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Today's Topics:
	 Re: help - shoe pie
	 RE: recommendations
	 Re: help - shoe pie
	 Re: great drum and bass
	 Colfax Abbey
	 starflyer 69
	 Re: starflyer 69
	 RE: starflyer 69
	 velour 100
	 Re: velour 100
	 Re: Colfax Abbey
	 Re: Colfax Abbey
	 Re: Colfax Abbey
	 Re: Colfax Abbey
	 Re: Colfax Abbey
	 down with shoegazing, down w/ mediocrity! :-)
	 lush albums

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:31:40 -0700
From: "Tim Warner" 
Subject: Re: help - shoe pie

> what is the deal with shoe pie?  i see that mr. stack is selling 
> it for $34, is it really worth that?  anyway, any info would
> be appreciated.  thanks.

Sara...you have funny timing...just saw this on the 4AD list:


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 > From: Jesse Edwards 
 > To: 4AD-L@AMERICAN.EDU
 > Subject: 3 shoepies for sale
 > Date: 24 April 1998 11:41
 > 
 > I also wanted you to know that besides $10 +shipping, trades would most
 > definitely be considered(would rather have new music than the cash).

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 03:24:59 -0500
From: travis salisbury 
Subject: RE: recommendations

They certainly use the same type of guitars, but they are very ambient/
etherial.  The songs are basically drifting soundscapes, free of bass
and percussion, as opposed to actual structured songs.  If you like
ambient music, you'll **probably** really dig llc.  If ambient music
bores you, look else where.

I think llc has structure it is just not easily noticed....listen real
carefully and you'll notice structure...they vocals fit w/ certain guitar
parts etc..

travis

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 03:14:24 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: help - shoe pie

well i have 3 at my work
disc go round in houston
they are 7.99
i do mail orders
if you are interested in them 
email me
catchbreez@aol.com

steve

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:51:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: mike p 
Subject: Re: great drum and bass

> cut yourself up to panacea!

yeah. id recomand panacea too. and penny black (the tripple album). this
is the scariest of the scary.

"we" is good too. the first track on the album "as is" is great

mike

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:13:22 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Colfax Abbey

I've been listening to the Colfax Abbey snippets fellow MP3 master and
list member Luis sent me a while ago for days now, and they are simply
fantastic! That's what I call jangly, ethereal, dreamy and shoegaze!
Just *so* beautiful. Same sort of revelation Blind Mr. Jones had on
me when I discovered them (through the list - once again).

I really need to get hold of whatever they have released, but I can't
remember if anyone posted info about where they hide on the net (if
at all?) or where their records are available? What label are they
signed to?

 //Erik *bliss*

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:50:42 +0200
From: "LOSING TODAY" 
Subject: starflyer 69

could you tell me more about starflyer 69 music?
Where could  i find their records?
Which is their best album?

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:25:46 -0700
From: "Tim Warner" 
Subject: Re: starflyer 69

Actually, it's starflyer 59.  But that's cool.

Well, they are on Tooth and Nail records, which is at www.toothandnail.com,
I think.  They are one of my favorite bands around!

I like their silver and gold albums respectively.  I think I like silver
(their first) a little better.  It's a little more raw, I think.  Anyway,
their newest, Americana, is a little more, well...rock oriented or
something.  Black Sabbath riffs and all, but still kind of shoegazy.  Hard
to describe.  They have always had walls of feedbacky/super-low-end guitar,
which I love...and mumbly vocals.  

I'm not doing them any justice.  I love 'em, though.

Tim

PS check out http://www.toothandnail.com/bands/starflyer59/

> could you tell me more about starflyer 69 music?
> Where could  i find their records?
> Which is their best album?

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:19:50 -0500
From: travis salisbury 
Subject: RE: starflyer 69

> could you tell me more about starflyer 69 music? 
>
> Where could  i find their records? Which is their best album?

Starflyer 59 is on tooth and nail records which is usaually sold
in most record stores....or try a place that sells christian rock
music... IMO the silver album is the best, but thats open to
discussion...

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:55:39 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: velour 100

much better than starflyer and on the same lable

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:25:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lorraine Lelis 
Subject: Re: velour 100

On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Catchbreez wrote:

> much better than starflyer and on the same lable

speaking of velour 100.........

my band is opening for them on sunday, may 3 in new york city.
new yorkers, please do come!

Brownie's (Ave. A b/w 10th and 11th)
8pm
Hala Star******

lorraine

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:23:23 -0600
From: Brad Nicholson 
Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey

At 10:13 PM 25/04/98 +0200, you wrote:
> I really need to get hold of whatever they have released, but I can't
> remember if anyone posted info about where they hide on the net (if
> at all?) or where their records are available? What label are they
> signed to?

I'm pretty sure that they have broken up.  They are/were on Prospective
Records.  They'ver released two albums, "Drop" which is the straight out
dreampop one, and Penetration, which is considerably more ambient.

The Contact address on the disc is:

Prospective Records
2217 Nicollet Avenue South,
Minneapolis, MN. 55404
USA

The web adress is 
http://tt.net/prospective

brad.

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:15:36 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey

>> I really need to get hold of whatever they have released, but I can't
>> remember if anyone posted info about where they hide on the net (if
>> at all?) or where their records are available? What label are they
>> signed to?
>
> I'm pretty sure that they have broken up.  They are/were on Prospective
> Records.  They'ver released two albums, "Drop" which is the straight out
> dreampop one, and Penetration, which is considerably more ambient.

That is just my luck - bands breaking up before one actually finds them
- and, it seems, the evolution of the shoegaze bands into ambient.
Sigh.

