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	 RE: colorwall@juno.com: Y107 in Los Angeles
	 NeGaTiVe BuRn playlist for April 3, 1998.
	 RE: (defining Shoegaze) colorwall@juno.com: Y107 in Los Angeles
	 re: new windy & carl
	 shoegaze: i say we keep it
	 Re: windy & carl
	 RE: (defining Shoegaze) colorwall@juno.com: Y107 in Los Angeles
	 Re: shoegaze: i say we keep it
	 CURVE POSTERS
	 Re: colorwall@juno.com: Y107 in Los Angeles
	 Re: colorwall@juno.com: Y107 in Los Angeles
	 Re: CURVE POSTERS
	 Re: monorail vs. monaural

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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:14:50 -0600
From: travis salisbury 
Subject: RE: colorwall@juno.com: Y107 in Los Angeles

-----Original Message-----
From:	michael maes [SMTP:xymox@mail.aros.net]

I don't feel that I can tell them what type of music that I listen to. I
tell them that I listen to a more ethereal, avant garde style.

I always have them listen to it and let them attach a term..

I give them names....there is no way else to describe the music. Especially
Slowdive... No one believes me when I tell them that the music they are
listening to is generate through the use of guitars...etc

You said it!
 I think 'Ethereal' is a more accurate word to describe the style.

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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 19:35:29 -0500
From: "Jason A. Paris" 
Subject: NeGaTiVe BuRn playlist for April 3, 1998.

STATIK SOUND SYSTEM - "Jack"  (Cup of Tea)
WINDY & CARL - "Sirens"  (Kranky)
BUFFALO DAUGHTER - "Hold 'em Joe"  (Grand Royal)
BERNARD BUTLER - "Not Alone"  (Creation)
SWERVEDRIVER - "You've Sealed My Fate"  (Zero Hour)
YO LA TANGO - "By The Time It Gets Dark"  (Matador)
SLOWGUN - "Pit Bull"  (Skull Geek)
SLOWDIVE - "Celia's Dream"  (Creation)
SPECTRUM - "True Love Will Find You In The End" [alternate]  (SFTRI)
FLOWCHART - "Icicles & Clipboards"  (Carrot Top)
UILAB - "Impulse Rah!"  (Bingo/Duophonic)
TORTOISE - "A Simple Way To Go Faster"  (Thrill Jockey)
FREAKWATER - "Washed In The Blood"  (Thrill Jockey)
PAN AMERICAN - "Aquatica"  (Kranky)
THE HIGH LLAMAS - "Bouncy Glimmer"  (Alpaca)
MONO - "Slimcea Girl"  (Mercury)
PROPERLLERHEADS - "Better?"  (Dream Works)
BENTLEY RHYTHM ACE - "Whoosh"  (Skint)
PILGRIMAGE - "Path To The Invisible"  (Point)

~NeGaTiVe BuRn can be heard each and every Thursday evening and Friday
morning between the hours of 12 midnight and 2:00am on York University's
CHRY 105.5 FM.  It is co-hosted and produced by W.H. Park & Jason Paris.

For those of you reading this from the AVALYN, DRONE-ON or PURE-IMPURE
mailing lists, I apologise for the Toronto-centric post, but I wanted to
let Toronto list members know about this programme.  Consider this a
one-off thing and won't be a weekly posting.  Thanks for understanding.
:)

Jason Paris
NeGaTiVe BuRn -- early Friday mornings -- Midnight till 2:00am on CHRY
105.5FM

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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:33:43 -0800 (PST)
From: midglider 
Subject: RE: (defining Shoegaze) colorwall@juno.com: Y107 in Los Angeles

Since everyone is at it, here's my 2 cents!

Shoegazing is more than just a style of music: It is
a sensibility, a brief and obscure cultural flash in
the pan, a temperament towards playing music (little
attention to stage presence or staging, or
testosterone laden "rock" posturing), all anchored by
use of effected guitars (towards the reverbed,
chorused, delay area), unique approach to vocals
(voice as another textured instrument). Mood and
atmosphere are stronger elements than lyrics or
singer/songwriter personality. 

IMHO, the shoegazer movement is neat because it is
the bridge between pop and ambient and the last
progressive moment in rock/pop (before all went
unabashedly retro [Oasis - what kinda crap is that!])
and maybe the last moment in the modern romantic pop
tradition (as began by cure, joy division, etc...).

