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Today's Topics:
	 Bardo Pond
	 rip slowdive
	 Re: rip slowdive
	 Re: rip slowdive
	 Re: rip slowdive
	 Re: rip slowdive
	 Re: rip slowdive
	 the autumns and the moron..
	 Re: rip slowdive
	 Re: rip slowdive
	 Grimble Grumble and Terrastock
	 Re: rip slowdive
	 Re: rip slowdive
	 Re: the autumns and the moron..
	 ian masters anyone?
	 Re: ian masters anyone?
	 Re: rip slowdive
	 big bunghole pentration
	 Unidentified subject!

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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:51:41 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Bardo Pond

Just received this from Matador ->

"Bardo Pond's set [at Terrastock] will air "live" Sunday
 night, starting at around 10:15 pm pacific time (1:15 am 
 EST)....assuming the schedule runs according to plan. See 
 KFJC for details: http://www.kfjc.org"

Damn... 1:15 am EST would mean 7:15 am here... well, perhaps
I'll manage to catch it at breakfast. :-/

 //Erik

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:06:23 PDT
From: "Matthew Falconer" 
Subject: rip slowdive

hi peeps

i dont get it. you people are pathetic. slowdive broke up three years 
ago and get you keep going round and round in circles discussing music 
that was made by a band that expired long ago. dont get me wrong. i love 
slowdive, but enough is enough. youve gotta look further afield. look at 
rachel. she writes off slowdive as funny little noises... it was a 
stepping stone for her ultimate purpose... to become a mazzy star cover 
band. and when she wants to do something really different, they cover 
some drugstore songs too!

yeah. and david stack? $50 for holding our breath ep??? get real! suck 
me off for a dollar! the thing is worth about $5 tops. lets have a 
reality check here people. buying a bootleg cd of b-sides? yep thats mr 
david stack again... if you want them bad enough hunt them down. dont 
let a cunt like him make money from slowdive's labours. hmmmmm. thats 
quite enough for today... i am right and you are all wrong, so dont even 
bother argueing about it...

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:20:45 +0100
From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
Subject: Re: rip slowdive

hmmmmmmmm. interesting. some food for thought there.

| hi peeps
|
| i dont get it. you people are pathetic. slowdive broke up three years
| ago and get you keep going round and round in circles discussing music
| that was made by a band that expired long ago. dont get me wrong. i love
| slowdive, but enough is enough. youve gotta look further afield. look at
| rachel. she writes off slowdive as funny little noises... it was a
| stepping stone for her ultimate purpose... to become a mazzy star cover
| band. and when she wants to do something really different, they cover
| some drugstore songs too!
|
| yeah. and david stack? $50 for holding our breath ep??? get real! suck
| me off for a dollar! the thing is worth about $5 tops. lets have a
| reality check here people. buying a bootleg cd of b-sides? yep thats mr
| david stack again... if you want them bad enough hunt them down. dont
| let a cunt like him make money from slowdive's labours. hmmmmm. thats
| quite enough for today... i am right and you are all wrong, so dont even
| bother argueing about it...

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:11:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: James W Weber 
Subject: Re: rip slowdive

The only response this guy deserves is one equallay sarcastic.
And he is right, ya know, because thats ALL we talk about here, slowdive
and their funny noises, we don't ever talk about ANYTHING else except how
we pay 50 dollars for eps and make bootlegs because we just CAN'T get on
with our lives.  WOW, he has completely deconstructed my reason for
living.  I think I'll go listen to some funny noises and try and
delude myself some more.

Hopefully, you understand the sarcasm in THAT message, moron.  I
thank ye kindly for staying off our list.

james

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:18:31 -0500 (EST)
From: bLenDER 
Subject: Re: rip slowdive

> i dont get it. you people are pathetic. slowdive broke up three years 


mmmmm bait. wait,not hungry, not worth the effort.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:32:26 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: rip slowdive

HEY DAVE!!!!!!!

