The Avalyn Digest

Today's Topics:
	 Oslo--ending
	 Magnog, slowdive MP3s
	 Re: Colfax Abbey + SF59
	 re:  useless lush trivia
	 re:  colfax abbey
	 re:  Windy & Carl
	 Re: Colfax Abbey
	 Leeds, UK, site of a thousand stars bursting
	 Re: Leeds, UK, site of a thousand stars bursting
	 Re: ALISON on Much Music
	 Re: useless lush trivia
	 Re: SF59, lush, etc.
	 Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons
	 Re: JAMC
	 Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons
	 Re: JAMC
	 piece of mind
	 Re: piece of mind
	 Re: piece of mind
	 Re: piece of mind
	 Re: help - shoe pie and david stack is a cunt
	 Re: Colfax Abbey

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:38:42 -0500
From: travis salisbury 
Subject: Oslo--ending

Does any one know what the music at the end of slowdive's set
on the Oslo tape was?

travis

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:02:54 -0500
From: Agent Cooper 
Subject: Magnog, slowdive MP3s

Hey there.

Just thought I'd say:
I like Magnog.

Also, can anyone here tell me if I did or did not put up She Calls and
Morningrise on my slowdive MP3 page? Erik doesn't think I did, but I
swear I remember doing so...

Agent

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:32:52 -0500
From: timethief@juno.com (Luis B. Abcede)
Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey + SF59

> COLFAX ABBEY
> I'll hunt down "drop" for sure - Luis? I suppose the clips you sent me
> were from drop as well, right? But they aren't still around? Does anyone
> know what happened, and where they are now?

Yeah, the MP3s I sent you were all from _Drop_.  I didn't have time to
MP3 anything from _Penetrate_, 'cos all the tracks are too long.  I
really don't know what happened to them after that.  It's safe to assume
they're now defunct like so many other great bands.  I don't know where
you can find the albums.  I bought _Penetrate_ from CDNow when it came
out in '96.  I found _Drop_ at Waterloo in Austin in '96 as well (suppose
that's a little out of reach, eh?).

Luis
timethief@juno.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 00:01:45 UT
From: "Lisa Johnson" 
Subject: re:  useless lush trivia

Expanding on the recommendation of the Lush "Gala" EP collection over their 
later efforts, I personally feel the best songs on "Gala" are from the "Scar" 
EP from July '89 (Lush's debut release).  This early material from the summer 
of '89 (with it's more aggressive guitar sound) predates the Th' Faith Healers 
more so than borrowing from the school of Robin Guthrie, with whom they began 
collaborating later that December.  Quite an abrupt shift in sound over 5 
months!

Scar EP:   "Baby Talk", "Thoughtforms", "Scarlet", "Bitter", "Second Sight", 
"Etheriel"

All of these songs are naturally available on "Gala", which can be obtained 
for less than the original EP, so...
I guess I'm done babbling now.

Gary

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 00:32:33 UT
From: "Lisa Johnson" 
Subject: re:  colfax abbey

Just found a sealed copy of Colfax Abbey's "Drop" at San Francisco's new 
Amoeba records store for $4.99 clearance... perhaps they have more in stock?  
And no, they still have no immediate plans for mailorder, so...

My first impression of "Drop" is that it SOUNDS great, due in no small part to 
Keith Cleversley's masterful production (Flaming Lips, Mercury Rev,...etc), 
with sonic textures reminiscent of the early Slowdive EP's wrapped around some 
catchy melodies.  Quite a jump to "Penetration", which calls to mind 
Labradford's debut release "Prazision" with it's cold, droning, electronic 
ambience.
If you see "Drop", pick it up!  Too bad they split up...

Re:  Pale Saints - their first EP was recorded Nov/Dec 1988

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 00:57:41 UT
From: "Lisa Johnson" 
Subject: re:  Windy & Carl

Fans of Windy & Carl should check out their collaborative effort with Randall 
Nieman of Fuxa under the name "Once Dreamt", which was released (vinyl only) 
on Blue Flea records in 1995.  Envision "Drawings of Sound" with moog and 
additional percussion... nice.
I found it 2 years ago in a clearance bin, but you can write to:

Blue Flea
25439 Stanford
Dearborn Heights, MI 48125 

Discovery of the Month:
Have any Moonshake fans come across their first EP "First"?
It was recorded in February '91(!) and released on Creation(!) later that 
year... it's amazing stuff!  Four songs + 1 untitled track, and Margaret 
handles ALL the vocals!  The entrancing rhythms and guitar textures recall 
Ecstasy of St. Theresa's best moments... if you're a fan of Laika, or if 
David's vocals keep you from enjoying Moonshake, this is what you need...

