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Today's Topics:
	 Re: Ambient: Third Eye Foundation
	 Re: Main ->Loop
	 Re: Main ->Loop
	 Windy and Carl...
	 Main 6 cd box
	 Re: Flowchart /Darla Releases/Recommendations
	 Re: Darla address
	 Re: Main
	 Re: verve/nike
	 Re: verve/nike
	 vid boots & dubs of EP's
	 Re: verve/nike
	 Re: Main
	 Re: Main
	 VW ... commercials ... miscellany
	 Re: Main
	 f8j@onramp.net?
	 Re: Main
	 Re: Main
	 Re: VW ... commercials ... miscellany
	 Hello

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:23:39 +0000
From: Mitch 
Subject: Re: Ambient: Third Eye Foundation

At 05:30 AM 1/28/98 EST, you wrote:
> I agree with whoever listed Third Eye Foundation as a band to check out. They
> are incredibly organic, yet still acheive a Warp/Rephlex Records-like feel,
> with rhythms that sometimes parallel Seefeel and Aphex Twin.  

You should also check out Bowery Electric.  Layered guitars and breathy
vocals.  They have a 2-cd remix album out called Vertigo.  It has remixes
by Third Eye Foundation, Witchman, and others.  I got this about 2 weeks
ago, and it hasn't left my cd player since!!!

Cheers,
-Mitch

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:31:27 +0100
From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom)
Subject: Re: Main ->Loop

> I've heard some stuff by Main and thought it ultra dull. 
> Although, not ambient, Robert Hampson (the guy from Main) used to head a
> group called Loop

I heard they disbanded. Some of the guys formed a band called Hair &
Skin Trading CO. I never heard anything with them. Opinions?

> (which was quite excellent I might add) and their last cd
> has some pseudo ambient stuff on it.

Yeah, I got just one song, "Arc-Lite", by Loop on a compilation, but
it's great.

Like a goth/grind version of Spacemen 3. Aw, that was a bad analogy...
I would buy a full album by them if I got recommendations on which one
to look for. Any suggestions???

Jan

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:43:15 -0500
From: "avalyn1" 
Subject: Re: Main ->Loop

Look no longer - Firstly Hair and SKin Trading CO is pretty good. there
first disc is incredible. I haven't heard the third and the latest. My
favorite Loop disc is Fade Out. Get the version with the five bonus tracks.
These are particularily excellent with Mother sky and thief of fire. Their
last disc is pretty good to. Arc lite is excellent and their are more tracks
like it.

>> I've heard some stuff by Main and thought it ultra dull.
>> Although, not ambient, Robert Hampson (the guy from Main) used to head a
>> group called Loop
>
> I heard they disbanded. Some of the guys formed a band called Hair &
> Skin Trading CO. I never heard anything with them. Opinions?
>
>> (which was quite excellent I might add) and their last cd
>> has some pseudo ambient stuff on it.
>
> Yeah, I got just one song, "Arc-Lite", by Loop on a compilation, but
> it's great.
>
> Like a goth/grind version of Spacemen 3. Aw, that was a bad analogy...
> I would buy a full album by them if I got recommendations on which one
> to look for. Any suggestions???

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:58:14 PST
From: "dan smith" 
Subject: Windy and Carl...

Windy and Carl albums are actually pretty easy to get ahold of, try 
Parasol Records at www.indies.com or Vinyl Ink Records, the address of 
which escapes me at the moment, and Darla Records also stocks most of 
thier releases, once again, address unknown. "Portal" chronicles some of 
thier early tapes and hard to find songs, a good place to start.  
"Drawing of Sound" is also an excellent way to go.  As a point of 
inconsequence, Flowchart's new album "Cumulus Mood Twang" is highly 
recommended.  Dancey space-pop drone, way good.

Dan

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:16:32 -0500
From: brenden1@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Main 6 cd box

The Main 6 cd box is a reissue of all the original eps-
CORONA
TERMINUS
MASER
HALOFORM
KOAN
NEPER
I haven't actually seen the set up close, but I would say that unless
you are a collector then don't bother. The HZ two cd set has all the
same recordings for a lot less money.

