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Today's Topics:
	 Re: pale saints
	 Re: recommendations
	 Re: help - shoe pie and david stack is a cunt
	 Re: pale saints
	 Re: useless lush trivia
	 Re: useless lush trivia
	 Re: JAMC
	 Re: Oslo--ending Slowdive/Eno
	 re:  more underappreciated music
	 Re: JAMC
	 Blind mr. jones
	 the pale saints question
	 lush plays Merrit, Newman and Gilbert, et. al
	 Re: help - shite pie and david stick is a crunt
	 Re: help - shoe pie and david stack is a cunt
	 Re: the pale saints question
	 Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons
	 Re: Oslo--ending Slowdive/Eno
	 Deep Blue Day
	 silvania
	 Slowly Building a consensus?
	 Re: silvania
	 Re: Question
	 Re: Question
	 Re: Question

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:17:25 PDT
From: "michaelnicki barrett" 
Subject: Re: pale saints

> In Ribbons is the only Pale Saints cd i own, i heard the one that didnt 
> have Ian Masters and dont remember it making much of an impression on 
> me. i like IR a lot, especially the first two songs and Hairshoes,but in 
> comparison to those, the rest of the album is a bit of a let down but 
> anyways...
> i asked this next question on the 4ad list and got no response (guess 
> they'd gone deaf listening to the Paladins or something equally icky), 
> so here goes- whats a good place to start with Dif Juz? i've only heard 
> the song "no motion" off the Joyride soundtrack and i liked it a 
> lot.what the heck does that name mean anyways? (Dif Juz i mean) 
> -pearson

Try and get their ep's they have top b-sides some of them my favorite
pale saints songs

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:13:01 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: recommendations

well ambient
means surrounding
new age isnt usually very surrounding
new age often has neoclassical stuff
ambient
usually has no drums
and is very long tonal sound

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:16:38 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: help - shoe pie and david stack is a cunt

well his web page is down

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:19:48 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: pale saints

ian masters was on in ribbons
not on slow buildings

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:21:22 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: useless lush trivia

i love
i have the moon
i have yet to hear astronaut or outdoor miner

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:22:03 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: useless lush trivia

yes i have cookie
i love
love at first sight

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:33:53 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: JAMC

actually in my store today
i got a mail from my uk distributer
and on it had adavanced order for i love rocknroll
cd and 7"

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:38:28 EDT
From: Catchbreez 
Subject: Re: Oslo--ending Slowdive/Eno

appolo is one of my faves of his

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:30:39 -0700
From: Richard Henson 
Subject: re:  more underappreciated music

Does anyone have any information on how i might obtain a copy of their
first album?  Like who sells it?  Or an address for Sonic Unyon?  Anyone,
please help me!  I really, want this cd and i've been looking for a really
long time.

richard 

At 04:38 AM 4/28/98 UT, you wrote:
> Any news on the release date for the new Sianspheric CD?
> I checked their website a month ago and they were only just planning to
> record an EP... which is odd considering the 1/4 page ad they placed in
> AP for a new LP earlier this spring... perhaps I was hallucinating again.
> Regardless, "Somnium" is wonderful dreampop in the vein of early Verve,
> released way back in '95... and "I Like the Ride" is one of the more
> inspired songs of the decade!
>
> Babbling again
> Gary 

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:40:26 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: JAMC

Got the new JAMC from my friend last night, and it's all it's cracked 
up to be.  17 songs, including I love rock and roll, and I hate rock 
and roll.  there is even a song where the Reid's sister sings.   
Catchy and fast stuff!!

wade

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:44:01 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Blind mr. jones

I was wondering if there was anyone on the list who would be kind 
enough to make me a blind Mr. jones tape with the eyes wide e.p, and 
whatever else was good by them.   Please e-mail me and let me know.  

wade

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:33:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: the pale saints question

On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Brad Nicholson wrote:

>> You could not have given the album much of a chance...........
> 
> 
> brilliance of their work sets in.  I've listened to "In Ribbons" well over
> two dozen times (more than enough for me to decide whether or not i like
> something), and it just doesn't do it for me.
> 
> Actually, Hairshoes is the only song on the album that i like (but what an
> unfortunate title).