IMO:  Hard to believe this was released BEFORE MBV's "Loveless" (on Creation 
nonetheless), and virtually ignored by the press who instead championed the 
later LP "Eva Luna" (which pales by comparison)... go figure!

Best wishes,
Gary

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:07:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Selby 
Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey

> > I'm pretty sure that they have broken up.  They are/were on Prospective
> > Records.  They'ver released two albums, "Drop" which is the straight out
> > dreampop one, and Penetration, which is considerably more ambient.

Are you sure they've broken up?  A friend of mine saw them last summer in
minneapolis. i guess a lot can happen in a year, but....

Also, if anyone here is interested in february, you might want to look
into them in the very near future, as I hear they're probably going to be
breaking up in june when their bassist leaves... :(

erik: you might want to check let it be records in minneapolis for a
used/new copy of colfax abbey stuff - they always seem to have a copy in
whenever I'm in the store.  I think they have a web site at
www.letitbe.com (i vaguely remember them allowing online orders...)

jason.

- thanks to whoever was talking about Higher Intelligence agency in the
last week or two.. i decided to pick up their album colourform... i've
only listened to it a couple times, but i really like it so far.....

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:29:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: Leeds, UK, site of a thousand stars bursting

On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Lisa Johnson wrote:

> Re:  Pale Saints - their first EP was recorded Nov/Dec 1988

Yes:  BARGING INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD came out in 1989; and their first
record, THE COMFORTS OF MADNESS, cameo out the next yr. ...

Pale Saints are grrreat; well sometimes, at least :-)

Once, I was in Leeds and I saw Meriel hanging out after a Town and Country
Club gig:  this was neat - since I was visiting, and they're one of my
favourite bands ...

Anyone out there happen to know whether they've packed it in?

love,
--Michael [wishing I was in the North of England right now; or the South, 
for that matter]

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:41:19 -0600
From: Brad Nicholson 
Subject: Re: Leeds, UK, site of a thousand stars bursting

>> Re:  Pale Saints - their first EP was recorded Nov/Dec 1988
>
> Yes:  BARGING INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD came out in 1989; and their first
> record, THE COMFORTS OF MADNESS, cameo out the next yr. ...
>
> Pale Saints are grrreat; well sometimes, at least :-)
>
> Once, I was in Leeds and I saw Meriel hanging out after a Town and Country
> Club gig:  this was neat - since I was visiting, and they're one of my
> favourite bands ...
>
> Anyone out there happen to know whether they've packed it in?

Yes,

They packed it in shortly after the last album.  Actually, while on the
topic of the Pale Saints, where does "In Ribbons" fit into the scheme of
things.  It's the only one of their albums I have, and I've never really
gotten into it.  It's always struck me as kind of second rate.  Is this
pretty much typical of their sound?

brad.

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:27:52 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: ALISON on Much Music

wow all i have seen is the altvideos version

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:45:27 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: useless lush trivia

lush bsides are great
i have the japanese release of spooky
with falling in love and gods gift
and the cookie ep and topolino are great
i love all the lush albums
but that is just me
i love to see a band change sound lke they did

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:53:33 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: SF59, lush, etc.

sorry
but im a huge
JAMC fan and stoned and dethroned was great
some of the best songs they have done

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:14:45 +0300
From: Siim Kalder 
Subject: Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons

At 00:41 26.04.98 -0600, brad wrote:

>They packed it in shortly after the last album.  Actually, while on the
>topic of the Pale Saints, where does "In Ribbons" fit into the scheme of
>things.  It's the only one of their albums I have, and I've never really
>gotten into it.  It's always struck me as kind of second rate.  Is this
>pretty much typical of their sound?

Umm, second rate? In Ribbons album was the first thing I ever heard by Pale
Saints and it's still the best for me. It might be I'm the only one
fancying it that much but I seriously doubt that. I think In Ribbons has
the Pale Saints sound developed to the full and there are no scratches
spoiling the perfect listening experience. Or something like that. I think
Pale Saints has a pretty varied sound though - think of Kinky Love or
Porpoise (from about the same period as In Ribbons?), but I have had no
doubt until now, that In Ribbons is the _true_ Pale Saints, the sound
they've worked to achieve. Fellow Pale Saints listeners??

