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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:36:43 -0500
From: fallhammergehirne 
Subject: Re: great drum and bass

> To me, you have to go with Amon Tobin and especially 3rd eye foundation if
> you want great drum and bass!!

plus, most amon tobin tracks sound just as good at 33 as well.

> Any recommandations for great ambiant drum and bass or scarry one like 3rd
> eye foundation?

cut yourself up to panacea!

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:42:06 -0500
From: fallhammergehirne 
Subject: Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special

>> To the Claire de Leon guy (you know the one... the guy with the biggest
>> sig of the list, the guy who's perpetually plugging his mail order
>> business...): Your recommendation was over the top, especially for
>> this list. Some of the CD sounds like 5ep, but I really don't see ANY
>> connection between Sweet Trip and slowdive...
>
> Hey, sorry guys, I'll keep my mouth shut from now on. I know you all don't
> want to hear what I think is good. I'm sure you all have the same closed
> minds on this list, so I may as well not even bother telling anyone about
> anything else. Sorry again for clogging your mailbox...
>
> sig file removed for those who get too offended by my hobby...
> Daniel

oh poo. if you're worried about ppl plugging their mail order businesses,
obviously you've never spent time on the ambient list. [intelligent]
dissenting opinions is what makes most music lists interesting to read. i
wasn't too thrilled with the a side of the sweet trip bliss out 12" but the
b side is fantastic. just find someone with similar tastes and work from
there. i saw rodney king on tv last night....................
j

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joroses@mail.utexas.edu			dig dug the big bug

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:01:10 -0700
From: Richard Henson 
Subject: Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special

Don't take it so hard man, some people just don't understand...and you
know what?  To hell with them, if they're not interested in finding out
about new bands or in hearing other peoples opinions, let them delete your
e-mails.  Just because "they" don't like what you have to say doesn't mean
anybody else does, either.  if they don't like it, they can leave the list.
 'Cause that's what these lists are for, for fans to network and find out
what other people of similar (read: similar, NOT identical) musical tastes
are listening to.

richard

At 02:29 PM 4/24/98 -0400, you wrote:

> Hey, sorry guys, I'll keep my mouth shut from now on. I know you all don't
> want to hear what I think is good. I'm sure you all have the same closed
> minds on this list, so I may as well not even bother telling anyone about
> anything else. Sorry again for clogging your mailbox...
>
> sig file removed for those who get too offended by my hobby...
> Daniel

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:31:49 -0700
From: "halou" 
Subject: sweet trip

hmm. sweet trip/ slowdive. no connection? no similarity? hmm. what exactly
is the similarity to spring heel jack? or roni size? who cares?

someone recommended something to you. you got it. didn't like it. move on.
you had to know it was a gamble. recommendations are a great way to find
out about stuff you might not otherwise hear about. right?

besides, the sweet trip album is brilliant, and i'd take it over any
mojave3 bollocks anyday.

really, one of the few records i've heard in a while that doesn't sound
entirely derivative of stuff that's been done before. that said, i respect
that it ain't yer bag.

maybe when you trash something on a mailing list, you should list a few
things you do like (like roni size, haha). see, i think roni size is shite.
completely. so to me, that would sort of invalidate your opinion on sweet
trip.

thanks, i'll buy your copy of halica used, mine got ripped off.

ryanhalou
http://www.imagesmith.com/halou

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:12:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: recommendations

Can anyone recommend a good Lovespiralsdownwards, or loveliescrushing 
album.  I've heard one of lsp's cd's and thought it was a bit boring. 
Is there anything worth checking out by either band?

wade

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:51:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Claire De Leon! 
Subject: Re: recommendations

gettin' dangerous on the recommendations here:

> Can anyone recommend a good Lovespiralsdownwards, or loveliescrushing 
> album.  I've heard one of lsp's cd's and thought it was a bit boring. 
> Is there anything worth checking out by either band?

I haven't heard LSD yet, but as far as Lovesliescrushing, my fave of the
two albums is xuvetyn. Basically, the entire album is incredibly fucked
guitarwork, from shimmering to screeching, and all the while, melissa's
vocals in the background, which is essentially loud breathing you can
hear, with a tinge of pitch a la "ooh"s and "ahh"s. Very worth hearing,
IMO.

^^^ 

Daniel

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:52:20 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special

> Hey, sorry guys, I'll keep my mouth shut from now on. I know you all don't
> want to hear what I think is good. I'm sure you all have the same closed
> minds on this list, so I may as well not even bother telling anyone about
> anything else. Sorry again for clogging your mailbox...