Personally, I find that to be one of the lesser songs on the record[I
don't have the CD] .... but I've got no idea why you're on about the
title?
	What's the title gotta do w/ anything?
	Maybe not on that one; but PALE SAINTS had some brilliant titles:
all the album titles, I think, are especially great ...

>> jesus--is this a joke??  
> 
> Um, no.  I don't really care for the Pale Saints.  Pardon me for expressing
> an opinion.

Right, to each his own:  everyone is entitled to his/her personal tastes!

>> ive always considered "in ribbons" one of the most
>> magical, inspirational, wondrous, blissful albums ever released.  
> 
> That would be because everybody has different tastes.  In my opinion, the
> song writing is kind of lacking, and the guitar work doesn't really
> interest me. 

Yes, and like James, I feel a lot differently than this as well ...
I think the guitar "work" is great:  Graeme's quite good and Meriel's no
slouch herself ... but this isn't the point, really; rather:
	Why do ya say the song writing is kinda lacking?

	Lyrically?
	Construction-wise? .....  What?

	Most of the songs on IN RIBBONS seem to be well thought out and
executed, at least they do to me ....
	The funny thing here is HAIRSHOES - clearly one of Masters' deals
- is one of the songs which I feel suffers from good judgement ...
CAN'T say that for much of anything else ...

> I would agree that Ian Master's has a good voice, but I don't
> think that it is that great.  Remember, key words, "In My Opinion".

	Remember, about half the songs are sung by Ms. Barham!  Who, I
feel, has a pretty darn good voice!

>> forgive me
>> for being defensive, but i find it depressing that there are actually people
>> out there who consider this second rate.  no wonder so much shit music fills
>> the airwaves.
> 
> Actually, I do a radio show, and have for nearly 4 years, featuring
> indiepop/dreampop/electronic/"space rock", ect.  I would imagine that a
> good number of people on this list would probably quite enjoy my show,
> seeing how i play a good 90% of the stuff that's discussed here, and then
> some.  There's a lot of emphasis placed on shoegaze stuff, and I  have of

Cool ... I hope you don't refer to it all, as shoegaze on air, though ;-)
But, if so, at least you're playing some interesting music ...  Sorry for
raising my objections to that term again :-D
But, I know there are at least a few out there who are w/ me on that ;-) 
...

> fair collection of EP's and hard to find albums to draw on.  For a year and
> a half, I used to kick each show of with a Slowdive song, and quite
> honestly, at least every two or three weeks, I would get a call wanting to
> know what the hell was playing, and where they could find it.  Sorry, but I
> fail to see how not liking the Pale Saints correlates into poor radio
> programming, 

His point was that if people on the sodding SDive list can't see anything
in Pale Saints, that that illustrates the problem which allows the radio
to get loads of requests for COUNTING CROWS, DAVE MATTHEWS, HOOTIE,
[insert your fave bland tossers here]; everyday.
	Yes, he was making a _leap_!  But I do see where he was coming
from ...
Me, I can't see how someone could listen to "1000 Stars Burst Open" [the
proper closing track to 'In Ribbons'] and not see anything in it - and
thus - in the band?

> unless you consider introducing people to things such as the
> beauty of Slowdive poor radio.

I'd call it dead-good i.e. great, radio myself!  Yet, ya might think of
playing things that don't solely appeal to you -- though maybe that is
superfluous?
 
> ps- I'm not trying to offend the Pale Saints fans here, I was simply
> wondering if "In Ribbons" was representative of their sound, because if it
> wasn't, I was going to give them another chance.

