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Today's Topics:
	 Question
	 re:  Windy & Carl
	 Re: Steve's all-knowing master list
	 Re: pale saints
	 Re: recommendations
	 pale saints
	 Re: useless lush trivia
	 Re: useless lush trivia
	 Re: useless lush trivia
	 Re: help - shoe pie and david stack is a cunt
	 Punk ideal vs. punk-rock
	 Re: Question
	 Re: pale saints
	 Re: Question
	 Re: Oslo--ending Slowdive/Eno
	 Re: Colfax Abbey
	 Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons
	 Re: JAMC
	 Re: JAMC
	 Re: JAMC

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:46:55 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Question

Can anyone tell me what moonshake, Ecstasy of St. theresea albums are 
good?  

wade

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:01:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Claire De Leon! 
Subject: re:  Windy & Carl

> Fans of Windy & Carl should check out their collaborative effort with Randall 
> Nieman of Fuxa under the name "Once Dreamt", which was released (vinyl only) 
> on Blue Flea records in 1995.  Envision "Drawings of Sound" with moog and 
> additional percussion... nice.
> I found it 2 years ago in a clearance bin, but you can write to:
> 
> Blue Flea
> 25439 Stanford
> Dearborn Heights, MI 48125 
> 
Pretty sure these are all long OOP, as many mailorder places have them
jacked up to collector prices...esp. in the UK...but yr right, this is
good shit!


> Discovery of the Month:
> Have any Moonshake fans come across their first EP "First"?
> It was recorded in February '91(!) and released on Creation(!) later that 
> year... it's amazing stuff!  Four songs + 1 untitled track, and Margaret 
> handles ALL the vocals!  The entrancing rhythms and guitar textures recall 
> Ecstasy of St. Theresa's best moments... if you're a fan of Laika, or if 
> David's vocals keep you from enjoying Moonshake, this is what you need...

Good lord yes! I couldn't agree more! A funny story here - when my CDs
were stolen, I also got Ecstacy and Wine stolen, and cried my sob story to
carl of W&C who just happened to have an extra on LP, and when he was at
my house, he saw my Moonshake First 12" and said "I'll trade you..." so
needless to say I did...and luckily found another copy of First for 1.5
UK pounds!! Hooray!!

daniel

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:07:29 -0500
From: Agent Cooper 
Subject: Re: Steve's all-knowing master list

> sonic youth

Uh, ok - so you put Sonic Youth on the list, but I didn't see Glenn Branca
mentioned anywhere.

This is a problem.

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:20:30 +0600
From: box-and-whiskers 
Subject: Re: pale saints

>>> Re:  Pale Saints - their first EP was recorded Nov/Dec 1988

yup, and if you count their song 'children break' which is included on a
flexi, then summer '88.

> Actually, while on the
> topic of the Pale Saints, where does "In Ribbons" fit into the scheme of
> things.  

it's their second full-length album (1992), between _the comforts of
madness_ (1990) and _slow buildings_ (1994).

> It's the only one of their albums I have, and I've never really
> gotten into it.  It's always struck me as kind of second rate.  Is this
> pretty much typical of their sound?

well, yes and no.  i've found that each pale saints album has a sound all
its own, but all distinctively 'pale saints' nonetheless (sorta like each
mbv album sounds completely different, but still recognizable as mbv).
hmmm.  well, i've always liked _in ribbons_ (it was actually one of the
first 'shoegaze' albums i heard), but for pale saints at their prime, i'd
suggest either the aforementioned _comforts_ (only available on 4ad u.k
release -- fluffy kitty on the cover), or the _mrs. dolphin_ compilation
(japanese-only 4ad release -- though it's hard to find in the first place,
and even more difficult for less than $30!).  btw, if anyone has been
looking for _comforts_, i've seen a few copies floating around here in
recent months...

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:33:57 -0500 (EST)
From: bLenDER 
Subject: Re: recommendations

> what is wrong with new age? 
> 
> >dreampop with out the pop
> >but dream music sounds WAY too new age...