- 


---travis salisbury  wrote:
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	michael maes [SMTP:xymox@mail.aros.net]
> 
> I don't feel that I can tell them what type of music that I listen to. I
> tell them that I listen to a more ethereal, avant garde style.
> 
> I always have them listen to it and let them attach a term..
> 
> I give them names....there is no way else to describe the music. Especially
> Slowdive... No one believes me when I tell them that the music they are
> listening to is generate through the use of guitars...etc
> 
> You said it!
>  I think 'Ethereal' is a more accurate word to describe the style.

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 98 02:07:32 UT
From: "Lisa Johnson" 
Subject: re: new windy & carl

Having given the new Windy & Carl/Kranky release "Depths" a cursory listen, it 
does in fact abandon the more structured sonic territory explored on their 
wondrous "Drawings of Sound" for more of a subdued/droning approach akin to 
their Darla Bliss Out "Antarctica" (albeit with shorter songs).  Not nearly as 
adventurous as "Portal", and without the sublime melodies of "Drawings of 
Sound", it comes as a bit of a letdown... being their Kranky debut and all.  
That said, the final track has to be the best thing they've done in years, 
with a gorgeous guitar melody and Windy's vocals floating high in the mix... 
classic!

Looking forward to seeing them again at Terrastock in two weeks!
Gary

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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 21:59:34 PST
From: "Pearson Greer" 
Subject: shoegaze: i say we keep it

personally...i like the term shoegaze. i'm not sure who made the point 
that when you use the term "shoegaze", people (at least musical 
non-mouthbreathers) know what it means, but i agree. its much better 
than throwing out a long string of "ethereal, atmospheric, ephemeral, 
evanescent, sound of angels makin' sweet love , eternal bliss..." words- 
usually when you do that, the person you're talking to just says "oh. so 
its shoegaze" ( or if they're really thick, like around where i live- 
they say "oh. so its that trippy sahk-ah-delic space rawk" 
personally, i like to revel in the overall muso geekyness of the word, a 
genre that unabashedly embraces effect pedals, i love it :) as a 
musician (who should probably know better than to say something so 
ridiculous) i just love the sight of all my little boxes on the floor
with their little red LEDs, its one of the closest things to a kid-at- 
Christmas-with-new-toys feeling i have in my advanced age.
so i'll say it once, and say it under my breath, i'm shoegaze and i'm 
proud. cheers.

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 01:28:57 EST
From: Binoche21 
Subject: Re: windy & carl

could someone give a complete windy & carl discography? i have drawing of
sound and antarctica and i just got the split 7 with silver apples this week.
i would love to find some more of their 7"s or eps.

steven

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:40:17 -0600 (MDT)
From: michael maes 
Subject: RE: (defining Shoegaze) colorwall@juno.com: Y107 in Los Angeles

here is your change.....1 cent

nice call!


At 05:33 PM 4/4/98 -0800, you wrote:
> Since everyone is at it, here's my 2 cents!
>
> Shoegazing is more than just a style of music: It is
> a sensibility, a brief and obscure cultural flash in
> the pan, a temperament towards playing music (little
> attention to stage presence or staging, or
> testosterone laden "rock" posturing), all anchored by
> use of effected guitars (towards the reverbed,
> chorused, delay area), unique approach to vocals
> (voice as another textured instrument). Mood and
> atmosphere are stronger elements than lyrics or
> singer/songwriter personality. 
>
> IMHO, the shoegazer movement is neat because it is
> the bridge between pop and ambient and the last
> progressive moment in rock/pop (before all went
> unabashedly retro [Oasis - what kinda crap is that!])
> and maybe the last moment in the modern romantic pop
> tradition (as began by cure, joy division, etc...).
>
>- 
>
>
>---travis salisbury  wrote:
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:	michael maes [SMTP:xymox@mail.aros.net]
>> 
>> I don't feel that I can tell them what type of music that I listen to. I
>> tell them that I listen to a more ethereal, avant garde style.
>> 
>> I always have them listen to it and let them attach a term..
>> 
>> I give them names....there is no way else to describe the music. Especially
>> Slowdive... No one believes me when I tell them that the music they are
>> listening to is generate through the use of guitars...etc
>> 
>> You said it!
>>  I think 'Ethereal' is a more accurate word to describe the style.

