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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:52:11 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

Sounds good to me.
I could contribute a good quality version of bleed, silver screen, 
song1, and joy that was from a decent live recording.  Even the flexi 
songs that I have on tape.  
wade

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:07:47 +0200
From: Peter Peltonen 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

o_o_o wrote:


> can get most of it.  Heck, for enough of a commission, I'd gladly be the
> middle man in procuring someone a slowdive collection.  There are some Rare

I live in Finland and it is almost impossible for me to purchase any rare stuff
(I don't have a credit card so the net is not so good for me either).

So, if you can help me find these items, I'd be grateful:

Blue Day
Slowdive
Holding Our Breath
5ep

I have them on CD-R, (except 5ep) but the original stuff is always original.
For return, I can tape you 5ep (in mind remixes) and of course pay the cost
of those discs + shipment. If you want some pay for the effort that is okay
also.

Regards,

Peter
pisara@dystopia.fi

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:10:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Gage Crump 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

yes, the compilation CD would be great idea. i have access to a CDburner
but I don't have access to high quality originals and some of the rare
stuff (only very shitty tape copies of live at oslo and holding our
breath, I do have outside our room and 5ep plus blue day and all the
regular albums on CD, but these aren't that rare). but if someone burned
(i.e. erik i guess) a CD or two I could
then make a couple copies for other people who don't have access to A CD
burner, that way it wouldn't be so much work for one person and if
there were enough people with CD burners things could be passed on this 
way to eventually everyonge who wanted it... well, just an idea.
-gage

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:12:08 +0200
From: Peter Peltonen 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

Erik Soderstrom wrote:

> I agree that it is a great idea, and I would be happy to make a CD with
> whatever songs are considered rare, but not if I didn't have permission
> from the band. So what I suggest is that we contact the band (well,
> Rachel is reading this so she knows about it) and ask what they think,

Doesn't sound that good because we all know what Rachel thinks about
bootlegs. And it _is_ a bootleg if you make money with it or not. But we
can always try and put our faith in Erik's charm can't we? :)Peter

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:29:56 -0600
From: o_o_o 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

would you be able to proffer payment in US funds?
I think I can get the last two items, no problem.  Blue Day is unlikely,
and so is Slowdive aka the first EP. 
--gary

>> can get most of it.  Heck, for enough of a commission, I'd gladly be the
>> middle man in procuring someone a slowdive collection.  There are some Rare
>
> I live in Finland and it is almost impossible for me to purchase any rare
> stuff (I don't have a credit card so the net is not so good for me either).
> So, if you can help me find these items, I'd be grateful:
>
> Blue Day
> Slowdive
> Holding Our Breath
> 5ep
>
> I have them on CD-R, (except 5ep) but the original stuff is always original.
> For return, I can tape you 5ep (in mind remixes) and of course pay the cost
> of those discs + shipment. If you want some pay for the effort that is okay
> also.

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:58:54 -0600 (CST)
From: "B.Taylor" 
Subject: movietone anyone?

Hi-

I was wondering; what, if anything, does Movietone have out?  I own a 7"
of theirs that I think is self titled (I bought at least a year ago).
Does anyone know if they are still around, ect...?

adios-
b

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:52:39 EST
From: RJDemler 
Subject: Re:  rare music owners stingy!

Where can I find the Swervedriver list?

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:38:25 -0600 (CST)
From: "B.Taylor" 
Subject: Re: movietone anyone?

On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, jvan@bcm.tmc.edu wrote:

> I just bought a new-ish CD from them; came out a month or so ago.
> It's on Drag City here in the States so it should be easy to track down.
> I think it's got the song Useless Landscape on it, 
>  
> They have one prior album that came out in 1996.

hmmmm,  
that's so funny...  the only thing i've ever seen is that 7".  in fact, i
looked recently here in chicago (where i live).  since it's on drag city,
you'd think it would be everywhere around here.

thanks-
b

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:37:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Gage Crump 
Subject: Re: movietone anyone?

i have a movietone album on CD called "Day and Night" on Drag City. its
been out a month. it is great. i also think they have a self-titled album
that came out last year. anyone know anything about it. 
-gage

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:59:23 -0500
From: Chris Kushmider 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

fyi

> Live:   Live in Oslo/Joy/Bleed/Silver Screen/
>         Peel Sessions (?)

most peel session dubs are horrible.
 
> Demos:  Just for a Day demos
>         Souvlaki demos (?)
>         Pygmalion demos (?)

as far as i'm aware there ARE NO souvlaki or pygmalion demos circulating

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:53:03 EST
From: Lull45 
Subject: Re: Blue Day question

>> I've got the Souvlaki/Blue Day 2CD, and I always wondered if the
>> regular Blue Day release had liner notes or cool band photos in
>> the sleeve. Was there a lyric sheet included? 
>
> Nah...just song credits and an address for more information, which I'm sure
> is far outdated.  Does the 2cd version have the cool artwork?

