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Today's Topics:
	 Re: Drop Nineteens
	 Re: Anakin rant
	 Re: Anakin rant
	 Magnetic Fields
	 Re: Magnetic Fields
	 Re: Anakin rant
	 Re: looking for a copy of blueday.
	 Re: Anakin rant
	 Re: looking for a copy of blueday.
	 Re: Magnetic Fields
	 Re: Anakin rant
	 Re: looking for a copy of blueday.
	 Re: Anakin rant
	 Re: Anakin rant
	 Re: Magnetic Fields
	 Re: Anakin rant
	 Re: Anakin rant
	 The Church  (was: Anakin rant)
	 Re: Drop Nineteens
	 blind mr. jones (wasRe: Drop Nineteens)
	 Blind Mr. Jones (was: Re: Drop Nineteens)
	 Re: Blind Mr. Jones (was: Re: Drop Nineteens)

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:23:31 -0800
From: mmoreno@ucla.edu (JJ Moreno)
Subject: Re: Drop Nineteens

At 11:23 AM 2/25/98 -0500, avalyn@lysator.liu.se wrote:

>I just received a tape from a friend yesterday of demos from the Drop
>Nineteens, and I have to say....what the hell was this band thinking by
>not releasing this stuff?? There's well over a dozen songs on the tape,
>none of which are on the albums, and they are the most shoegazing stuff
>I've ever heard out of an American band. VERY Slowdive-esque, and ultra
>fucking dreamy. 
>	But I was just wondering - did anyone see them way back in the day
>when they were doing this stuff, before any albums? I'm wondering if they
>had pulled it off live, ifthey had the same lineup, etc.
>	

Only time I saw them on tour was w/ Revolver. Didn't sound very Slowdivish
but they definately were trying to coax a Sonic Youth/MBV sound. 
The two guitarists did 5 minutes of white noise in the middle of their set
as the rest of the band watched from offstage. Their first Lp didn't seem to
do justice to the kind of maelstrom these guys could produce live w/ 3 guitars;
they're just mixed way too low to even compare. 

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:24:59 -0600
From: erik 
Subject: Re: Anakin rant

Has any one here listened to Leonard Cohen's first album "Songs of Leornard
Cohen"?  I'm almost positive that this is the album that prompted Neil to do
away with the "wall of sound" approach.  I think they progressed as a band
very nicely.  A true muscical genius will never do the same thing twice.
What more is there to say?
                        erik wofford

At 12:44 AM 2/25/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I listened to Anakin at the Virgin Megastore the
>other day.
>
>As for the Mojave song, its definately Dylanesque -
>Neil's voice is even subtly inflected with a Dylan
>accent. The chords aren't bad though. 
>
>Can someone explain this to me (maybe someone who is
>touch with the band) - why they went from being so
>innovative, devastatingly sublime to becoming a
>classic rock tribute band? Is it some sort of "safe"
>effort to make a living at music or some misguided
>instinct?
> 
>I listened to Souvlaki & BlueDay again tonight (I was
>in a mood to drown). The overdubs, tunings,
>treatments, mixing, harmonies, dissonances are so
>rich and maverick its got to be one of the most
>important records of the decade for "pop/rock/alt" or
>whatever category you would fit the sound into.
>
>It's unfair to compare but I doubt Mojave will affect
>us in the same way...

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:47:29 EST
From: Despair603@aol.com
Subject: Re: Anakin rant

In a message dated 98-02-25 22:31:04 EST, erikwofford@mail.utexas.edu writes:

<< Has any one here listened to Leonard Cohen's first album "Songs of Leornard
 Cohen"?  I'm almost positive that this is the album that prompted Neil to do
 away with the "wall of sound" approach.  I think they progressed as a band
 very nicely.  A true muscical genius will never do the same thing twice.
 What more is there to say? >>

Leonard Cohen`s early stuff is excellent. 
I also think that Mojave 3 is an excellent band, albeit it`s not Slowdive but
you can`t keep on doing the same thing forever even though I`m sure I would
have liked it just as much.