       HANSON IS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD BAND!

funny little noises............HA!

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:34:58 +0300
From: Siim Kalder 
Subject: Re: rip slowdive

At 03:06 21.04.98 PDT, mr Moron wrote:
> hi peeps
>
> i dont get it. you people are pathetic. slowdive broke up three years 
> ago and get you keep going round and round in circles discussing music 
> that was made by a band that expired long ago. dont get me wrong. i love 
> slowdive, but enough is enough. youve gotta look further afield. look at 
> rachel. she writes off slowdive as funny little noises... it was a 
> stepping stone for her ultimate purpose... to become a mazzy star cover 
> band. and when she wants to do something really different, they cover 
> some drugstore songs too!

Hmm, well, it's really nice to receive something so fundamental at times ;)
You, know, we should thank this guy - he (and others alike) provide a
pretty good source of knowledge of ourselves, we might otherwise sometimes
forget how special Slowdive was in the meaning of a musical phenomenon
during its time, and how long our love for the timeless music can last.
Although I'm sure nobody on this list will forget - the music does the
work, you know. As for Rachel's "funny little noises" - I've always thought
musicians aren't (and can't be) able to appreciate their musical past the
same way as the listeners - it would create a stagnation, etc. Which of
course doesn't mean that I will lose my respect for the band or for the
music. And as for the grim reality of bootlegs and rarities, hmm... well...
it's a... grim reality.

But I still don't get it why mr Moron cared to post it, really.

Rock on, you pathetic little Slowdive suckers ;)

Siim K.
___________
siimk@ut.ee

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: aaj292@agora.ulaval.ca (Christian Morin)
Subject: the autumns and the moron..

The group...the autumns
The album...angel pool

I can't stop listening to this one, this guy can sing... Woh. The songs goes
deeper and deeper, emotionnaly charge. At first i was like some of you, who
said that this band don't sound at all like slowdive and is not very
interesting, but just like slowdive, this album takes a few more listens.
Don't let yourself be fool by the non-shoegazing vocals...
Some guitars are like Slowdive..... but no more comparaison this band have
nice texture and one hell of a singer!!!The EP "Suicide at strell park" is
nice too....

About that moron...i just think that he can't understand why we still want
to talk about Slowdive and there little noises.....it's because this is one
of very few bands who provides music that lives in us forever.......
Chris

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:41:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: mike p 
Subject: Re: rip slowdive

> i dont get it. you people are pathetic. slowdive broke up three years 
> ago and get you keep going round and round in circles discussing music 
> that was made by a band that expired long ago. dont get me wrong. i love 
> slowdive, but enough is enough. youve gotta look further afield. look at 

yeah, like the beatles. they broke up so long ago, why in the hell would
anybody want to listen to that crap. especially with paul mcartney's new
band, wings. that stuff blows his old band right away. the beatles made
lots of "funny noises" too with flanging, etc.. how immature!

mike 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:24:59 EDT
From: Rephlex00 
Subject: Re: rip slowdive

CAN I JUST ASK, 

if we are all SOOOOOOOOO sad and pathetic for being here on this list and
loving slowdive, is being sad really sad? 

and what is the guy doing posting here anyway, surely he isnt so sad to be a
member of this list, IS HE?

BYE BYE, 
a happy sad man

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:32:15 +0000
From: Mitch 
Subject: Grimble Grumble and Terrastock

Hi everyone,

I went to Terrastock this weekend, and wanted to tell you all about a band
that blew me away!  They're called Grimble Grumble, and are from Chicago.
Amazing lush soundscapes (ala Slowdive, Flying Saucer Attack, etc.), but
they have a cool groove to them (ala old Verve).  I don't know how easy it
would be to find their CD (I got it from them at Terrastock), but if you
see it, pick it up!  They are friends of Windy & Carl (whih is how they got
to play Terrastock).  They have a contact address that was printed in the
CD that I bought.  Write them and get a CD, you won't be dissapointed!!!