The 2cd just has the cd itself...no artwork. And would anyone know of lyrics
for Pygmalion? That would be great...

Cheers

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:15:21 -0600 (CST)
From: "jvan@bcm.tmc.edu" 
Subject: Re: Blue Day question

Erik Soderstrom wrote: 
 
> Not with the one released in Scandinavia/Benelux at least, but I
> have heard of a Japanese version of it with the lyrics included.
> Someone on the 4AD list mentioned it ... umm, 2 years ago. Nedless
> to say I sent email to the guy asking for more information about
> it - but he never replied.

Are there any Japanese-speaking listies here? I always wondered what exactly
the Japanese sleevenotes to Pale Saints' Mrs. Dolphin CD were...

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:00:00 EST
From: Lull45 
Subject: Oslo

Hey I was wondering if anyone can make me a copy of the Oslo Bootleg...
Will pay $$$ or whatever...Cheers shoegazers...

Spaceboy1
 
Ps.  Anyone ever hear of Bowery Electric or Labradford? if not...you should
really check them out.

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:29:33 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

At 11:10 1998-01-14 -0800, Gage Crump wrote:

> yes, the compilation CD would be great idea. i have access to a CDburner
> but I don't have access to high quality originals and some of the rare
> stuff (only very shitty tape copies of live at oslo and holding our
> breath, I do have outside our room and 5ep plus blue day and all the
> regular albums on CD, but these aren't that rare).

I have or have access to all their records and hopefully most of the
songs played live but never included on any records in okay-good
condition, and the compilations they were included on (ie. "Some Velvet
Morning" which is the only song not included anywhere else) and the 
Just For a Day demos. The one thing I do not have (in good condition -
I have it on tape and it sounds horrible) is the flexi, but I'm told
the sound quality on it _is_ horrible, so the tape might actually
be as good as it gets?

So if the band give us their blessing, there will hopefully not be
any need for sending anything but the finished CD. Though of course
that depends on what's going to be on it. I'm sure there are songs
out there I don't have. There always are.

The questions are - a) is it okay with the band?
                    b) which tracks should be included (ie. which
                       ones are considered to be "rare" and
                       impossible to find?)

> but if someone burned (i.e. erik i guess) a CD or two I could
> then make a couple copies for other people who don't have access to A CD
> burner, that way it wouldn't be so much work for one person and if
> there were enough people with CD burners things could be passed on this 
> way to eventually everyonge who wanted it... well, just an idea.

That sounds like a good idea. I have access to one or two CD burners, but 
to make 200 copies would take months. But lets get the OK from the band
first.

 //Erik 

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:36:12 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

At 21:12 1998-01-14 +0200, Peter Peltonen wrote:

>> whatever songs are considered rare, but not if I didn't have permission
>> from the band. So what I suggest is that we contact the band (well,
>> Rachel is reading this so she knows about it) and ask what they think,
>
> Doesn't sound that good because we all know what Rachel thinks about
> bootlegs. And it _is_ a bootleg if you make money with it or not. But we
> can always try and put our faith in Erik's charm can't we? :)Peter

Ha ha! To tell you the truth, I haven't heard from Rachel for months -
I suppose it is a good sign as they're working on their new album, but
I wish at least 4AD would send out some "progress" reports once in a
while. Like telling us they're still alive and well. Or _something_.

But regarding bootlegs - this would hopefully not be a bootleg, but an
OK'd "fan club" release. There are loads of those things out there -
though I guess it isn't very usual when the band is no longer active?
Someone's got to be the first though, and why not Slowdive?

 //Erik 

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:33:21 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Blue Day question

John N. Van  wrote

> I've got the Souvlaki/Blue Day 2CD, and I always wondered if the
> regular Blue Day release had liner notes or cool band photos in
> the sleeve. Was there a lyric sheet included? 

Not with the one released in Scandinavia/Benelux at least, but I
have heard of a Japanese version of it with the lyrics included.
Someone on the 4AD list mentioned it ... umm, 2 years ago. Nedless
to say I sent email to the guy asking for more information about
it - but he never replied.

 //Erik 

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:03:50 -0600
From: "John N. Van" 
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

Erik Soderstrom wrote:

> That sounds like a good idea. I have access to one or two CD burners, but
> to make 200 copies would take months. But lets get the OK from the band
> first.

Maybe everyone with access to a CD burner can help out with the
burning. Since with digital transfer you theoretically get perfect
duplication, a CD-R copy should be just as good as the master. Sure
beats a tape tree!