Craig

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:48:55 EST
From: Despair603@aol.com
Subject: Magnetic Fields

I was just curious If anyone on this list in the NYC area is going to see The
Magnetic Fields play at The Mercury Lounge on Saturday night?

craig

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:17:48 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: Magnetic Fields

magnetic fields, I'm going!!
Too bad they're the only bad I'm looking forward to seeing that 
night.
The Push Kings :(....... forget it!

wade

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:20:23 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: Anakin rant

Leonard Cohen's I'm Your Man is a great album as well...

But I think if you say Leonard had some influence on Neil, then you 
might have to also include the Church.

Craig, where were you last Wednesday night when Splinterworld played 
at the Continental???

wade

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:55:56 -0700
From: aaron 
Subject: Re: looking for a copy of blueday.

avalyn1 wrote:

> >>PLENTY of people on this list would tape all of the old songs for
> >>anyone who asked.
> WRONG, I tried this a year ago. Got lots of 'why don't you buy the singles
> yourself'. Many people on this list are completely selfish assholes. Not to
> say I've made a billion recordings for free either. I have made cdrs of the
> stuff for a few people without charging (whenever I had a LOT or free time).

Well I know that I've done before, maybe a year ago or maybe two years
ago. I could dig up the list of people if you'd like.

> >>I for one would be happy to copy them all (plus stuff that
> >>mr. stack has never even heard) for anyone who wants it if it would
> >>stop you from buying the CDRs from him.
> Oh yeah, well use me as a test case. I don't sell, just trade. As you can
> see from this and former posts I'm a Slowdive fan so I would love to hear
> this stuff.

if you or anybody else wants a tape, email me privately (as three other
people have) and i'll give you my address.

> (whole) cd set. The Souvlaki with 'bonus' Blue day was even more obnoxiously
> charged.

got mine for $23 first week of release.

aaron

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:27:57 -0600 (CST)
From: "..." <1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu>
Subject: Re: Anakin rant

Haven't heard the album you mentioned, but I still don't care for the 
progression.  It seems like anyone could do what they do now, even 
though they do it very well.  There will never be another Slowdive...


On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, erik wrote:
> Has any one here listened to Leonard Cohen's first album "Songs of Leornard
> Cohen"?  I'm almost positive that this is the album that prompted Neil to do
> away with the "wall of sound" approach.  I think they progressed as a band
> very nicely.  A true muscical genius will never do the same thing twice.
> What more is there to say?
>                         erik wofford
> 
> At 12:44 AM 2/25/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >I listened to Anakin at the Virgin Megastore the
> >other day.
> >
> >As for the Mojave song, its definately Dylanesque -
> >Neil's voice is even subtly inflected with a Dylan
> >accent. The chords aren't bad though. 
> >
> >Can someone explain this to me (maybe someone who is
> >touch with the band) - why they went from being so
> >innovative, devastatingly sublime to becoming a
> >classic rock tribute band? Is it some sort of "safe"
> >effort to make a living at music or some misguided
> >instinct?
> > 
> >I listened to Souvlaki & BlueDay again tonight (I was
> >in a mood to drown). The overdubs, tunings,
> >treatments, mixing, harmonies, dissonances are so
> >rich and maverick its got to be one of the most
> >important records of the decade for "pop/rock/alt" or
> >whatever category you would fit the sound into.
> >
> >It's unfair to compare but I doubt Mojave will affect
> >us in the same way...

	cory
	1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:23:09 -0500
From: "avalyn1" 
Subject: Re: looking for a copy of blueday.

Aaron: :
>
>> >>PLENTY of people on this list would tape all of the old songs for
>> >>anyone who asked.


>> WRONG, I tried this a year ago. Got lots of 'why don't you buy the
singles
>> yourself'. Many people on this list are completely selfish assholes. Not
to
>> say I've made a billion recordings for free either. I have made cdrs of
the
>> stuff for a few people without charging (whenever I had a LOT or free
time).
>
>Well I know that I've done before, maybe a year ago or maybe two years
>ago. I could dig up the list of people if you'd like.


No need I believe you. I wish that I had contacted you originally. As I have
done so also in the past. I feel guilty not offering some of this stuff more
often. Frankly, I'm thinking about mpeging this stuff and putting on my
server (home computer) along with rare stuff by the Chameleons, Lush,
Smiths, Cure ect... Anyone have any thoughts desires, disdain? I know you
have something to say Erik. I'm not trying to be offensive I really like to
read stuff you put up (usually good info - btw anymore info on the Slowdive
boxset?)