B    R    E    N    D    E    N

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:42:32 -0800
From: voltron 
Subject: Re: Flowchart /Darla Releases/Recommendations

Gary Hendershot wrote:
 
>> someone said Flowchart. good recommendation.  they are great.
> =========================================================================
> 
> I'm partial only to their (Flowchart's) "Tenjira" CD on the
> Darla Records label, which is just one album in the infamous
> Darla "Bliss Out" series of CD releases.  The following are
> the Bliss Out Series releases of which a new volume is released
> about every month or so -- available at decent record stores for
> low $ £ ¥ ? monetary units:
> 
> American Analog Set -- "Late One Sunday And The Following Morning"
> Amp -- "Heart And Soul Dissolves"
> Amp -- "Perception"
> Flowchart -- "Tenjira"
> Füxa -- "Venoy"
> Mirza -- "Anadromus"
> Orange Cake Mix -- "Silver Lining Underwater"
> Tomorrowland -- "Stereoscopic Soundwaves"
> Transient Waves -- "Wading And Waiting"
> Windy & Carl -- "Antarctica"

And don't forget upcoming Bliss Out's:
Junior Varsity km -- "Taking Care of You"
Sweet Trip -- "Halica"
Coming out March 3rd, I *think* you guys will like.  ;)

Speaking of Darla releases, I would *have* to recommend Colorfilter to
y'all.  Darla co released this with Fuzzybox.  Very sweet, blissful
electronic pop, some MBV shoegazy sounds that I'm sure you guys would
love. Anyway here is the actual bit straight from Darla Records about
Color Filter.

COLOR FILTER   Sleep In A Synchrotron   Fuzzy Box   DRL-054   LP 8.00/CD 
10.00
LP Limited to 500

Color Filter is the bliss inducing, trance/drum & bass oriented, 
electronic pop creation of our man Ryuji in Tokyo. Ahi of INCENSE lends 
her coy and comforting vocal to four tracks. Suddenly, the new-for-'98, 
Kevin Sheilds school of drum & bass styled pop has come from all
corners. 
It is as unexpected as it is delightful: As heard on Little Darla Volume 
8, Sweet Trip, Junior Varsity km, Technicolor, Four Head and now Color 
Filter, all working indvidually, have begun to signify the coming of a 
new sound. It's a natural evolution combining sampling technology, dance 
beats and lovely pop melodies. This is Color Filter's debut full length. 
Previously, Color Filter has released a 12" on Black Bean and
contributed 
to the Space Voyage compilation, also on Black Bean, the Pop Jingu 
compilation on Sonorama and the Pop Machine compilation on Cowly Owl 
(France).

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:46:20 -0800
From: voltron 
Subject: Re: Darla address

dan smith wrote:

> which escapes me at the moment, and Darla Records also stocks most of
> thier releases, once again, address unknown. 

http://www.darla.com

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:19:03 EST
From: Primarygrl 
Subject: Re: Main

In a message dated 98-01-28 12:09:08 EST, you write:

<<
 what about the 6CD box?  I recently saw it, and wondered how good it was,
 if it was hard to find, and how much is a reasonable price for it?  Also,
 how much music is on it?
>>

Hmmm...  I have never seen it.  Does it say anywhere on the outside what year
the copyright is?  I wouldn't think that it would be limited edition, but ya
nevah know.  What was it priced?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:15:39 EST
From: Primarygrl 
Subject: Re: verve/nike

In a message dated 98-01-28 11:33:27 EST, you write:

<< Wouldn't you rather hear a cool song like Bittersweet Symphony 
  in a commercial than typical ad jingles?  >>

NOPE, I can honestly say that I would rather NOT hear good music like that on
TV commercials.  I can see where you're coming from, but I think it cheapens
the music, a bit.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:55:12 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: verve/nike

ALL I KNOW IS...............BURGER KIND RUINED SOME GREAT 
OLDIES SONGS......AND WHEN I HEAR MODERN ENGLISH, I 
THINK OF A JUICY BURGER.........THAT'S NOT RIGHT!

wade

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:17:41 -0600
From: formerly Glenn42 
Subject: vid boots & dubs of EP's

I've got vid boots of two Slowdive gigs
May 17th '92  Seattle @ Rock Candy
May 21st '94  Toronto @ Lee's Place
And am looking to trade dubs to get more!
(does anyone know the set lists of the above two?)
If you're interested and can help me make my collection bigger
e-mail me personally!  Thanks!