I can't see why anyone would be offended by someone's difference of
opinion ... anyone who did take this stuff personally should think again;
quickly!
	As someone pointed out, PSaints just have 3 LPs and each is
different ... particularly COMFORTS; because it lacks Barham ... and then,
of course SLOW BUILDINGS, lacks Masters so all the songs are Barham's ...
Therefore we are looking at 3 distinct line-ups ... which basically
establishes, by default, that none of the three could be representative
...
If you have to pick one, though, it is IN RIBBONS:  sorry! ;-)

Why not give IN RIBBONS another listen guys ... it's not going to hurt at
least!

later,
--Michael

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:41:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: lush plays Merrit, Newman and Gilbert, et. al

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Catchbreez wrote:

> i love
> i have the moon

Yeah you guys should all give MAGNETIC FIELDS a try; or at least see them
live - it's brilliant live ... totally different than the casio-crazy
stuff on record ...  One of the most memorable sets I've seen was by 
Merrit and co. It was so moving --- something which defies description ...
 
> i have yet to hear astronaut or outdoor miner

BLACK SPRING EP :-)

i HAVE THE MOON IS PROBABLY THE BEST OF THE LOT WHICH YOU MENTION ..

BYE,
michael

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:44:48 +0100
From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
Subject: Re: help - shite pie and david stick is a crunt

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! dont get me wrong. i dont hate the guy,
i just think he is a cunt for taking advantage of some people's desparation
for slowdive cds and records... but his page is down?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

| well his web page is down

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:04:08 +0100
From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
Subject: Re: help - shoe pie and david stack is a cunt

i'm in london. £7 sterling for the cd and £3 sterling for postage. if you send
me a £10 sterling note then we have a deal. you send me the money and i send u
the cd. cool?

| Where about in britain are you, email me if some1 hasnt alrady asked to
| take u up on your offer

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:59:56 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: the pale saints question

I must say that I have both Pale Saints albums and I really don't 
listen to them much due to the fact that a)I don't love her 
vocals, and b) the songs didn't move me.

I do however love Ian Masters Spoonfed Hybrid, and Esp summer 
material.

wade

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:28:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: mike p 
Subject: Re: Pale Saints In Ribbons

> Umm, second rate? In Ribbons album was the first thing I ever heard by Pale
> Saints and it's still the best for me. It might be I'm the only one

ive listened to all the pail saints records, but in ribbons is my favorite
too. i also love the half-life remembered 12". before that was kindof
spotty and the later material was just plain not up to par. IMO

mike

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:47:55 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Oslo--ending Slowdive/Eno

really?

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:36:22 +0100
From: "Ricardo Fiel" 
Subject: Deep Blue Day

I'm looking for the Brian Eno album that includes 'Deep Blue Day'.
Does anyone know its name?

Thanks,
Ricardo Fiel.

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:09:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: mike p 
Subject: silvania

> sound to that which Silvania have followed... that is to say IMO "En Cielo de 
> Oceano" (1993) is a masterpiece, with the more electronic "Paisajes III" 
> (1994) only slightly less stunning, and the remix CD "Delay Tambor" the least 
> appealing (or so I hear)... any comments?  

hmm. i actually like paisaje III more than en celio do oceano. call me
crazy. yes, its very electronicy, but kinda really good too.

the 7", alvolaraara or whatever it's called. that, i don't like. ill sell
it. any takers? ..oh yeah, i mean, its really good :) sounds like piasaje
era silvania in cool packaging. and its clear

mike

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:16:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: Slowly Building a consensus?

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, mike p wrote:

>> Umm, second rate? In Ribbons album was the first thing I ever heard by Pale
>> Saints and it's still the best for me. It might be I'm the only one
> 
> ive listened to all the pail saints records, but in ribbons is my favorite
> too. i also love the half-life remembered 12". before that was kindof
> spotty and the later material was just plain not up to par. IMO

From where I'm standing, SLOW BUILDINGS is very good:  superior to
COMFORTS OF MADNESS, which I definitely agree to be "spotty" :-D

The ironic thing about HALF-LIFE is that they weren't pleased w/ Chris
Allison's production work; yet, I feel the orig. version is clearly the
definitive one:  the Hugh Jones co-produced one doesn't improve upon it 
.... but, obviously, they weren't pleased in general and one
song can't tell the whole tale ...
Anyway, in either version, "Half-Life" is a magnificent accomplishment,
to these ears ... give it a try, why don't cha?

