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Today's Topics:
	 Re: Colfax Abbey
	 Re: JAMC
	 Re: Oslo--ending Slowdive/Eno
	 Colfax Abbey *NEWS*
	 Re: Colfax Abbey
	 Re: help - shoe pie and david stack is a cunt
	 NY Shows
	 Re: dif juz
	 Re: recommendations
	 Re: Punk ideal vs. punk-rock
	 Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons
	 re:  Pale Saints
	 Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons
	 re:  more underappreciated music
	 Re: pale saints dolphins
	 silvania (was re:  Pale Saints)
	 sianspheric (was re:  more underappreciated music)
	 Re: pale saints dolphins
	 CD swaps?

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:26:37 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey

> [Colfax Abbey]
>
>> erik: you might want to check let it be records in minneapolis for a
>> used/new copy of colfax abbey stuff - they always seem to have a copy in
>> whenever I'm in the store.  I think they have a web site at
>> www.letitbe.com (i vaguely remember them allowing online orders...)
>
> Thanks! I checked it out and they had it - and also allowed online
> orders from wherever in the world (though their SSL certificate was
> outdated) - so I sent them some mail. US $17.99 + intl. shipping
> is pretty steep tho' so I'll look around some more. (Especially
> as Gary found a sealed copy for $4.99...)

With the help of another listie (thanks emily!) I found it at 
Music Boulevard for $11.99 (with $10.00 off when you register the
first time it was a bargain ;)) who's site I actually searched
last week, but it wasn't there then! Same thing with Hash Jar Tempo,
last week - nope, this week - yes. I wonder if they check the
"none found" results and order these items when enough such
results have passed some kind of "get this" limit? If not it
is pretty spooky they get the stuff I'm searching for there
within a few days.

 //Erik 

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:32:45 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: JAMC

[Jesus And Mary Chain]

> Wade's friend isn't the only one to have an advance copy...they're
> everywhere.

Damn, they're not everywhere around here. Well, maybe they are, but
everyone keeps them. :-/

> I haven't heard the whole album, though I've heard "I Love Rock
> N' Roll", and I'll be the first to tell you it rocks, great song.
> All the new stuff I've heard is great.  Erik, is that promo you
> saw a one track promo, or does it have b-sides?  Last I heard
> was that there were no plans to release "I Love Rock N' Roll"
> as a single, so I'm happy that they decided to.  The more b-sides
> the better, especially with a band like the Mary Chain.

They said it was a finished promo, so I guess it should have b-sides
and be released as a "full single" as well. I've seen a 1-track promo
around as well though, but hopefully this isn't one of them.

 //Erik

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:35:49 -0500
From: John Van 
Subject: Re: Oslo--ending Slowdive/Eno

ALTONBARNS wrote:

> The piece of music used to end the OSLO Slowdive show is:
> 
> Brian Eno - An Ending (Ascent) 4:18 - from the album: Apollo EGCD53
> 
> Great ambient album! The music was used for the official  NASA Apollo film
> which is also excellent. I suppose Slowdive used this due to the connection
> with Mr Eno!

 Yes, and the intro music to OSLO was Brian Eno's "Deep Blue Day",
 which was incidentally used in the toilet scene in Trainspotting.

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:56:53 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Colfax Abbey *NEWS*

Hey you know I said I emailed the guys at Prospective Records
about Colfax Abbey yesterday, and I just got this answer (and
isn't it beautiful?):

- Hi Erik,
-
- Guess what Colfax Abbey didn't break up! they are just kind of inactive
- right now dealing with some personal things, and the guitair player did
- leave but  plans are on to start a new record with Ed Ackerson (Polaria,
- attenna, 27 various) as for buying their records you can  either go online
- to  http://www.cdnow.com or do it  direct from us $12 each , plus
- shipping, you can also download the record at  http://www.tt.net/lounge
- or at least here more samples.
-
- Thanks for your intrest,
- Chris


I just checked the lounge with the samples (they're listed both under
"Lo-fi" (!) and "Bliss") and you need the Liquid Audio player to
listen, but there's a lot of samples there (short though...)

Now if we only could get answers this easily from Ryko...

 //Erik 

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Date: 27 Apr 98 13:45:46 
From: Teresa Sampson 
Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey

I don't know that they've broken up.  I saw them last July or August in Los 
Angeles.  They were going to be touring for a little bit and then taking time 
off to do little things like returning to their regular jobs, getting married, 
moving, etc.  But then again, anything could happen in 9 month's time.