Well, for example, I have Aphex Twin's Selected Ambient Works.  Some of
the music on that sounds very new age.  So what is the difference between
Ambient and New Age?  Well, I'd say there's usually some sort of
philosophy or spirituality behind most new age, whereas ambient is music
for the sake of music, sound, etc.  I personally find most New Age ideals
kind of silly.  Wait, I take that back.  I find the people who translate
the ideas into practice kind of silly, and if you call your music New Age,
you will be associated in that group.

I don't drink, smoke, do any drugs, or eat meat, yet I don't call myself
straight edge (I'd rather be Ben than take on a group philosophy), and I
make ambient music, but I don't call it new age.

It's all a point of reference, I guess.  

smiles...

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:54:02 PDT
From: "Pearson Greer" 
Subject: pale saints

In Ribbons is the only Pale Saints cd i own, i heard the one that didnt 
have Ian Masters and dont remember it making much of an impression on 
me. i like IR a lot, especially the first two songs and Hairshoes,but in 
comparison to those, the rest of the album is a bit of a let down but 
anyways...
i asked this next question on the 4ad list and got no response (guess 
they'd gone deaf listening to the Paladins or something equally icky), 
so here goes- whats a good place to start with Dif Juz? i've only heard 
the song "no motion" off the Joyride soundtrack and i liked it a 
lot.what the heck does that name mean anyways? (Dif Juz i mean) 
-pearson

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:57:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lorraine Lelis 
Subject: Re: useless lush trivia

On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Catchbreez wrote:

> lush bsides are great
> i have the japanese release of spooky
> with falling in love and gods gift

lush b-sides are definitely not to be missed... "astronaut" on the for
love ep is a gem for any daydreamer, and same with "fallin' in love" and
"god's gift" which are on the black spring ep.  

not to mention "starlust" on the for love ep, "carmen" and "plums and
oranges" on the ladykillers single, and of course phil king's "cul de sac"
on the single girl single...

lor

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:28:22 +0100
From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
Subject: Re: useless lush trivia

but what about love at first sight on the hypocrite single??? that is an
awesome single...

| On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Catchbreez wrote:
|
| > lush bsides are great
| > i have the japanese release of spooky
| > with falling in love and gods gift
|
| lush b-sides are definitely not to be missed... "astronaut" on the for
| love ep is a gem for any daydreamer, and same with "fallin' in love" and
| "god's gift" which are on the black spring ep.
|
| not to mention "starlust" on the for love ep, "carmen" and "plums and
| oranges" on the ladykillers single, and of course phil king's "cul de sac"
| on the single girl single...
|
| lor

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:34:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lorraine Lelis 
Subject: Re: useless lush trivia

absolutely!  that, and "white wood," and "cat's chorus" which are on
either the hypocrite or the desire lines eps...i forget...


On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 davebp@postmaster.co.uk wrote:

> but what about love at first sight on the hypocrite single??? that is an
> awesome single...
> 
> | On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Catchbreez wrote:
> |
> | > lush bsides are great
> | > i have the japanese release of spooky
> | > with falling in love and gods gift
> |
> | lush b-sides are definitely not to be missed... "astronaut" on the for
> | love ep is a gem for any daydreamer, and same with "fallin' in love" and
> | "god's gift" which are on the black spring ep.
> |
> | not to mention "starlust" on the for love ep, "carmen" and "plums and
> | oranges" on the ladykillers single, and of course phil king's "cul de sac"
> | on the single girl single...
> |
> | lor

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:58:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: Re: help - shoe pie and david stack is a cunt

Yes, all what you said is the point I agreed on with our Falconer friend
Where does Mr. Stacker come up with such nonsensical prices?

