), to just get some 
>> dubs of the rarer stuff.  I'm also on the Swervedriver list where within 
>> a week of someone suggesting it, a member had volunteered to compile a 
>> set of two 90 minute tapes containing every rare song and every b-side  
>> and hard to find 7" and other vinyl release Swervedriver had ever put 
>> out. I had my copy within a few week for the cost of postage and the 
>> tape cost to the person who recorded mine.  With everyone always talking 
>> about how inspiring and beautiful Slowdive's music is and how good art 
>> should be easier to come by, I'm surprised no one has mobilized something 
>> like this yet.  I'd do it, but I only have what's easy to find (Just For 
>> a Day, Souvlaki, and Morningrise e.p.).  I realize that it is illegal to 
>> sell stuf like that for a profit, but there must be some good will doers 
>> somewhere on this list.  Let's get together and get the great music of 
>> this wonderful band out!   cory

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:03:34 +0100
From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom)
Subject: Re: RIDE *were* Sire

>> there ever *really* was an actual controversy about its graphics, 
>> but if it had been released in the USA it probably would've had a 
>> fair chance of stirring-up a controversy.  The cover features a half 
>> nude approximately 14-year-old girl -- ala the old Blind Faith album 
>> cover -- but in this case she is sitting in a backwards chair facing 
>> the camera.  I don't think the photograph was meant to be pornographic, 
>> but undoubtedly someone would probably be offended by the sight of a 
>> young girl's breasts on a record cover. 

I simply think it's a great picture, beautiful in expression and
technically perfect. Black/white photography at it's best.

>  The photographer is some guy named Jock Sturges who also did
>  similar cover art for the Twisterella and Leave them All Behind
>  singles.

Small portfolio, incl. twisterella on:
http://www.artistguide.com/artists/sturges_jock-p.html

Does anyone know other sites with his pics? I like them!

> I don't remember if there was any controversy over 
> the artwork when these were released in '92. I'm sure Sturges
> came under fire for it when the photos were first unveiled. 

No kidding! Read about it in:
http://fileroom.aaup.uic.edu/FileRoom/documents/Cases/341sturges.html

Jan

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:48:26 -0600 (CST)
From: "jvan@bcm.tmc.edu" 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, ... wrote:

> I'm also on the Swervedriver list where within 
> a week of someone suggesting it, a member had volunteered to compile a 
> set of two 90 minute tapes containing every rare song and every b-side  
> and hard to find 7" and other vinyl release Swervedriver had ever put 
> out

Here are some loose ideas on what the compilation tape should have:

EPs:     Slowdive EP/Morningrise EP/Holding our Breath EP/
Outside Your Room EP/5 EP/In Mind Remixes/Some Velvet Morning/

Live:   Live in Oslo/Joy/Bleed/Silver Screen/
	Peel Sessions (?)

Demos:  Just for a Day demos
        Souvlaki demos (?)
	Pygmalion demos (?)
	

Did I leave anything out?  

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:21:32 -0500 (EST)
From: modulation 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

> Here are some loose ideas on what the compilation tape should have:
> 
> EPs:     Slowdive EP/Morningrise EP/Holding our Breath EP/
> Outside Your Room EP/5 EP/In Mind Remixes/Some Velvet Morning/
> 
> Live:   Live in Oslo/Joy/Bleed/Silver Screen/
> 	Peel Sessions (?)
> 
> Demos:  Just for a Day demos
>         Souvlaki demos (?)
> 	Pygmalion demos (?)

That would rule, and I would be very into helping anyway I can.

Later

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:51:35 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

just the flexi songs too.

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:31:12 -0600
From: "John N. Van" 
Subject: Blue Day question

I've got the Souvlaki/Blue Day 2CD, and I always wondered if the
regular Blue Day release had liner notes or cool band photos in
the sleeve. Was there a lyric sheet included? 

 John

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:03:57 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

At 09:32 1998-01-14 -0600, ... wrote:

> I agree with this and other messages like it!  I've found it so 
> difficult, particularly with Slowdive fans (ironically), to just get some 
> dubs of the rarer stuff.  I'm also on the Swervedriver list where within 
> a week of someone suggesting it, a member had volunteered to compile a 
> set of two 90 minute tapes containing every rare song and every b-side  
> and hard to find 7" and other vinyl release Swervedriver had ever put 
> out. I had my copy within a few week for the cost of postage and the 
> tape cost to the person who recorded mine.  With everyone always talking 
> about how inspiring and beautiful Slowdive's music is and how good art 
> should be easier to come by, I'm surprised no one has mobilized something 
> like this yet.  I'd do it, but I only have what's easy to find (Just For 
> a Day, Souvlaki, and Morningrise e.p.).  I realize that it is illegal to 
> sell stuf like that for a profit, but there must be some good will doers 
> somewhere on this list.  Let's get together and get the great music of 
> this wonderful band out!   cory

I agree that it is a great idea, and I would be happy to make a CD with
whatever songs are considered rare, but not if I didn't have permission
from the band. So what I suggest is that we contact the band (well,
Rachel is reading this so she knows about it) and ask what they think,
if it is okay for us to make a "fan base Slowdive compilation CD"
sort of, which will a) not be for sale, and b) only available to
the listies. I have no idea how many copies we would have to make,
but it'll probably be less than 200.

Now how does that sound?

 //Erik 

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:17:44 -0800
From: "Tim Warner" 
Subject: Re: Blue Day question

Nah...just song credits and an address for more information, which I'm sure
is far outdated.  Does the 2cd version have the cool artwork?

Tim

> I've got the Souvlaki/Blue Day 2CD, and I always wondered if the
> regular Blue Day release had liner notes or cool band photos in
> the sleeve. Was there a lyric sheet included? 
> 
> John

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