Cheers,
Teresa

>> I'm pretty sure that they have broken up.  They are/were on Prospective
>> Records.  They'ver released two albums, "Drop" which is the straight out
>> dreampop one, and Penetration, which is considerably more ambient.

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:01:30 EDT
From: Rephlex00 
Subject: Re: help - shoe pie and david stack is a cunt

Where about in britain are you, email me if some1 hasnt alrady asked to take u
up on your offer

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:41:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lorraine Lelis 
Subject: NY Shows

Here again plugging my band...

Hala Star is playing two dates this weekend!  Please come as these may be
our last...

Sunday, May 3
Brownie's, NYC
8pm
with Velour 100

Saturday, May 2
Vassar College- Founder's Day Festival!
Poughkeepsie, NY
12:15 pm
with Johnathan Fire*eater


what a busy weekend, and i have finals on top of that...

:P

lorraine :D

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:02:37 +0600
From: box-and-whiskers 
Subject: Re: dif juz

> i asked this next question on the 4ad list and got no response (guess 
> they'd gone deaf listening to the Paladins or something equally icky),

either that, or they're too concerned with their catalogue numbers or
something.  anyway...
 
> so here goes- whats a good place to start with Dif Juz? i've only heard 
> the song "no motion" off the Joyride soundtrack and i liked it a 
> lot.

yes, 'no motion' is an excellent song.  well, their album _extractions_ on
4ad (on which 'no motion' was included on later issues, if i'm not mistaken)
is quite good and pretty much in the same vein -- very nice guitar-based
instrumental pieces.  it seems to be the only 'readily available' dif juz
release; i'm not quite sure whether anything else is still in print.
occasionally their _out of the trees_ lp can be found, while their earlier
12"s like _huremics_ and _vibrating air_ are quite rare.  anyone know
anything more?

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:34:24 -0600 (MDT)
From: michael maes 
Subject: Re: recommendations

i disagree to some point on the new age/sprituality correlation. 
There are some out there that connect that way... spiritually.

but that new age/spiritual/utopian vision, is very diffused now..

New age music is just like shoegaze, just a term to describe the "type" of
music even thought it is a useless reference,,, for the most part


At 09:33 AM 4/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> what is wrong with new age? 
>> 
>>> dreampop with out the pop
>>> but dream music sounds WAY too new age...
>
> Well, for example, I have Aphex Twin's Selected Ambient Works.  Some of
> the music on that sounds very new age.  So what is the difference between
> Ambient and New Age?  Well, I'd say there's usually some sort of
> philosophy or spirituality behind most new age, whereas ambient is music
> for the sake of music, sound, etc.  I personally find most New Age ideals
> kind of silly.  Wait, I take that back.  I find the people who translate
> the ideas into practice kind of silly, and if you call your music New Age,
> you will be associated in that group.
>
> I don't drink, smoke, do any drugs, or eat meat, yet I don't call myself
> straight edge (I'd rather be Ben than take on a group philosophy), and I
> make ambient music, but I don't call it new age.
>
> It's all a point of reference, I guess.  
>
> smiles...

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:12:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: midglider 
Subject: Re: Punk ideal vs. punk-rock

slowdive and punk- that's intriguing...

I once heard Thurston Moore scraping a beer can over
his pickup at the end of 100% at a live Sonic Youth
show. It gave me a similiar sort of "fuck-you"
abandonment that I got from some Slowdive guitar
passages...


---Michael Gilham  wrote:

>> yes punk to
>> i dont see punk in slowdive
>> i see jesus and mary chain though
> 
> PUNK can be thought of as a state of mind; a way of approaching things
> ...  As opposed to "punk rock" which we can say is a particular sort
> of sound ....
> 	In the former context I agree [don't know where this all got
> started from however?]
> 	JAMC; I would definitely say had/have a Punk ethic...   I might
> say Slowdive had such to an equal or greater degree; but I'm really not
> sure cos I've got a better idea of the mary chain's history and what not
> ...
> later
> --M

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:16:53 EDT
From: SkyFireRed 
Subject: Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons

<< At 00:41 26.04.98 -0600, brad wrote:
 
"Actually, while on the topic of the Pale Saints, where does "In Ribbons"
fit into the scheme of things.  It's the only one of their albums I have, and
I've never really gotten into it.  It's always struck me as kind of second
rate . . ."

jesus--is this a joke??  ive always considered "in ribbons" one of the most
magical, inspirational, wondrous, blissful albums ever released.  forgive me
for being defensive, but i find it depressing that there are actually people
out there who consider this second rate.  no wonder so much shit music fills
the airwaves.

a bit opinionated,
james

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 04:11:46 UT
From: "Lisa Johnson" 
Subject: re:  Pale Saints

I guess I'm partial to the Pale Saints recordings with Ian Masters, they're a 
bit more complex and varied in their sound:

Barging in on the Presence of God EP(1988)
Half-Life EP (1990)
In the Comforts of Madness LP (1990)
...am I forgetting anything???