Greetings, Siim K.

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:14:42 -0700
From: "Matt" 
Subject: Re: JAMC

> sorry
> but im a huge
> JAMC fan and stoned and dethroned was great
> some of the best songs they have done


I definitely agree with you here.  S&D gives great insight into just how
good the JAMC are, and how solid their songs are.  Without any feedback or
distortion, the songs lay bare in front of you.  Not only some of the best
songs they've ever done, but some of the best songs *ever* done.  The new
stuff is really cool, but I don't think they'll ever top S&D...

Erik asked when Munki (the new JAMC album) will be out...June 1 in the UK
(Creation), June 2 in Germany (Creation/Epic/Sony Music), and June 9 in the
US (Subpop).

--Matt

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 04:31:47 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons

yes in ribbons is great
and i love slowbuildings as well

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 04:32:44 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: JAMC

yes i cant wait for munki

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:37:28 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: piece of mind

i had this discussion tonite with a fellow listee and was explaining
to him that one needs to open their mind up to music to find great
music

one cant dismiss things as blaaah if one has never heard them 

i consider the following composers as fundamental people who changed
the face of music. i will say that im only 20 but have a collection
of 700 cds that reflects this list in no order at all:

john cage
phillip glass
brian eno
pink floyd
the beatles
the byrds
miles davis
john coltrane
the velvet undergroun
u2 (the unforgtable fire to begin with)
my bloody valentine
S and the banshees
cocteau twins
sonic youth
radiohead
portishead head
led zepplin
the smtihs
david bowie
bahuaus
massive attack
pixies
nirvana 
and all though i hate them with a passion TOOL

please send me hate mail!!!
the way i see slowdive
take 
the beatles
pink floyd (for atmospherics)
the byrds (i.e. eight miles high)
cocteau twins
my bloody valenine
and a hint of miles davis


now mojave 3
nick drake
leonard cohen
dylan
the byrds (the later folk years)
cocteau twins (victorialand)

i see hints of all the above
im sure some will disagree

one odd connection between u2 and slowdive
eno produced sing and here she comes
eno worked with the following bands

devo
john cale
u2
james
slowidve
massive attack

this is my mindless rambling
sorry
steve

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:49:20 EDT
From: Suedehead0 
Subject: Re: piece of mind

why does such make this person necessarily closed minded?  perhaps he/she has
heard this music before and perhaps he/she just happens to dislike it.
dislike does not make one inherently closed minded.  or perhaps he/she is just
lazy.

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:04:51 +0100
From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
Subject: Re: piece of mind

what? no ramones? essential... punk was pretty much influenced by them...

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:05:47 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: piece of mind

yes punk to
i dont see punk in slowdive
i see jesus and mary chain though

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:57:27 +0100
From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
Subject: Re: help - shoe pie and david stack is a cunt

shoe pie for $34?????? screw that!!!!! shoe pie was a cd that was given away
FREE last year when you bought a pair of doc martens. there are copies all over
the place here. they arent that expensive either!!!!! all the songs on the
compilation are available elsewhere so why bother??? fucking david stack... $50
for the slowdive ep... bootlegs... $34 for shoe pie... how does he get away

with it???? i cant wait to see how much he charges for the anakin compilation
when he gets his hands on some copies... just remember kids... that is a free
cd too!!!!!!!!! there are a shitload of copies floating around london at the
moment...

yeah. i agree with that matthew whatsisface wanker on the fact that its wrong
that someone can "offer" you a slowdive cd single for $50 with a straight face.
there is something really wrong with that... look i saw a copy of outside your
room in a store near my place the other day for £7-. so if anyone wants it,

they can have it for £7-. yeah, i'll go and get it if someone wants it, just
send me the money and i'll mail it to you... but the catch is, you gotta pay
postage. i dont mind going and getting it for someone, but i dont want it to
cost me... just dont fucking pay $50 for it though... thats just stupid...

sorry, im just in a foul mood today, but if anyone wants that cd then let me
know ok?

| what is the deal with shoe pie?  i see that mr. stack is selling
| it for $34, is it really worth that?  anyway, any info would
| be appreciated.  thanks.
|
| sara

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:31:32 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey

so does anyone know if colfax abbey is still together?

wade

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