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Today's Topics:
	 Re: big bunghole pentration
	 new MBV single...
	 re: re: re: bigger bungholio penetratcione
	 effects
	 Re: big bunghole pentration (jerkoff)
	 Re: Ponder this...
	 Massive Attack
	 Re: Massive Attack
	 Re: Massive Attack
	 Re: Rip Slowdive
	 Re: Massive Attack
	 Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special
	 Re: big bunghole pentration (jerkoff)
	 Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special
	 Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special
	 Sweet Trip Disappointments
	 Re: Massive Attack
	 Re: Massive Attack
	 Re: Sweet Trip Disappointments
	 Roni Size??
	 two more slowdive MP3s...
	 Massive Attack
	 great drum and bass
	 Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special
	 Re: great drum and bass
	 Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special
	 Re: great drum and bass

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:54:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: biz <1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu>
Subject: Re: big bunghole pentration

I like these messages!  I laugh when people try to rile others up.  I 
would like to say that if this really bothers you, don't respond.  That's 
called fueling the fire.  Otherwise, we wouldn't have gotten a second 
message out of this guy.  If we don't reply, the equivalent is letting 
him send himself emails about how he's so together...  I'm sure he'd like 
that (isn't that basically what he's doing anyway?

On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Matthew Falconer wrote:
> hi again peeps.
> 
> hmmmmmm. nice. i guess the truth hurts doesnt it? listen to mazzy star, 
> listen to drugtore and then listen to mojave3... notice the 
> similarities???
> 
> and yeah. i reckon the beatles sucked big dicks too. the rules go... if 
> the band is dead, then they are dead for a reason... either the band 
> felt that their creative goals have been fulfilled, or they all hated 
> each others guts. OR NO ONE BOUGHT THEIR RECORDS AND THEY WEREN@T MAKING 
> ENOUGH MONEY!!!!!! methinks slowdive fit in the third and final 
> category.
> 
> so then, why bother trolling around in the past? get out and listen to 
> something new... its almost as pathetic as these spacemen3 freaks who 
> listen to spacemen3 shit all day long... almost as pathetic as country 
> music freaks who listen to the same old tired billy ray cyrus shit over 
> and over again even though his musical career was in the toilet from day 
> one... almost as pathetic as disco freaks who buy those fucking disco 
> compilations (that all have le freak on them) and go to shitty 70s retro 
> nights... "sure," you say, "but i am better than them coz slowdive is 
> better, that stuff is shit." but no. its not better, you just like it 
> more. 
> 
> and as for music changing your life profoundly??? get real!!! to the 
> people who make it, its just a job. it puts the food on the table for 
> them and pays the rent on their house. they dont care how you feel about 
> it... JUST AS LONG AS YOU BUY IT... its like a ticket conductor on a bus 
> changing your life profoundly because of the way he/she sells you a bus 
> ticket... the way they count your change... the way they push the ticket 
> into you hand... the sensuality, the feeling... oh god! (i mean 
> ooooops!) its just changed your life forever. music is just another job. 
> get over it. sure, if it sounds nice then listen to it, but for god 
> sake, have a sense of perspective...

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:44:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: biz <1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu>
Subject: new MBV single...

I'll believe it when I see it, and another thing:
It had better be damn good for as long as I've waited...

On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Richard Henson wrote:
> Actually, i work at an indie record store and i saw a NEW MBV single on a
> couple of our lists.  It's supposed to be coming out within the next month
> or two. I forgot th name but i'm on my way to work now, so i'll post more
> info later tonight.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:52:41 +0100
From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
Subject: re: re: re: bigger bungholio penetratcione

> I like these messages!  I laugh when people try to rile others up.  I
> would like to say that if this really bothers you, don't respond.  That's
> called fueling the fire.  Otherwise, we wouldn't have gotten a second
> message out of this guy.  If we don't reply, the equivalent is letting
> him send himself emails about how he's so together...  I'm sure he'd like
> that (isn't that basically what he's doing anyway?

yeah. its kinda funny. by saying this and drawing everyone into replying,
isn't he infact making us implicit in his original statements??? i dunno.
i just reckon he is a wanker... i read ALL of the mails on the list and
think about them. some i agree with, some i dont. i think his fits in the
latter. but then everyone has the right to an opinion. if those are his
views, then whatever. its like that arguement a few months back over
rachel and the way she looks. some people felt it right to express their
opinions about how she looked. others didnt like it. what am i saying? i
dont know...

in short, everyone has an opinion. it might not be the same as yours, but
it is their opinion, and i think we must respect them for having an opinion
(even if we dont respect that particular opinion). cause its better than
just having no opinion and being a sponge on the list. jeez. i sound like
a new age guy, don't i? sorry! there has'nt been this much action on the
list for ages. at least its interesting now...

why is everyone getting so worked up any way? i reckon it's pretty funny...
what has he done, hit a nerve or something?