Grimble Grumble
9922 S. Exchange Ave.
Chicago, Il. 60617-5448


BTW...Terrastock was so much fun!  I've been to many music "festivals", but
this was the most fun I've had in a LONG time!  Everyone was cool.  There
was no attitude, and it seemed like everyone was there just for the music.
There were man amazing bands who played over the weekend. Here are some of
the acts had a possitive effect on me

Windy & Carl: Great set! It's really amazing that only two people can have
such a huge sound live!  They are really nice people too!  I talked to them
for a little while about Slowdive, guitar effects, and hockey.  Again, they
are very nice people.

Roy Montgomery was good.  He played a great set that put everyone in a trance.

Subarachnoid Space:  A local San Francisco band that are always incredible
live.  They just get up on stage and jam.  That takes a lot of balls IMHO.

Spaceheads:  These guys aren't a "shoeagzer" type band in any way, but were
briliant!  They are a trumpet player and a drummer.  The trumpet player,
(can't remember his name), was in the band James.  He played trumpet with a
ton of effects, and sampled stuff on the fly.  Really hard to explain, but
they were great!

Grimble Gumble:  See above.  Having never heard of these guys before the
festival, they are probably the one band that blew me out of my shoes!  I
love it when you "discover" new bands by complete acident!

Bardo Pond:  The loudest band I've seen since My Bloody Valentine.  What
can I say about them?  If you've ever heard Bardo Pond, you know what I
mean.  Highlight of the night was when Roy Montgomery played with them on
the last song.

There were many, many great bands that played over the entire weekend.  If
there is another Terrastock again next year, I will be there!

Cheers,
-Mitch

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:05:18 -0600
From: Brad Nicholson 
Subject: Re: rip slowdive

> hi peeps
>
> i dont get it. you people are pathetic. slowdive broke up three years 
> ago and get you keep going round and round in circles discussing music 
> that was made by a band that expired long ago. 

Interesting, perspective, but I'm afraid but what that the existance of
the band is irrelavent.  Bands come and go, music lasts forever. 

A question though, do you you feel it's invalid to discuss the Beatles
after thirty years?  Or how about Beethoven 200 years after the fact. (Not
that i'm comparing putting Slowdive in the same league as them).  The fact
is, music long outlives the composers.  There's obviously enough people who
still care about music of all sorts, what's so pathetic about that?

As an annotation, hardly anybody cared about the Velvet Undergound when
they were together.  Thank god people were "pathetic" enough to discuss
them about them two and a half decades after the fact, so that I was able
to discover them.

brad.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:44:25 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: rip slowdive

well
i have every thing released by mazzy star and every thing by drugstore
and the only similarty i see is the twang of mazzy star and the fact that
isabel monteiro plays bass
get real
they dismiss the slowdive stuff as funny noises becuase they want to progress
and many of you want let them
mojave 3 are amazing 
they sound nothing like drugstore or mazzy star 
more like the country/folk BYRDS albums and 70's country ala george jones

steve

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:48:57 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: the autumns and the moron..

In a message dated 98-04-21 13:58:44 EDT, you write:

<< 
 The group...the autumns
 The album...angel pool
 
 I can't stop listening to this one, this guy can sing... Woh. The songs goes
 deeper and deeper, emotionnaly charge. At first i was like some of you, who
 said that this band don't sound at all like slowdive and is not very
 interesting, but just like slowdive, this album takes a few more listens.
 Don't let yourself be fool by the non-shoegazing vocals...
 Some guitars are like Slowdive..... but no more comparaison this band have
 nice texture and one hell of a singer!!!The EP "Suicide at strell park" is
 nice too....
>>

im glad  to see that my post several months ago about the autumns has gotten
some fans. they are brilliant and even better live. they have some new stuff
on the way. matthew the lead singer emailed me a few weeks ago about it.

steve

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 01:02:50 EDT
From: Espsummer 
Subject: ian masters anyone?

would anyone here know what ian masters (ex-pale saints
founder....angelic voice extrordinaire)  is doing these
days?.........his spin off projects....spoonfed hybrid,
esp summer.......were unbelievably amazing and if you
don't own them........agggghhhh!!!!!!!........u might
as well not own ask me tommorow or something.......
(really.....its beautiful)

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:26:43 -0500
From: timethief@juno.com (Luis B. Abcede)
Subject: Re: ian masters anyone?