>> >>I for one would be happy to copy them all (plus stuff that
>> >>mr. stack has never even heard) for anyone who wants it if it would
>> >>stop you from buying the CDRs from him.
>> Oh yeah, well use me as a test case. I don't sell, just trade. As you can
>> see from this and former posts I'm a Slowdive fan so I would love to hear
>> this stuff.
>
>if you or anybody else wants a tape, email me privately (as three other
>people have) and i'll give you my address.

Thanks for the offer I appreciate it. Will definety email you privately.


>> (whole) cd set. The Souvlaki with 'bonus' Blue day was even more
obnoxiously
>> charged.
>
>got mine for $23 first week of release.


good deal! Mine unfortunately was quite a bit more.
>aaron
>

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:05:20 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Magnetic Fields

At 09:17 1998-02-26 +0000, wade@tapehouse.com wrote:

> magnetic fields, I'm going!! Too bad they're the only bad I'm looking
forward 
> to seeing that night. The Push Kings :(....... forget it!

I agree - Push Kings have received a lot of attention here in Sweden lately
(they have released one or two 7" singles on a Stockholm label - and were
featured on the front page of the magazine I'm writing for "Sound Affects"
last summer) - they're too Beatles-esque to be worth mentioning. Magnetic
Fields on the other hand...

 //Erik 

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:14:34 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Anakin rant

At 09:27 1998-02-26 -0600, ... wrote:

> Haven't heard the album you mentioned, but I still don't care for the 
> progression.  It seems like anyone could do what they do now, even 
> though they do it very well.  There will never be another Slowdive...

No, probably not - but from the stuff I have heard with Bowery Electric
they're pretty close. And Estonian band Bizarre did catch the Slowdive
sound back in 1992-1993 (though not these days unfortunately).

 //Erik 

P.S And Donkey is pretty amazing too - here and there D.S.

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:19:02 +0100
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: looking for a copy of blueday.

At 11:23 1998-02-26 -0500, avalyn1 wrote:

> No need I believe you. I wish that I had contacted you originally. As I have
> done so also in the past. I feel guilty not offering some of this stuff more
> often. Frankly, I'm thinking about mpeging this stuff and putting on my
> server (home computer) along with rare stuff by the Chameleons, Lush,
> Smiths, Cure ect... Anyone have any thoughts desires, disdain? I know you
> have something to say Erik. I'm not trying to be offensive I really like to
> read stuff you put up (usually good info - btw anymore info on the Slowdive
> boxset?)

No worries at all - I'm also thinking of putting a lot of songs online,
though not the released stuff but the never released/live ones. I'm
all for spreading Slowdive to the world, though I'm still hoping our
beloved friends in the band would get something in return for their
effort and what they have done for us. I'll come up with something
though...

 //Erik 

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:10:15 +0200
From: Siim Kalder 
Subject: Re: Anakin rant

At 22:14 26.02.98 +0100, Erik wrote:
>At 09:27 1998-02-26 -0600, ... wrote:
>
>> Haven't heard the album you mentioned, but I still don't care for the 
>> progression.  It seems like anyone could do what they do now, even 
>> though they do it very well.  There will never be another Slowdive...
>
>No, probably not - but from the stuff I have heard with Bowery Electric
>they're pretty close. And Estonian band Bizarre did catch the Slowdive
>sound back in 1992-1993 (though not these days unfortunately).

Yeah, I simply must mention here that Bizarre's "Beautica" that came out in
1994 was my first experience of music of this kind -  I had hardly ever
heard of Slowdive back then. Beautica is indeed quite close, and at the
same time original enough. I don't know how many people on the list are
familiar with Bizarre, but for all those not, don't forget to check out the
homepage at http://www.halo.ee/bizarre I believe there are some samples of
their earlier sound as well.