Moonshake are definitely one of those bands I have a severe love/hate 
relationship with... but like Daniel said, you just can't go wrong with 
"First" (1991)

Re:  Ecstacy of St. Theresa  I have to agree with Erik that "Fluidtrance 
Centauri" is where it's at, with "Free-D Soundtrack" a close second... 
definitely the more ambient/electronic of the two releases, with the remix CD 
a bit disappointing.  Which, come to think of it, is a similar progression in 
sound to that which Silvania have followed... that is to say IMO "En Cielo de 
Oceano" (1993) is a masterpiece, with the more electronic "Paisajes III" 
(1994) only slightly less stunning, and the remix CD "Delay Tambor" the least 
appealing (or so I hear)... any comments?  

Peace
Gary

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:36:01 EDT
From: Espsummer 
Subject: Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons

second rate............that was so harsh......ian masters of
the pale saints/spoonfed hybrid fame has the best voice i  think i have ever
heard.  I think the song "hairshoe" for example is one of the most stunning
songs ever to come out of this shoegazing genre of music.
You could not have given the album much of a chance...........

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 04:38:01 UT
From: "Lisa Johnson" 
Subject: re:  more underappreciated music

Curious as to everyone's opinion re:  Bailter Space's "Robot World" (1993).  
I'm a huge fan of all NZ pop (Clean, Chills, Snapper, etc.), but would have to 
recommend this particular release for fans of early Slowdive, Ride, and even 
MBV (check-out "Shine" from the AIM EP).

Any news on the release date for the new Sianspheric CD?
I checked their website a month ago and they were only just planning to record 
an EP... which is odd considering the 1/4 page ad they placed in AP for a new 
LP earlier this spring... perhaps I was hallucinating again.  Regardless, 
"Somnium" is wonderful dreampop in the vein of early Verve, released way back 
in '95... and "I Like the Ride" is one of the more inspired songs of the 
decade!

Babbling again
Gary 

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:41:50 EDT
From: Espsummer 
Subject: Re: pale saints dolphins

i have never seen this disc in my life and would easily pay 30
dollars for it...............ugh.......i can't believe someone
called them second rate......i like them  just as much as
slowdive if not more.  The "dolphins" cd is a treasure because
it basically contains all the hard to find b-sides

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:52:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: butterfly mcqueen 
Subject: silvania (was re:  Pale Saints)

> a bit disappointing.  Which, come to think of it, is a similar progression in
> sound to that which Silvania have followed... that is to say IMO "En Cielo de
> Oceano" (1993) is a masterpiece, with the more electronic "Paisajes III" 
> (1994) only slightly less stunning, and the remix CD "Delay Tambor" the least
>appealing (or so I hear)... any comments?  

a masterpiece?  hardly!  i'm listening to it right now, and it's quite
pleasant at times, but they really border on cheesiness, especially with
those vocals.  do you know that they're singing about trees and the goddamn
fucking sky?!  ;)  the songwriting is pretty weak as well.  i think i prefer
_paisaje iii_ for that reason -- less pretense.  _delay tambor_, however,
bored the hell out of me.  but that may be because autechre-type electronica
bores me in general.

; e.e.

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:58:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: butterfly mcqueen 
Subject: sianspheric (was re:  more underappreciated music)

> Any news on the release date for the new Sianspheric CD?
> I checked their website a month ago and they were only just planning to
> record an EP... which is odd considering the 1/4 page ad they placed in
> AP for a new LP earlier this spring... perhaps I was hallucinating again.
> Regardless, "Somnium" is wonderful dreampop in the vein of early Verve,
> released way back in '95... and "I Like the Ride" is one of the more
> inspired songs of the decade!

on the contrary, i thought _somnium_ was mediocre for the most part.  hell,
not just mediocre but quite tedious to listen to.  they get pretty close to
the cavernous reverb textures of early verve, but sound isn't shit by
itself, especially if you're attempting songs in the straightforward sense.
that said, there are maybe 3 songs on the album that i kind of like.  the
21+ min. ambient track at the end isn't bad, either.

quite negative tonight,

; e.e.

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:52:14 -0600
From: Brad Nicholson 
Subject: Re: pale saints dolphins

pardon the cut and paste, but there's no point in sending two posts on one
topic.