Good morning,

Ian has done other projects since then.  If you haven't already have His
Name is Alive-Stars on ESP, GET IT NOW!  Ian Masters appears in the
credits, and his influence (and vocals) on the album is fairly obvious. 
Then again, it's basically ESP Summer all over again.  Except this time,
the rest of HNIA appears on the album.  Spoonfed Hybrid released an EP on
Farrago Records back in '95/'96.  Ian has also done some solo work under
the name Oneironaut.  I haven't really been keeping up on other
happenings.  If you need more info, check the Institute of Spoons
(http://www.dfuse.com/xt/spoons/) and Farrago Records
(http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm).  If you plan to order something
from the Instute, I gotta warn ya.  You're gonna have to pay for
international shipping if you don't live in England.

I really don't think any of the works sound at all like Mojave 3.  They
do have that lo-fi appeal, but it's more quirky experimental music.

Another Ian fan,
Luis
timethief@juno.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:56:24 EDT
From: Espsummer 
Subject: Re: rip slowdive

               hmm.......there was some logic in that argument.......other
bands of the time are never discussed here and it could be
interesting......say....the pale saints, chapterhouse, ride ect.  I want to
know what the members of those bands are doing now...........
              As for those hard to find singles...........to add insult to
injury.......i just found the first 3 singles used for 3 dollars a piece, but
i was searching for years.  Funny that i finally found them for such a cheap
price because there was a time that i'd pay 20 dollars for holding our breath
.....easy.  To hear the songs slowdive and avalyn for the first time was quite
amazing........

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 02:27:31 PDT
From: "Matthew Falconer" 
Subject: big bunghole pentration

hi again peeps.

hmmmmmm. nice. i guess the truth hurts doesnt it? listen to mazzy star, 
listen to drugtore and then listen to mojave3... notice the 
similarities???

and yeah. i reckon the beatles sucked big dicks too. the rules go... if 
the band is dead, then they are dead for a reason... either the band 
felt that their creative goals have been fulfilled, or they all hated 
each others guts. OR NO ONE BOUGHT THEIR RECORDS AND THEY WEREN@T MAKING 
ENOUGH MONEY!!!!!! methinks slowdive fit in the third and final 
category.

so then, why bother trolling around in the past? get out and listen to 
something new... its almost as pathetic as these spacemen3 freaks who 
listen to spacemen3 shit all day long... almost as pathetic as country 
music freaks who listen to the same old tired billy ray cyrus shit over 
and over again even though his musical career was in the toilet from day 
one... almost as pathetic as disco freaks who buy those fucking disco 
compilations (that all have le freak on them) and go to shitty 70s retro 
nights... "sure," you say, "but i am better than them coz slowdive is 
better, that stuff is shit." but no. its not better, you just like it 
more. 

and as for music changing your life profoundly??? get real!!! to the 
people who make it, its just a job. it puts the food on the table for 
them and pays the rent on their house. they dont care how you feel about 
it... JUST AS LONG AS YOU BUY IT... its like a ticket conductor on a bus 
changing your life profoundly because of the way he/she sells you a bus 
ticket... the way they count your change... the way they push the ticket 
into you hand... the sensuality, the feeling... oh god! (i mean 
ooooops!) its just changed your life forever. music is just another job. 
get over it. sure, if it sounds nice then listen to it, but for god 
sake, have a sense of perspective...

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:58:00 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Unidentified subject!

Q:  WHY ARE YOU EVEN ON THIS LIST?

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