Your Fine Friend,
--Michael

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:24:53 -0500 (EST)
From: LIQUID_FMO907 
Subject: Re: silvania

Silvania is one of the best  spanish bands  that i ever heard...Did you
listen "Miel Nube Hiel"  Ep?
About  their last album called " Juniperfin", is even more electronic than
Paisaje...but i loved it..   JUniperfin  has the same feeling from "
Pearl" ( B.Eno)
      fern

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, mike p wrote:

>> sound to that which Silvania have followed... that is to say IMO "En Cielo
>> de Oceano" (1993) is a masterpiece, with the more electronic "Paisajes III"
>> (1994) only slightly less stunning, and the remix CD "Delay Tambor" the
>> least appealing (or so I hear)... any comments?  
> 
> hmm. i actually like paisaje III more than en celio do oceano. call me
> crazy. yes, its very electronicy, but kinda really good too.
> 
> the 7", alvolaraara or whatever it's called. that, i don't like. ill sell
> it. any takers? ..oh yeah, i mean, its really good :) sounds like piasaje
> era silvania in cool packaging. and its clear
> 
> mike

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:03:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Claire De Leon! 
Subject: Re: Question

> Can anyone tell me what moonshake, Ecstasy of St. theresea albums are 
> good?  

just to mention in further depth, the first LP by Ecstasy of st. Theresa
called _Sussurate_ is fucking incredible. very MBV ripoff. I will pay BIG
big money for this record, should anyone ever find it. I'm still reeling
from the fact that I scored their debut 12" for about $7! woohaa...

daniel

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:05:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Claire De Leon! 
Subject: Re: Question

>> ALL EOST stuff is amazing! well, not amazing but good.
> 
> I disagree - the "Fluidtrance Centauri" (93) single is a masterpiece,
> but the AstralaVista e.p. (94) is far far away from good. I suppose
> it's because all songs are remixes (Disco Inferno, Twin Freaks -
> Simon Dine and Wubble-U, Bandulu and one by EoST themselves)
> as their own, in the original versions, are gorgeous. That is to
> say that the album "Free-D Original Soundtrack" is great.

I'll agree here - i don't listen to that one very much - maybe 3 times
ever! fluidtrancecentauri is total genius, and it's actually recordings of
the peel sessions. their first album tho....hoo boy...if i ever find that,
my quest for records is complete!

daniel

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:29:05 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Question

>>> ALL EOST stuff is amazing! well, not amazing but good.
>> 
>> I disagree - the "Fluidtrance Centauri" (93) single is a masterpiece,
>> but the AstralaVista e.p. (94) is far far away from good. I suppose
>> it's because all songs are remixes (Disco Inferno, Twin Freaks -
>> Simon Dine and Wubble-U, Bandulu and one by EoST themselves)
>> as their own, in the original versions, are gorgeous. That is to
>> say that the album "Free-D Original Soundtrack" is great.
>
> I'll agree here - i don't listen to that one very much - maybe 3 times
> ever! fluidtrancecentauri is total genius, and it's actually recordings of
> the peel sessions. their first album tho....hoo boy...if i ever find that,
> my quest for records is complete!

Isn't "Free-D" their first one? I always thought it was? Music Boulevard
had it in their catalogue yesterday at least. I don't remember the exact
price but it was the usual $11.99 or something similar.

EoST... they only did one video, right? I have only seen one at least
and I think it was for the song "fluidum" - on MTV (120 Minutes back
when it was a "must see").

 //Erik

P.S. Thanks for the sig drop daniel - even though you effectively erased
     a full day's work on the digest filter ;) It'll speed up things
     though. D.S.

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