Oh, and is anyone willing to audio dub the following EP's for me?
(I'd be more than happy to supply the cassettes and cover postage)
"Morning Rise", "Blue Day", "Holding Our Breath", "Outside Your Room".
Thanks!

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:55:53 -0500 (EST)
From: butterfly mcqueen 
Subject: Re: verve/nike

> NOPE, I can honestly say that I would rather NOT hear good music like that on
> TV commercials.  I can see where you're coming from, but I think it cheapens
> the music, a bit.

for me it depends on how tasteful the commercial is.  like the volkswagon
that used lush's "sweetness and light" -- now *that* was nice use of a good
song.

; ed

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:27:43 -0800
From: Richard Henson 
Subject: Re: Main

The 6cd box set is the original version of the album Hertz.  It came out
as six seperate twenty minute singles that you had to collect (the sixth
one came with a box to hold all the others in).  It is limited edition
(though i'm not sure what it's limited to) and you should be able to get
the it for under forty dollars, though i would recommend buying the 2cd
version instead simply because it's a hell of a lot easier to listen to
(you don't have to change cd's every twenty minutes!).  It's a very good
album and i'd recommend it to anyone who's into experimental drone type
stuff.  All the sounds on the album (and all Main albums for that matter),
excluding sparse use of vocals and percussion, are created using only guitars.

><<
> what about the 6CD box?  I recently saw it, and wondered how good it was,
> if it was hard to find, and how much is a reasonable price for it?  Also,
> how much music is on it?
>>>
>
> Hmmm...  I have never seen it.  Does it say anywhere on the outside what year
> the copyright is?  I wouldn't think that it would be limited edition, but ya
> nevah know.  What was it priced?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:02:50 -0600
From: Brad Nicholson 
Subject: Re: Main

At 10:27 PM 1/28/98 -0800, you wrote:

> All the sounds on the album (and all Main albums for that matter),
> excluding sparse use of vocals and percussion, are created using only
> guitars.

For those of you intersted in guitar oriented ambient music, check out
Kranky band "Stars of The Lid".  They have three albums, "Music For Nitrous
Oxide", "Gravataional Pull Versus The Desire For Aquatic Life", and "The
Ballasted Orchestra".  They take the "run your guitar through 15 effects
pedals and a signal processor, and it doesn't matter what you play"
apporach to music.  

Also, in the non-guitar oriented ambient spectrum, check out Sonic Boom (as
well as Kevin Shield's, Eddie Provost's, andKevin Martin's) side project -
"Experimental Audio Research".  they're probably my favorite ambient outfit
of the last few years.  It's very electronic oriented stuff.  Mainly Sonic
messing around with his multitude of vintage noise makers.

brad

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:03:24 -0600
From: timethief@juno.com
Subject: VW ... commercials ... miscellany

On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:55:53 -0500 (EST) butterfly mcqueen
 writes:

> for me it depends on how tasteful the commercial is.  like the
> volkswagon that used lush's "sweetness and light" -- now *that* was
> nice use of a good song.

Just another little tidbit on the VW commercial, they also used clips
from Ivy, Moonpools & Caterpillars and Cranberries.  When I first saw
those commercials, they totally caught me off guard.  Likewise, I heard
Pale Saints' cover of Kinky Love during a Real World episode on MTV-US
(yeah, lemme alone already).  Or how about that Fruitopia commercial
using Cocteau Twins as background music (the official CT website uses the
clip at the intro page).

What's my point? blah blah blah

Oh yeah, the Oslo MP3 conversion is complete.  I'm still waiting for more
details on how to work this thing out.  Be patient ... they'll get out
there soon enough.