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:45:55 -0800
From: Kage 
Subject: Re: Blue Day question

jvan@bcm.tmc.edu wrote:

> Erik Soderstrom wrote:
> 
> > Not with the one released in Scandinavia/Benelux at least, but I
> > have heard of a Japanese version of it with the lyrics included.
> > Someone on the 4AD list mentioned it ... umm, 2 years ago. Nedless
> > to say I sent email to the guy asking for more information about
> > it - but he never replied.
> 
>  Are there any Japanese-speaking listies here? I always wondered what exactly
>  the Japanese sleevenotes to Pale Saints' Mrs. Dolphin CD were...

I speak a little Japanese but I need a copy of it to try and translate
it. Greetings from Mikael, your swedish goth and shoegazerboy

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:34:01 +0000
From: Brian Burgher 
Subject: Re: movietone anyone?

that movietone self titled is great i own it it is on planet records and
i think it is out of print because i have not seen it in awhile

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:23:12 -0600
From: timethief@juno.com
Subject: Oslo offer to ...

Okay, here's the deal.  I have a good dub of the gig on cassette, and I
am willing to convert it to MP3 format (broken into separate tracks, of
course).  I'll try to tweak the EQ and reduce excess noise as best I can.
 If anyone out there has a lot of web space (roughly 35-40MB) on a
relatively fast server, I can email it to you (once completed ...
hopefully by the end of next week) and make it available to everyone for
download.  Yes, I'm well aware that MP3 degrades the quality slightly
(keeping in mind you purist out there ... like myself), but take in
consideration that once it's available in a digital format no additional
loss will occur.  If no one has the resources, I could also try to send
clusters of tracks at intervals or having clusters spread out on separate
servers so that the entire gig is available.

Although it's not necessary to give me anything in return, I'd really
appreciate a good copy of Joy, Bleed and Silver screen on MP3 (128kbs @
44.1 khz please).  I recall Rachel getting really irritated last year
when someone profitted over a CD-R of the EPs, but I think what I'm doing
will comply with her.  Since no money is involved, I doubt anyone would
have any objections.

If interested, mail me privately (don't wanna clutter the list).

Too much time on my hands,
Luis
timethief@juno.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:17:22 -0500
From: ndns@mindspring.com (Mark)
Subject: Re: rare music owners stingy!

>At 11:10 1998-01-14 -0800, Gage Crump wrote:
>
>> yes, the compilation CD would be great idea. i have access to a CDburner
>> but I don't have access to high quality originals and some of the rare
>> stuff (only very shitty tape copies of live at oslo and holding our
>> breath, I do have outside our room and 5ep plus blue day and all the
>> regular albums on CD, but these aren't that rare).
>
> I have or have access to all their records and hopefully most of the
> songs played live but never included on any records in okay-good
> condition, and the compilations they were included on (ie. "Some Velvet
> Morning" which is the only song not included anywhere else) and the
> Just For a Day demos. The one thing I do not have (in good condition -
> I have it on tape and it sounds horrible) is the flexi, but I'm told
> the sound quality on it _is_ horrible, so the tape might actually
> be as good as it gets?
>
> So if the band give us their blessing, there will hopefully not be
> any need for sending anything but the finished CD. Though of course
> that depends on what's going to be on it. I'm sure there are songs
> out there I don't have. There always are.
>
> The questions are - a) is it okay with the band?
>                     b) which tracks should be included (ie. which
>                        ones are considered to be "rare" and
>                        impossible to find?)
>
>> but if someone burned (i.e. erik i guess) a CD or two I could
>> then make a couple copies for other people who don't have access to A CD
>> burner, that way it wouldn't be so much work for one person and if
>> there were enough people with CD burners things could be passed on this
>> way to eventually everyonge who wanted it... well, just an idea.
>
> That sounds like a good idea. I have access to one or two CD burners, but
> to make 200 copies would take months. But lets get the OK from the band
> first.

I know this is a redundant hype, and maybe everyone doesn't agree (which
should be discussed thoroughly), but this listing crowd has reacted most
enthusiastically toward a communtity-minded creation. This expressed
positivity to me. The complications with the band, and the virgin burn cd
situation, proves to be obstacles, truly. However, now that the experienced
have persued, and the minnions have spoken, then *Slovedive- is it not
perhaps worth this individually limited, strenuously pursued effort at a
community treasure?* Also, will the elders decree cd or tape? I urge a
response discussion for a potential listing proposition to appeal to
Slowdive/whoever's in charge. We would choose listings, order, and live vs
studio out-takes, or any combination thereof. As posted previously, this
idea bears scrutiny, as could it affect us all, and potentially, be created
by us all. Thank you to everyone for patience and vision.

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