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:43:59 -0600 (MDT)
From: michael maes 
Subject: Re: shoegaze: i say we keep it

Well, whatever we want to call it, I for one certainly appreciated and
thoroughly enjoyed listening to Slowdive who took a necessary step in music
progressing and embracing technology while maintaining "classic"
compositions and melodies.

Let's hope that that kind of musical experimentation cycles itself around
again. 

At 09:59 PM 4/4/98 PST, you wrote:
> personally...i like the term shoegaze. i'm not sure who made the point 
> that when you use the term "shoegaze", people (at least musical 
> non-mouthbreathers) know what it means, but i agree. its much better 
> than throwing out a long string of "ethereal, atmospheric, ephemeral, 
> evanescent, sound of angels makin' sweet love , eternal bliss..." words- 
> usually when you do that, the person you're talking to just says "oh. so 
> its shoegaze" ( or if they're really thick, like around where i live- 
> they say "oh. so its that trippy sahk-ah-delic space rawk" 
> personally, i like to revel in the overall muso geekyness of the word, a 
> genre that unabashedly embraces effect pedals, i love it :) as a 
> musician (who should probably know better than to say something so 
> ridiculous) i just love the sight of all my little boxes on the floor
> with their little red LEDs, its one of the closest things to a kid-at- 
> Christmas-with-new-toys feeling i have in my advanced age.
> so i'll say it once, and say it under my breath, i'm shoegaze and i'm 
> proud. cheers.

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:16:22 EDT
From: Moonstar9 
Subject: CURVE POSTERS

Hi all,
    I've got some posters from the new curve album that i want to unload.
they are double sided and are about 3 feet long and 1 foot high.  Email me if
interested.
   Thanks, Jared

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:38:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gage Crump 
Subject: Re: colorwall@juno.com: Y107 in Los Angeles

On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, michael maes wrote:

> i hear you.. I have followed Slowdive, MBV etc from their very first
> releases. So I understand the fundamental point. Some people take "marking"
> music with terms ( aka new wave, etc) a bit too far. I am more a purist.> 

I'm actually more curious than mocking, but ... have you really followed
MBV since their "very first releases"? In 1984 you were scooping up "This
Is Your Bloody Valentine" as it hit the shelves, and then "geek" and
"sunny sundae smile" and then you were impressed by the drastic change of
sound on "ecstasy" and "strawberry wine". Or did you start following them
with "you made me realise" and "feed me with your kiss"? I've often
wondered if their is anyone in the world who actually followed MBV from
the very beginning. They were such a different band back them. Again, I
really am more curious than anything. 

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:38:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: michael maes 
Subject: Re: colorwall@juno.com: Y107 in Los Angeles

I wouldn't say that I was the first to listen to their very first release,
but soon thereafter. As for Slowdive,,,absolutely....When their first ep was
released, I had heard alot about them in the Indie MAgs, but when I heard it
for the first time, I was instantly hooked.

J and M chain's first releases, "psycocandy" I believe would be considered
"noise" that Slowdive took to another level

At 03:38 PM 4/5/98 -0700, you wrote:
>On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, michael maes wrote:
>
>> i hear you.. I have followed Slowdive, MBV etc from their very first
>> releases. So I understand the fundamental point. Some people take "marking"
>> music with terms ( aka new wave, etc) a bit too far. I am more a purist.> 
>
> I'm actually more curious than mocking, but ... have you really followed
> MBV since their "very first releases"? In 1984 you were scooping up "This
> Is Your Bloody Valentine" as it hit the shelves, and then "geek" and
> "sunny sundae smile" and then you were impressed by the drastic change of
> sound on "ecstasy" and "strawberry wine". Or did you start following them
> with "you made me realise" and "feed me with your kiss"? I've often
> wondered if their is anyone in the world who actually followed MBV from
> the very beginning. They were such a different band back them. Again, I
> really am more curious than anything. 

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 00:27:02 PDT
From: "michaelnicki barrett" 
Subject: Re: CURVE POSTERS

Hi
I'm interested fill me in.
Thanks
Michael

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:00:50 +0100
From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
Subject: Re: monorail vs. monaural

| This in reference to the Michigan bad Monorail which has been mentioned on
| this list a few times now...
|
| Unless someone has information to the contrary, I'm convinced the band in
| question is actually Monaural, who have an excellent 12" out on Burnt Hair
| Records (a consistently great label).

uh- yeah... there is an english band called monorail... ive got a couple of

their singles...

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