Luis
timethief@juno.com

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:07:00 -0800
From: Richard Henson 
Subject: Re: Main

Did you get to see them perform live on their last tour?  I saw them hear
in Atlanta.  I was just wondering what you thought of their live show (that
is, if you saw them).  Did you get to see Main and Bowery Electric?  

richard

At 10:02 PM 1/28/98 -0600, you wrote:

> Also, in the non-guitar oriented ambient spectrum, check out Sonic Boom (as
> well as Kevin Shield's, Eddie Provost's, andKevin Martin's) side project -
> "Experimental Audio Research".  they're probably my favorite ambient outfit
> of the last few years.  It's very electronic oriented stuff.  Mainly Sonic
> messing around with his multitude of vintage noise makers.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:20:21 -0600
From: formerly Glenn42 
Subject: f8j@onramp.net?

I just got a mail from this address
f8j@onramp.net
and when I clicked reply then sent the mail it returned to me saying
-------------
while talking to mailhost.onramp.net.:
RCPT To:
50 ... User unknown
-------------
So maybe this person has the return address set wrong in their mail program?
Either way, f8j, please write me from another address that I'll be able to
respond to.  Thanks!

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:24:52 -0600
From: Brad Nicholson 
Subject: Re: Main

Nope.

Not to many big bands come to central Canada where I live.  I did miss a
"Stars of the Lid" show a short drive away last summer, because it wasn't
publicized, and I didn't find out about it until after.

brad

At 11:07 PM 1/28/98 -0800, Richard Henson wrote:

> Did you get to see them perform live on their last tour?  I saw them hear
> in Atlanta.  I was just wondering what you thought of their live show (that
> is, if you saw them).  Did you get to see Main and Bowery Electric?  

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:28:46 -0800
From: Richard Henson 
Subject: Re: Main

I'm not sure if i'd call any of these bands "big" but too bad.  You missed
(in my opinion anyway) some really great shows.  And that Spectrum show had
to have been a once in a lifetime chance.  He didn't look to great (Sonic
Boom).  He'll probably overdose on heroin before the next tour :( .

At 10:24 PM 1/28/98 -0600, you wrote:

> Nope.
>
> Not to many big bands come to central Canada where I live.  I did miss a
> "Stars of the Lid" show a short drive away last summer, because it wasn't
> publicized, and I didn't find out about it until after.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:32:48 -0700 (MST)
From: michael maes 
Subject: Re: VW ... commercials ... miscellany

speaking of the Pale Saints... Has anyone heard of a new release? Or
Spoonfed hybrid?

Kinky Love ....what a great song!  

> Just another little tidbit on the VW commercial, they also used clips
> from Ivy, Moonpools & Caterpillars and Cranberries.  When I first saw
> those commercials, they totally caught me off guard.  Likewise, I heard
> Pale Saints' cover of Kinky Love during a Real World episode on MTV-US
> (yeah, lemme alone already).  Or how about that Fruitopia commercial
> using Cocteau Twins as background music (the official CT website uses the
> clip at the intro page).
>
> What's my point? blah blah blah
>
> Oh yeah, the Oslo MP3 conversion is complete.  I'm still waiting for more
> details on how to work this thing out.  Be patient ... they'll get out
> there soon enough.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:43:55 PST
From: "Andy Kellman" 
Subject: Hello

I somehow stumbled upon the digest site for this mailing list and was 
impressed with the content of the posts.  Being a pretty big fan, I 
decided I ought to join up.

I noticed on one of the old posts regarding music and commercials that 
Tortoise is used by someone.  What commercial and what song?

Also, someone listed the releases from Darla's "Bliss Out" series.  
Assuming you (the person who posted) have them all, which ones do you 
suggest?  I do the buying for a record shop and have them in the bins 
but have yet to check them out.  Plus, I'm always short on money as I've 
always got hundreds of records to buy.

Lastly-  has anyone heard of Monaural?  I don't think they're around 
anymore, but they were a Michigan band that put out a really great 12".  
They sounded a bit like Bark Psychosis, Verve, and Slowdive fused 
together with their own bits.

Hellllllo and take care!

-Andy

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