> The web adress is 
> http://tt.net/prospective

Thanks! There weren't much there, but I've at least sent them some
e-mail now - hopefully the records they have are still available.

 Cheers,
 //Erik 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:59:16 -0600
From: Brad Nicholson 
Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey

At 01:15 AM 26/04/98 +0200, you wrote:
>> I really need to get hold of whatever they have released, but I can't
>> remember if anyone posted info about where they hide on the net (if
>> at all?) or where their records are available? What label are they
>> signed to?
>
> That is just my luck - bands breaking up before one actually finds them
> - and, it seems, the evolution of the shoegaze bands into ambient.
> Sigh.

Better than shoegazer bands decending into pure crap a la Ride and Lush.

brad.

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:27:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: butterfly mcqueen 
Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey

>> I'm pretty sure that they have broken up.  They are/were on Prospective
>> Records.  They'ver released two albums, "Drop" which is the straight out
>> dreampop one, and Penetration, which is considerably more ambient.
>
> That is just my luck - bands breaking up before one actually finds them
> - and, it seems, the evolution of the shoegaze bands into ambient.
> Sigh.

nope.  they just decided to do an ambient album.  i actually saw them live
and talked to the bass player afterwards.  their show was comprised of stuff
from _drop_ and nothing from _penetration_.  i have both, and i'd definitely
recommend getting _drop_.  _penetration_, imho, is just second-rate ambience
and quite forgettable.

; e.e.

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:35:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: butterfly mcqueen 
Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey

> Better than shoegazer bands decending into pure crap a la Ride and Lush.

actually, i'm glad lush moved out of the shoegazing thing; their sound was
getting pretty tired, and it took on a new life with _split_ and _lovelife_.
but that said, _gala_ is my fav album by them.  (somehow, _spooky_ doesn't
do a single thing for me.)

but for me, if a shoegazing band is anything less than wonderful, it's
actually more tiresome to listen to than mediocre bands of other varieties.
the cliches, when not pulled off well, are SO ANNOYING!  give me generic
indie rock anyday when it comes down to that.

starflyer 69, kitchens of distinction, 7% solution, everything on
bedazzled... total disappointment.

quite opinionated today,

; e.e.

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:27:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: down with shoegazing, down w/ mediocrity! :-)

On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, butterfly mcqueen wrote:

>> Better than shoegazer bands decending into pure crap a la Ride and Lush.
> 
> actually, i'm glad lush moved out of the shoegazing thing; their sound was
> getting pretty tired, and it took on a new life with _split_ and _lovelife_.
> but that said, _gala_ is my fav album by them.  (somehow, _spooky_ doesn't
> do a single thing for me.)

From where I stand, SPLIT is the best overall of their 3 records:  I do
not count GALA, 'cause it's not a proper album; but rather a compilation
w/ a couple "exclusive" tracks ...

Spooky has it's moments; but I don't think Guthrie did much for it
in many cases, and some songs are are surely the worse for his production 
... It seems he really didn't have his "right head on" when he worked on
that on.  Sadly, anyone who knows about Robin's personal life
could imagine why that might be the case ...

> but for me, if a shoegazing band is anything less than wonderful, it's
> actually more tiresome to listen to than mediocre bands of other varieties.
> the cliches, when not pulled off well, are SO ANNOYING!  give me generic
> indie rock anyday when it comes down to that.
>
> starflyer 69, kitchens of distinction, 7% solution, everything on
> bedazzled... total disappointment.

Well, as I've mentioned before, I personally could do w/o the "shoegaze"
categorization  ....  But, i do understand what is _meant_ by the
category; and I wouldn't put "KITCHENS" in it!

It seems to me that the only thing which would really qualify them
to be put in a genre w/ someone like Slowdive, et al., is that the gtr.
player used a whole mess of Effects ....

Yes, I can see your point re. BEDAZZLED bands.  Yet, most of their
stuff I wouldn't think of as, if I must, "shoegaze."

One BEDAZZLED band, the orig. one, actually, isn't bad:  STRANGE
BOUTIQUE.  Some of their stuff is very good actually ... though, I have,
admittedly, some bias where they're concerned ...

In any case I don't think anyone has ever referred to Strange
Boutique as "shoegazers."  And if they had, then they would have had to
have a very different conception of the term than me!

Strange Boutique took their name, by the way [for anybody that
cares] from a MONOCHROME SET song ...
Because of the singer's sometimes dodgy fashion sense they [S.Boutique]
were embraced by the Goth-crowd:  leading them to being sort of falsely
identified as a Goth band -- a condition which didn't do them any favours
in the grand scheme of things ...

Okay then,
--M

PS ...last thing 'bout Bedazzled:  I've heard some mention that the
short lived ULTRA CHERRY VIOLET were a credible band along the lines of
slowdive or something [obviously NO ONE is quite like Slowdive! ...] ...
Yet, personally, I can't speak to the above ...  Which is pretty bad,
since I've been acquainted w/ everyone that played in the band ...
Erm, ... did see them play live once and one song still sticks in my head
as being very good ... oh, well, it doesn't seem there's much of a case to
be made here ...  But, all I know is, there are some out there who would
seem to want to make one ;-)

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:22:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lorraine Lelis 
Subject: lush albums

i am totally biased towards lush, and i love all the albums, but gala is
definitely the winner in my book.

i think that spooky is beautiful too, but in the way that women with
make-up on can look beautiful.  "gala" is the plain jane that's beautiful
without make-up.

actually, my *two* favorite lush releases are gala and the for love ep.
"starlust" is such perfect dreampop

lor

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