Siim K.
___________
siimk@ut.ee

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:12:36 EST
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: Anakin rant

im sorry i dont think neil is infuenced by the church
the church never put much thought into their work

i remember thom yorke of radiohead saying that he could never be as lazy a the
lead singer from church just writing a song in 5 mins
i think neil puts some thought into what he does just like cohen

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:01:50 EST
From: Despair603 
Subject: Re: Magnetic Fields

In a message dated 98-02-26 09:13:01 EST, wade@tapehouse.com writes:

<< magnetic fields, I'm going!!
 Too bad they're the only bad I'm looking forward to seeing that 
 night.
 The Push Kings :(....... forget it! >>
 
Yeah, I`ve never even heard of the other bands that are playing. Oh well.

craig

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:24:46 +0200 (EET)
From: Peter Peltonen 
Subject: Re: Anakin rant

On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Catchbreez wrote:

> im sorry i dont think neil is infuenced by the church
> the church never put much thought into their work
> 
> i remember thom yorke of radiohead saying that he could never be as lazy a the
> lead singer from church just writing a song in 5 mins
> i think neil puts some thought into what he does just like cohen


Hmm... A song's lyrics' "value" equals to the time that was 
used for writing it? I'd disagree with that one. I think 
Church has some brilliant lyrics on their album 'Priest =
Aura'. It's nothing like Slowdive, but I still would give
some credit for their music..

Peter

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:10:17 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: Anakin rant

DUH....I wasn't talking about the church's writing, I was talking 
about the L. Cohen/Church, bassier vocals!

alright?

wade

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:51:03 -0600 (CST)
From: "..." <1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu>
Subject: The Church  (was: Anakin rant)

how can anyone say that about the Church?  For supposedly being written in 
five minutes, Under The Milky Way and Metropolis are some of the best 
things to ever come out of the eighties!


On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Catchbreez wrote:
> im sorry i dont think neil is infuenced by the church
> the church never put much thought into their work
> 
> i remember thom yorke of radiohead saying that he could never be as lazy a the
> lead singer from church just writing a song in 5 mins
> i think neil puts some thought into what he does just like cohen

	cory
	1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:51:37 -0700 (MST)
From: michael maes 
Subject: Re: Drop Nineteens

What a disappointment this band was. They were supposed to be the American
answer to Slowdive. I heard one of their EP's and thought "wow this is
great" Bought their first album and said "what the hell happened" A mystery
to me.

Anyone like BLIND MR JONES?

Some of their early stuff is very good




 At 11:23 AM 2/25/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I just received a tape from a friend yesterday of demos from the Drop
>Nineteens, and I have to say....what the hell was this band thinking by
>not releasing this stuff?? There's well over a dozen songs on the tape,
>none of which are on the albums, and they are the most shoegazing stuff
>I've ever heard out of an American band. VERY Slowdive-esque, and ultra
>fucking dreamy. Sooooooo good! I would release this stuff in a heartbeat,
>and I don't get why they didn't do so! Crazy. 
>	But I was just wondering - did anyone see them way back in the day
>when they were doing this stuff, before any albums? I'm wondering if they
>had pulled it off live, ifthey had the same lineup, etc.
>	And no, I don't want to trade a copy of this for your shitty
>bootlegs, so don't ask! :)
>
>Daniel

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:37:35 -0500 (EST)
From: butterfly mcqueen 
Subject: blind mr. jones (wasRe: Drop Nineteens)

>Anyone like BLIND MR JONES?
>
>Some of their early stuff is very good

oh totally.  their album _Stereo musicale_ is totally ride meets slowdive.
with flute.  highly recommended (and oop).

; ed

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:07:58 -0800
From: Mitch Bacigalupi 
Subject: Blind Mr. Jones (was: Re: Drop Nineteens)

>Anyone like BLIND MR JONES?
>
>Some of their early stuff is very good


I loved Blind Mr. Jones!  (If people didn't know, one of their early
singles was produced by our very own Neil!)

The first album "Stereo Musicale" was very, very good, but the second album
"tatooine" wasn't too great.

Does anyone know what happened to them?

Cheers,
-Mitch

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:16:03 -0700 (MST)
From: michael maes 
Subject: Re: Blind Mr. Jones (was: Re: Drop Nineteens)

The last that I heard is that most of the band is going to various schools
and that once in a while they get together to record music


At 07:07 PM 2/27/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>Anyone like BLIND MR JONES?
>>
>>Some of their early stuff is very good
>
>
>I loved Blind Mr. Jones!  (If people didn't know, one of their early
>singles was produced by our very own Neil!)
>
>The first album "Stereo Musicale" was very, very good, but the second album
>"tatooine" wasn't too great.
>
>Does anyone know what happened to them?
>
>Cheers,
>-Mitch

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