Well, personally I don't think anyone on the list (or elsewhere) should 
stop recommending or suggest music - I have found several new favourites
just by following people's advice on this list alone. So please don't
stop just because someone didn't like what he/she heard.

> sig file removed for those who get too offended by my hobby...

That on the other hand is a blessing for the Digest people. ;)

 //Erik 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:04:19 +0600
From: box-and-whiskers 
Subject: Re: recommendations

> Can anyone recommend a good Lovespiralsdownwards, or loveliescrushing 
> album.  I've heard one of lsp's cd's and thought it was a bit boring. 
> Is there anything worth checking out by either band?

yes!  if you happened to hear the latest love spirals downwards album
_ever_, then i'm not surprised you were bored.  their second album _ardor_
is much better.  it has more of the effects-laden guitars (and none of the
electronic elements that their more recent stuff has had), in addition to
one of the best ethereal female voices i've heard.  as for
lovesliescrushing, imagine mbv (a la bilinda) on acid.  if that sounds
worthwhile, either of their two albums _bloweyelashwish_ and _xuvetyn_ are
great (though i tend to favor _xuvetyn_ just a little more).

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:21:41 -0600
From: Brad Nicholson 
Subject: Re: recommendations

At 04:51 PM 24/04/98 -0400, you wrote:
> I haven't heard LSD yet, but as far as Lovesliescrushing, my fave of the
> two albums is xuvetyn. Basically, the entire album is incredibly fucked
> guitarwork, from shimmering to screeching, and all the while, melissa's
> vocals in the background, which is essentially loud breathing you can
> hear, with a tinge of pitch a la "ooh"s and "ahh"s. Very worth hearing,
> IMO.

I would agree with Xuvetyn Being the one to get.  Llc usually get called a
dreampop band, but it can be a bit misleading.  They certainly use the same
type of guitars, but they are very ambient/etherial.  The songs are
basically drifting soundscapes, free of bass and percussion, as opposed to
actual structured songs.  If you like ambient music, you'll **probably**
really dig llc.  If ambient music bores you, look else where.

brad.

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Date: 24 Apr 98 14:25:01 
From: Teresa Sampson 
Subject: Re: recommendations

A great Love Spirals Downwards album to listen to would be Ever.  Idyll is
also a good album.  I think they're great, but of course, that's my opinion.

Teresa

On 24 April at 16:51 EDT, eleven @ grove.ufl.edu (Claire De Leon!) wrote:
gettin' dangerous on the recommendations here:

> Can anyone recommend a good Lovespiralsdownwards, or loveliescrushing 
> album.  I've heard one of lsp's cd's and thought it was a bit boring. 
> Is there anything worth checking out by either band?

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:30:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: succumbing

On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, box-and-whiskers wrote:

> worthwhile, either of their two albums _bloweyelashwish_ and _xuvetyn_ are
> great (though i tend to favor _xuvetyn_ just a little more).

Dear, dear me!  What hopelessly convoluted titles those are ;-)

By the way, I've hitherto refrained from dignifying our Falconer character
w/ a response.  However, I must say that he did bring up at least one
point which I agreed w/:  his observation about the utter ridiculousness
of someone "offering" ;-) a Slowdive CD EP for $50!

I mean really, I thought that laughable as well:  especially, as
he pointed out, in the context of this list ...

When I have more time, look for somethig further on what I think
needed to be added to the previously on-going discussion ...

until then, be easy
--Michael

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:45:05 -0700
From: "Tim Warner" 
Subject: Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special

Daniel, I'd be pretty freakin' bummed if you kept your mouth shut.  How
else would I have heard of Mohogany, Auburn Lull, All Natural Lemon and
Lime Flavors, and a bunch of other cool stuff.  Open your mouth.  Tis
America, dammit.

I love SweetTrip.  It's good happy spaceout music...

Tim

> Hey, sorry guys, I'll keep my mouth shut from now on. I know you all don't
> want to hear what I think is good. I'm sure you all have the same closed
> minds on this list, so I may as well not even bother telling anyone about
> anything else. Sorry again for clogging your mailbox...
> 
> sig file removed for those who get too offended by my hobby...
> Daniel

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:40:29 -0500 (EST)
From: bLenDER 
Subject: Re: recommendations

> I would agree with Xuvetyn Being the one to get.  Llc usually get called a
> dreampop band, but it can be a bit misleading.  They certainly use the same
> type of guitars, but they are very ambient/etherial.  The songs are

dreampop with out the pop
but dream music sounds WAY too new age...