In any case it seems absurd to offer such jacked up things to THIS
list ...  I mean, sod it!

w/ the common good in mind,
best, 
michael

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:06:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: Punk ideal vs. punk-rock

On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Catchbreez wrote:

> yes punk to
> i dont see punk in slowdive
> i see jesus and mary chain though

PUNK can be thought of as a state of mind; a way  of approaching things
...  As opposed to "punk rock" which we can say is a particular sort
of sound ....
	In the former context I agree [don't know where this all got
started from however?]
	JAMC; I would definitely say had/have a Punk ethic ...   I might
say Slowdive had such to an equal or greater degree; but I'm really not
sure cos I've got a better idea of the mary chain's history and what not
...
later
--M

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:16:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Claire De Leon! 
cc: avalyn@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Question

> Can anyone tell me what moonshake, Ecstasy of St. theresea albums are 
> good?  

Moonshake-First EP is the only one that's "thislisty". ALL EOST stuff is
amazing! well, not amazing but good.

daniel

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:35:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: Re: pale saints

On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, box-and-whiskers wrote:

> > Actually, while on the
> > topic of the Pale Saints, where does "In Ribbons" fit into the scheme of
> > things.  
> 
> it's their second full-length album (1992), between _the comforts of
> madness_ (1990) and _slow buildings_ (1994).
> 
> > It's the only one of their albums I have, and I've never really
> > gotten into it.  It's always struck me as kind of second rate.  Is this
> > pretty much typical of their sound?

Hmm, your first rate must sure be super-duper!  "In Ribbons" found PSaints
in top form!  I think it's excellent, overall ...

> well, yes and no.  i've found that each pale saints album has a sound all
> its own, but all distinctively 'pale saints' nonetheless (sorta like each
> mbv album sounds completely different, but still recognizable as mbv).
> hmmm.  well, i've always liked _in ribbons_ (it was actually one of the
> first 'shoegaze' albums i heard), 

	Oh boy, here you all go w/ shoegazing again ..... have you seen
them live?
	I don't know that the press even lumped them in that much w/ the
rest of the lot after comin up w/ the hopelessly useless Shoegaze
tag ...

Some other fun Brit Press creations:  ROMO, NEW GRAVE, BRITPOP, GOTHIC
[dunno who came up w/ that one, but it was due to Bauhaus [which is so
laughable in retrospect]; etc. ...  C'mon, help me out:  the list is
almost never-ending :-)

> but for pale saints at their prime, i'd
> suggest either the aforementioned _comforts_ (only available on 4ad u.k
> release -- fluffy kitty on the cover), 

To me their prime is In Ribbons; or if ya wanna talk EPs, try the a-side
to HALF-LIFE(remembered):  the song, of the same name, is brilliant, from
where I sit :-)

> or the _mrs. dolphin_ compilation
> (japanese-only 4ad release -- though it's hard to find in the first place,
> and even more difficult for less than $30!).

Yeah but doesn't it just have a couple songs on?

> btw, if anyone has been
> looking for _comforts_, i've seen a few copies floating around here in
> recent months...

I really feel IN RIBBONS to be superior.  If ya get the CD in the US, at
least, you get the wonderful EP [name 's escaping me right now] as well
which has their brilliant interpretation of "Blue Flower!" 

ok, i'm 'outie'
--m

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:20:45 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Question

>> Can anyone tell me what moonshake, Ecstasy of St. theresea albums are 
>> good?  
> 
> ALL EOST stuff is amazing! well, not amazing but good.

I disagree - the "Fluidtrance Centauri" (93) single is a masterpiece,
but the AstralaVista e.p. (94) is far far away from good. I suppose
it's because all songs are remixes (Disco Inferno, Twin Freaks -
Simon Dine and Wubble-U, Bandulu and one by EoST themselves)
as their own, in the original versions, are gorgeous. That is to
say that the album "Free-D Original Soundtrack" is great.

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I have actually spent the day at work today writing a filter removing
this extremely big .sig (which really could easily fit on one single
line instead of 14...) - though it doesn't work on the mailing list
directly - only on the Digests (which I format through a program I'm
constantly adding "remove-items" to - hotmail / juno / freemail sigs
for example.) So if you're looking for "clean" digests, just check
the archive (http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html)

I guess I could translate the java to perl or something and stick
it in the procmail filters directly on the list, but I'll have to
find the time for that and try it out on a test list first. 