> On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Matthew Falconer wrote:

who is matthew falconer anyway?

later,
dave

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:17:40 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: effects

Any fellow slowdive fans/ guitarists know exactly what kind of
distortion or fuzz pedal Neil was using?  Anyone get a peek at
any of their shows?

wade

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:22:49 EDT
From: Suedehead0 
Subject: Re: big bunghole pentration (jerkoff)

In a message dated 98-04-23 04:10:00 EDT, you write:

<< now for drugstore and mazzy star
 they are like saying the pixies sound like the verve
 or jesus and mary chain sound like the palace brothers >>
steve you like the palace brothers?

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:21:26 EDT
From: Rephlex00 
Subject: Re: Ponder this...

In a message dated 23/04/98 10:53:11 GMT, you write:

<<
 Lets put or hands together for Rachel!!! YAY!!!! Maybe she could try 
 telling that to her fans!!! I doubt they'd listen, though. Too busy 
 laying around in bed or hiding under the stairs afraid of the sunlight 
 and reality and NEW music! I think I'll leave it there for today...
>>

i DO listen to new music, especially electronic stuff, AUTECHRE, APHEX,
ANYTHING ON WARP RECORDS OR REPHLEX, i dont think you can get much more up to
date or futuristic for that matter, but it just so happens that i like old
stuff too, but if u are the kind of person who chucks out all their old stuff
once it isnt NEW or IN FASHION, then fine, but some have longer attention
spans, and dont disregard anything due to age

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:47:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: aaj292@agora.ulaval.ca (Christian Morin)
Subject: Massive Attack

I'm listening to Mezzanine the last album by Massive Attack

SOOOOOO GREAT!!! Woh 

dreamy, soothing
with a sample of 10:15 saturday night on one track ,  used so nicely

GO GET IT!
Chris

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:35:51 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: Massive Attack

WHERE

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:36:10 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: Massive Attack

where are you from
mezzine isnt out in the states yet

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:40:31 EDT
From: Lull45 
Subject: Re: Rip Slowdive

For the so called "moron"...

The Beatles

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:43:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: "B.Taylor" 
Subject: Re: Massive Attack

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Catchbreez wrote:

> WHERE

anywhere

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:44:58 -0500
From: Agent Cooper 
Subject: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special

Well, I'm glad Erik spoke up about this album.

To the Claire de Leon guy (you know the one... the guy with the biggest sig of
the list, the guy who's perpetually plugging his mail order business...): Your
recommendation was over the top, especially for this list. Some of the CD
sounds like 5ep, but I really don't see ANY connection between Sweet Trip and
slowdive...

Most of it sounded like mediocre ambient dub, with vocals. Very forgettable.

If I'm going to listen to an artist that uses sequenced drums, I'm going to
put in Color Filter, Roni Size/Reprazent, or Squarepusher long before I put in
Sweet Trip.

In fact, I truly HATE Sweet Trip - and it's only because I was given such a
ludicrously strong recommendation.

My theory: Daniel sells the album.

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:49:33 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: big bunghole pentration (jerkoff)

yes they are good
i have one album
it is nice
i was really just using them as a comparison

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:22:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: butterfly mcqueen 
Subject: Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special

> In fact, I truly HATE Sweet Trip - and it's only because I was given such a
> ludicrously strong recommendation.
>
> My theory: Daniel sells the album.

jesus, i think you're being quite unfair.  i personally think the album is
one of the best of the year -- and i see a big slowdive connection.  not the
*best* comparison, but not so off the mark.  blissful guitars and vocals
galore...

; e.e.

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:49:02 -0600
From: Brad Nicholson 
Subject: Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special

At 04:44 PM 23/04/98 -0500, Agent Cooper wrote:
> Well, I'm glad Erik spoke up about this album.
>
> To the Claire de Leon guy (you know the one... the guy with the biggest
> sig of the list, the guy who's perpetually plugging his mail order
> business...):

I for one like hearing about what he's got for sale.  If he wasn't plugging
his mail order, I would not have a compilation with exclusive tracks by
Windy and Carl, Mahogany, and others on the way.  Besides, it's no
different than the constant trade and for sale lists that others post all
the time.

> Your
> recommendation was over the top, especially for this list. Some of the CD
> sounds like 5ep, but I really don't see ANY connection between Sweet Trip
> and slowdive...

Hmm, some of the CD sounds like a Slowdive EP, but there is no connection
between them and Slowdive!?  Doesn't make much sense to me.

> If I'm going to listen to an artist that uses sequenced drums, I'm going to
> put in Color Filter, Roni Size/Reprazent, or Squarepusher long before I
> put in Sweet Trip.

It's all a matter of personal taste.  I for one, think Roni Size is watered
down shit, and have never been to big on Squarepusher.  I've only heard one
song by Sweet Trip on the radio, and was more than impressed by it.

> My theory: Daniel sells the album.

My theory, Daniel likes the album.  I've dealt with him on a few occasions,
and he's always been great.  He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who
would plug crap to make a couple of bucks.

brad.