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:40:50 -0600 (MDT)
From: michael maes 
Subject: Re: recommendations

oh, wade.
Ardor, and EVER are for LSD

At 04:51 PM 4/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
> gettin' dangerous on the recommendations here:
>
>> Can anyone recommend a good Lovespiralsdownwards, or loveliescrushing 
>> album.  I've heard one of lsp's cd's and thought it was a bit boring. 
>> Is there anything worth checking out by either band?
> 
> I haven't heard LSD yet, but as far as Lovesliescrushing, my fave of the
> two albums is xuvetyn. Basically, the entire album is incredibly fucked
> guitarwork, from shimmering to screeching, and all the while, melissa's
> vocals in the background, which is essentially loud breathing you can
> hear, with a tinge of pitch a la "ooh"s and "ahh"s. Very worth hearing,
> IMO.
>
> ^^^ 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:46:57 -0600 (MDT)
From: michael maes 
Subject: Re: recommendations

what is wrong with new age? 

At 04:40 PM 4/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> I would agree with Xuvetyn Being the one to get.  Llc usually get called a
>> dreampop band, but it can be a bit misleading.  They certainly use the same
>> type of guitars, but they are very ambient/etherial.  The songs are
>
> dreampop with out the pop
> but dream music sounds WAY too new age...

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:52:50 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special

> Most of it sounded like mediocre ambient dub, with vocals. Very
> forgettable.

Yes, most of it does sound like ambient dub - actually the first half
of the album is pretty close to what a friend of mine did with his
synth setup a couple of years ago (without the (albeit scarce) vocals)
- but IMO it's neither mediocre nor forgettable. It's just ... well,
not moving _me_. Dreamy - yes, very. Ambient - yes, very. Dub - yes.
Drone - no. Shoegaze (in the sense of Slowdive/MBV etc.) - No.

Funny thing - the band info from the label that came with the cd
say things like "a unique blissed out techno group" - "It's
definitely 100% techno" and "It's more on the electronic than
the ethereal side, yet Comparable (sic) to Slowdive & The
Cocteau Twins." 

Now Sweet Trip isn't "techno" is it? If it is I have probably
never heard any techno.

There's a cut-out on the back with a live review from the SF Bay
Guardian, where the reviewer (who isn't mentioned by name) compares
them to Stereolab and Aphex Twins (sic). And, he/she writes
that they reminded him/her of "perhaps Slowdive on one of their
more experimental endeavors."

That last part I can agree with, and perhaps Sweet Trip is just
right for those who consider Pygmalion to be the best Slowdive
album. But there's a "perhaps" there first - and it's a big
"perhaps".

The things I do like are the (much) in the background effects-
laden guitar parts in "come to me" where the song speeds up
and does get some Stereolab/Komeda similarities, but these
parts are scarce as it only happens twice in the 7:11 long song.

The promise the up-front guitars at the beginning of "starlife"
gives is let down by the rest of the song where there are no
traces (heh) of them.

"traces" then, yes, gorgeous echo-y and jangly effects on the
guitars which goes on repeat together with the soft bass and
(in the hallway down the stairs) dreamy male vocals make this
the best song on the album - actually this is the one song I
really like. If it was released as a single, I'd buy it.

> In fact, I truly HATE Sweet Trip - and it's only because I was given
> such a ludicrously strong recommendation.

I don't hate them, but I'll probably not be listening to them
very much.

 //Erik 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:59:35 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Sweet Trip's "Halica" is nothing special

> jesus, i think you're being quite unfair.  i personally think the album is
> one of the best of the year -- and i see a big slowdive connection.  not the
> *best* comparison, but not so off the mark.  blissful guitars and vocals
> galore...

Wait, we can't really mean the same album if you say "blissful guitars and
vocals galore" and mean the Sweet Trip "halica. bliss out v.11" album?
The vocals are extremely scarce, and when they do sing, they're in
another room. Somewhere else.

The guitars worth mentioning (ie. which you can hear good enough to 
separate from the synth programming) can be found in small parts in
"come to me", the beginning of "starlife" and in "traces".

I can only completely agree with "blissful guitars and vocals galore"
when it comes to "traces".

 //Erik

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:14:25 EDT
From: Rephlex00 
Subject: Re: great drum and bass

You could try PANACEA, REALLY DARK DISTORTED

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:04:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: sara 
Subject: help - shoe pie

what is the deal with shoe pie?  i see that mr. stack is selling 
it for $34, is it really worth that?  anyway, any info would
be appreciated.  thanks.

sara

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