Now don't take this personally Daniel but it is pretty big,
especially on a mailing list. I'm all for big sigs in private mail,
where it doesn't reach more than one person, but when the sig
is bigger than the actual content of the message which reaches
300+ people, it's rather annoying.

 //Erik 

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:26:19 EDT
From: ALTONBARNS 
Subject: Re: Oslo--ending Slowdive/Eno

The piece of music used to end the OSLO Slowdive show is:

Brian Eno - An Ending (Ascent) 4:18 - from the album: Apollo EGCD53

Great ambient album! The music was used for the official  NASA Apollo film
which is also excellent. I suppose Slowdive used this due to the connection
with Mr Eno! 

Ant

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:32:58 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey

[Colfax Abbey]

> erik: you might want to check let it be records in minneapolis for a
> used/new copy of colfax abbey stuff - they always seem to have a copy in
> whenever I'm in the store.  I think they have a web site at
> www.letitbe.com (i vaguely remember them allowing online orders...)

Thanks! I checked it out and they had it - and also allowed online
orders from wherever in the world (though their SSL certificate was
outdated) - so I sent them some mail. US $17.99 + intl. shipping
is pretty steep tho' so I'll look around some more. (Especially
as Gary found a sealed copy for $4.99...)

 //Erik 

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:44:27 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons

> Umm, second rate? In Ribbons album was the first thing I ever heard by Pale
> Saints and it's still the best for me. It might be I'm the only one
> fancying it that much but I seriously doubt that. I think In Ribbons has
> the Pale Saints sound developed to the full and there are no scratches
> spoiling the perfect listening experience. Or something like that. I think
> Pale Saints has a pretty varied sound though - think of Kinky Love or
> Porpoise (from about the same period as In Ribbons?), but I have had no
> doubt until now, that In Ribbons is the _true_ Pale Saints, the sound
> they've worked to achieve. Fellow Pale Saints listeners??

In Ribbons was the first PS I heard as well, and like you, I rate it
as their best - though I know most people who got to the Comforts
of Madness first put their money on that one. It is pretty common
isn't it? Spooky was the first Lush record I actually *bought* - I
had heard songs from earlier records before that, but never got around
buying any of them - so somehow I tend to go with Spooky whenever I
feel a need for some Lush (even though I do have Scar, Mad Love etc.)
Just For A Day was the first Slowdive record I bought, and... well,
you know what I'm going to say. ;)

 //Erik 

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:52:34 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: JAMC

> Erik asked when Munki (the new JAMC album) will be out...June 1 in the UK
> (Creation), June 2 in Germany (Creation/Epic/Sony Music), and June 9 in the
> US (Subpop).

It's not far away now then! My eyes catched a promo for their next single
"I Love Rock'n'Roll" yesterday, but I won't get it in my hands until
next week. Has anyone heard it? I guess it has been released to the
radio?

 //Erik

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:44:20 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: JAMC

I heard from a reliable JAMC fan(who got a promo of Munki) that the 
new album kicks ass.  He say's the beats are mad, and it's mostly 
fast, hard and catchy old skool  JAMC.

wade

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:04:24 -0700
From: "Matt" 
Subject: Re: JAMC

> It's not far away now then! My eyes catched a promo for their next single
> "I Love Rock'n'Roll" yesterday, but I won't get it in my hands until
> next week. Has anyone heard it? I guess it has been released to the
> radio?

Wade's friend isn't the only one to have an advance copy...they're
everywhere.  I haven't heard the whole album, though I've heard "I Love Rock
N' Roll", and I'll be the first to tell you it rocks, great song.  All the
new stuff I've heard is great.  Erik, is that promo you saw a one track
promo, or does it have b-sides?  Last I heard was that there were no plans
to release "I Love Rock N' Roll" as a single, so I'm happy that they decided
to.  The more b-sides the better, especially with a band like the Mary
Chain.

--Matt

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