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:32:06 -0400
From: Andy McMillan 
Subject: Sweet Trip Disappointments

Sorry if anybody felt misled when Daniel and I (among others) loudly
sang the praises of Sweet Trip's installment in the Bliss Out series,
but I definitely see a connection between "Blue Skied an Clear"-era
Slowdive and this record. You make a good point though about how much
expectations can alter one's view of a new band. If I had popped the CD
in expecting the Second Coming, then I would have been let down too. I
think Daniel is a stand-up kind of guy who genuinely loves this style of
music--he just tends to gush on like a fanboy now and then (see his
recent posts about Mahongany for example). My point: I don't have one.
I've been turned onto plenty of great bands I never would have heard
otherwise by posts on lists like this one, but I've had my share of
stinkers though too (Main for instance). 
	At least I didn't try to argue with that one guy who is just trying to
get a rise out of people 'cause he thinks it's cool to be a prick...

Andy McMillan

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:08:49 PDT
From: "michaelnicki barrett" 
Subject: Re: Massive Attack

Hi 
I just droped into the conversation here sorry,But over here in 
Australia the new Massive Album came out Mon 20th last monday.

> where are you from
> mezzine isnt out in the states yet

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:22:11 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: Massive Attack

texas

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:36:39 +0600
From: box-and-whiskers 
Subject: Re: Sweet Trip Disappointments

> I've been turned onto plenty of great bands I never would have heard
> otherwise by posts on lists like this one, but I've had my share of
> stinkers though too (Main for instance). 

main!?  haven't heard their entire catalogue, but i think that _hz_
compilation of theirs is excellent!  granted, it's not the most light and
fluffy stuff, but for 'dark-ambient-drone', it's some of the best.  (so no,
it doesn't sound anything like slowdive.  sorry.)

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 08:58:49 CST
From: Crios@dminet.davidson-marketing.com
Subject: Roni Size??

What's he like??
Is it worth picking up?

 Chris

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:35:45 -0500
From: Agent Cooper 
Subject: two more slowdive MP3s...

Hey folks,

The second remix of In Mind is now up on my so-called "alternate" site. It's
just about 10 MB.

http://www.fringeware.com/anathema/cooper/slowdive.html

Also, I've put up "Some Velvet Morning", for all of people who couldn't get
the U.S. release of Souvlaki.

After these, here's the sequence:

Good Day Sunshine
Missing You
Country Rain

These are the songs from 5ep, also included on the U.S. release of Souvlaki,
but not everyone lives in the U.S., so I'm putting them on my site.

After that, I don't know what else I've left out. I *THINK* I may have omitted
"Losing Today" from the Morningrise EP...

Anyway, please e-mail me and tell me what tracks I still need to put up.

Thanks.

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:37:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: aaj292@agora.ulaval.ca (Christian Morin)
Subject: Massive Attack

i'm from canada and the Massive Attack album is out since last
tuesday April 21st

Chris

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:39:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: aaj292@agora.ulaval.ca (Christian Morin)
Subject: great drum and bass

Roni size....boring

To me, you have to go with Amon Tobin and especially 3rd eye foundation if
you want great drum and bass!!

Any recommandations for great ambiant drum and bass or scarry one like 3rd
eye foundation?

Chris

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:29:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Claire De Leon! 
Subject: Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special

> To the Claire de Leon guy (you know the one... the guy with the biggest sig of
> the list, the guy who's perpetually plugging his mail order business...): Your
> recommendation was over the top, especially for this list. Some of the CD
> sounds like 5ep, but I really don't see ANY connection between Sweet Trip and slowdive...

Hey, sorry guys, I'll keep my mouth shut from now on. I know you all don't
want to hear what I think is good. I'm sure you all have the same closed
minds on this list, so I may as well not even bother telling anyone about
anything else. Sorry again for clogging your mailbox...

sig file removed for those who get too offended by my hobby...
Daniel

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 13:37:25 CST
From: Crios@dminet.davidson-marketing.com
Subject: Re: great drum and bass

I don't know alot about drum and bass... but I do like "Spring Heel Jack"
I guess I'm looking for more stuff like that...  I'm not into that real hard
dark jungle.... I like it more uplifting... Not real ambient but along those
lines.... Any suggestions???

Crios

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:22:47 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special

Daniel,
Don't stop suggesting.. Just as long as people are aware that 
everyone has different tastes.  

  wade

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:14:16 +0000
From: Mitch 
Subject: Re: great drum and bass

At 01:39 PM 4/24/98 -0400, Christian Morin wrote:
> Roni size....boring
>
> To me, you have to go with Amon Tobin and especially 3rd eye foundation if
> you want great drum and bass!!
>
> Any recommandations for great ambiant drum and bass or scarry one like 3rd
> eye foundation?

I *LOVE* Third Eye Foundation!!!  More good "dark" drum and bass you might
like would be the new Witchman double CD (I forget the name), and almost
anything by Bill Laswell (Psyconavigation is one of my favorites)

All this Drum and Bass stuff is a little new to me, but I tend to like more
of the darker, ambiant type stuff.

Cheers,
-Mitch

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