At 12:36 AM 28/04/98 -0400, Espsummer wrote:

> second rate............that was so harsh......ian masters of
> the pale saints/spoonfed hybrid fame has the best voice i  think i have ever
> heard.  I think the song "hairshoe" for example is one of the most stunning
> songs ever to come out of this shoegazing genre of music.
> You could not have given the album much of a chance...........

Not true.  I've had it for a good three years, and quite honestly, I've
given it a more than fair chance.  I know better than to judge music on
first listen, as a large portion of the bands I love (like Slowdive, mbv,
and Spiritualized, for example), take time to grow on me before the full
brilliance of their work sets in.  I've listened to "In Ribbons" well over
two dozen times (more than enough for me to decide whether or not i like
something), and it just doesn't do it for me.

Actually, Hairshoes is the only song on the album that i like (but what an
unfortunate title).


At 11:16 PM 27/04/98 -0400 SkyFireRed you wrote:

> jesus--is this a joke??  

Um, no.  I don't really care for the Pale Saints.  Pardon me for expressing
an opinion.

> ive always considered "in ribbons" one of the most
> magical, inspirational, wondrous, blissful albums ever released.  

That would be because everybody has different tastes.  In my opinion, the
song writing is kind of lacking, and the guitar work doesn't really
interest me.  I would agree that Ian Master's has a good voice, but I don't
think that it is that great.  Remember, key words, "In My Opinion".

> forgive me
> for being defensive, but i find it depressing that there are actually people
> out there who consider this second rate.  no wonder so much shit music fills
> the airwaves.

Actually, I do a radio show, and have for nearly 4 years, featuring
indiepop/dreampop/electronic/"space rock", ect.  I would imagine that a
good number of people on this list would probably quite enjoy my show,
seeing how i play a good 90% of the stuff that's discussed here, and then
some.  There's a lot of emphasis placed on shoegaze stuff, and I  have of
fair collection of EP's and hard to find albums to draw on.  For a year and
a half, I used to kick each show of with a Slowdive song, and quite
honestly, at least every two or three weeks, I would get a call wanting to
know what the hell was playing, and where they could find it.  Sorry, but I
fail to see how not liking the Pale Saints correlates into poor radio
programming, unless you consider introducing people to things such as the
beauty of Slowdive poor radio.

brad.
   
ps- I'm not trying to offend the Pale Saints fans here, I was simply
wondering if "In Ribbons" was representative of their sound, because if it
wasn't, I was going to give them another chance.

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:07:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gage Crump 
Subject: CD swaps?

I just bought 60 blank CDs at a dollar a pot and am wondering if there is
are any people out there who have access to a CD burner who would like to
trade CD-Rs of out of print stuff (I'm against bootlegging things that are
readily available, so don't ask). I will not sell anything so please do
not ask. I only wish to trade for CD-Rs of music which is near impossible
to find otherwise. I have the following on CD which I think are now fairly
rare:

Blue Day - Slowdive
Outside your Room- Slowdive
Ecstasy and Wine - MBV
This Is Your Blood Valentine - MBV
Mrs. Dolphin - Pale Saints
Eyes Wide e.p. - Blind Mr.Jones
Crazy Jazz e.p. - Blind Mr. Jones
Engine Common, Fountain Island, Glass Arcade - Sarah Records comps
Waaaaah CD - Sarah bands comp.
Coastal - Field Mice
For Keeps - Field Mice
Snowball - Field Mice
Sunburst e.p. - Chapterhouse

and I'm sure several others which I can't think of right now. you can look
at http://devbio-mac1.ucsf.edu/gage/gage5.html for others if you want.

I'm interested in stuff such as Freefall e.p. from Chapterhouse,
Telescopes e.p.'s, Slowdive/Holding Our Breath e.p.s (well, really just
Avalyn II and Golden Hair), Moonshakes "Creation" first e.p., anything
else by Field Mice, other Sarah Record comp's, Stereolab's Amorphous,
Northern Picture Library's "Blue Dissolve", Ecstasy of Saint Theresa's
first, and other stuff that would cost exorbitantly at collector's
prices.

Again, I'm only interested in CD-Rs of rare/very hard to find music. I
already have some of the above stuff taped (but my tapes are very bad by
now since I recorded the stuff many years ago and they won't last much
longer). CD-Rs of rare vinyl are OK too. And of course I'd trade for the 
real things if anyone really wanted to do that. My record player is pretty
crappy and I don't really have a tape player anymore. 

Its probably best that you respond privately so as to not clutter the
lise. And sorry for the lengthy message to those of you not interested

-gage

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