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Today's Topics:
	 Eno - An Ending
	 davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content)
	 Re: pale saints and emotive force
	 out for now-
	 re:  Sianspheric/Sonic Unyon
	 Re: CD swaps?
	 Re: CD swaps?
	 Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content)
	 Re: Eno - An Ending
	 Bon Voyage!
	 Re: Sweredriver on Slowdive (hot off the press)
	 Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content)
	 Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content)
	 5/4 and spiritualized

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:24:57 -0500 (EST)
From: bLenDER 
Subject: Eno - An Ending

I found the CD
I MP3'd the song
http://www.bewley.net/~ben/AnEnding.mp3

don't expect it to up for more than a few days...

BTW, this is the music that ends the OSLO show.

And the whole CD is GREAT.  VERY slowdive at points.

Hey Kids: Notice the new address.

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:22:37 +0600
From: box-and-whiskers 
Subject: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content)

this list seems to be frequented by quite a few assholes these days.
anyway, i'm just posting this in the interest of anyone who is trying to get
that copy of _outside your room_ from this guy.  it was my understanding
that i was the first one in line, and all i did was ask if it would be
alright to send u.s.$ (as the banks here do their best to rip people off by
charging ridiculous surcharges to issue checks in foreign currency, and most
of them do not do direct currency exchanges).  this is the response i got.
i've bought things from people via the 'net dozens of times and have never
encountered such an attitude.  all of you can hurl obscenities at certain
individuals who want $50 for a copy of _holding our breath_ until you're
blue in the face; i for one would much rather pay the fucking $50 and at
least get courteous treatment then deal with a shithead like this.  good
luck to anyone who decides to send him the cash; hopefully he'll keep his
end of the bargain.  (oh, and dave, please don't bother to harass me; you're
a fool if you thought that i'd excuse your hot-headed response.)

> yeah. if you can get your ass into gear and send me a ten pound note... its
> not really that hard. i offer to do a favour for some people and it becomes
> such a fucking hassle. can you send me a ten pound (stirling) note? yes or
> no? first person who sez yes and agrees to send it. and gets the cd...
> simple. i dont want to pissfart around with money orders of any crap like
> that...  i cant cash them so they are no use to me...

>| uh, correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't you already promise the cd to me?
>| what gives?
>|
>| > i'm in london. £7 sterling for the cd and £3 sterling for postage. if
>| > you send me a £10 sterling note then we have a deal. you send me the
>| > money and i send u the cd. cool?
>| >
>| >| Where about in britain are you, email me if some1 hasnt alrady asked
>| >| take u up on your offer

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:49:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: Re: pale saints and emotive force

On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Lorraine Lelis wrote:

> i definitely think the pale saints are underrated!  their songwriting is
> so good, they stay up there with mbv and slowdive for me.  

They're _definitely_ under-exposed, like, for sure! :D

Pale Saints were always a very different sort of band than Slowdive who 
were very different than MBV ....

> even when you just look at time signatures, pale saints are very creative
> there- "ordeal" uses an interesting what is it?  5/4?  there is so much
> dynamic beauty on comforts of madness - my favorite ps album- much work
> put into 
> "true coming dream"
> "sea of sound" (harmonies)

To each his/her own ;-)  But, I would suggest that COMFORTS  is a
worthwhile album to get ...  I just don't feel they were even close to top
form on that one ... from where I stand it all started w/ the 
HALF-LIFE(REMEMBERED) 12" ...

> when you get into spoonfed hybrid et al, there's even more amazing
> songwriting... "boys in zinc" blows me away.

Do you feel that Spoonfed Hybrid is Masters' best work??

Anyone else care to weigh in on this? ...

Still championing the sadly departed Pale Saints,
michael

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:05:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Claire De Leon! 
Subject: out for now-

hey everybody->

	well, i leave soon for my trip to europe, so if anyone needs to
reach me, i'll be unsubbed, and my e-mail account will most likly expire
soon, so i can be reached at 

clairecords@hotmail.com

for a while.

daniel

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 17:06:54 UT
From: "Lisa Johnson" 
Subject: re:  Sianspheric/Sonic Unyon

Sianspheric/Sonic Unyon on the web:

http://www.worldchat.com/public/mramsay/sianspheric/index.html

http://www.sonicunyon.com

surely you can order "Somnium" via info/address at their site... they also 
have some audio samples up... don't recall the details, but check it out...

Off to work!
Gary

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:11:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Petrina Katsikas 
Subject: Re: CD swaps?

Is your web page gage5.html a list of all the things you are looking
for? It very strangely looks like a list of the CDs I own so I thought
maybe it was a list of what you own.

I swear it was very strange b/c I have catalogued my stuff and we have
VERY similar lists!

I have a friend with a CD-R and I'm going to see if he'll let me use it.

I might even be up for trades. Let me know which of the following you
would just die for.

Talk to you soon,


---Gage Crump  wrote:
>
> I just bought 60 blank CDs at a dollar a pot and am wondering if there is
> are any people out there who have access to a CD burner who would like to
> trade CD-Rs of out of print stuff (I'm against bootlegging things that are
> readily available, so don't ask). I will not sell anything so please do
> not ask. I only wish to trade for CD-Rs of music which is near impossible
> to find otherwise. I have the following on CD which I think are now fairly
> rare:
> 
> Blue Day - Slowdive
> Outside your Room- Slowdive
> Ecstasy and Wine - MBV
> This Is Your Blood Valentine - MBV
> Mrs. Dolphin - Pale Saints
> Eyes Wide e.p. - Blind Mr.Jones
> Crazy Jazz e.p. - Blind Mr. Jones
> Engine Common, Fountain Island, Glass Arcade - Sarah Records comps
> Waaaaah CD - Sarah bands comp.
> Coastal - Field Mice
> For Keeps - Field Mice
> Snowball - Field Mice
> Sunburst e.p. - Chapterhouse
> 
> and I'm sure several others which I can't think of right now. you can look
> at http://devbio-mac1.ucsf.edu/gage/gage5.html for others if you want.
> 
> I'm interested in stuff such as Freefall e.p. from Chapterhouse,
> Telescopes e.p.'s, Slowdive/Holding Our Breath e.p.s (well, really just
> Avalyn II and Golden Hair), Moonshakes "Creation" first e.p., anything
> else by Field Mice, other Sarah Record comp's, Stereolab's Amorphous,
> Northern Picture Library's "Blue Dissolve", Ecstasy of Saint Theresa's
> first, and other stuff that would cost exorbitantly at collector's
> prices.
> 
> Again, I'm only interested in CD-Rs of rare/very hard to find music. I
> already have some of the above stuff taped (but my tapes are very bad by
> now since I recorded the stuff many years ago and they won't last much
> longer). CD-Rs of rare vinyl are OK too. And of course I'd trade for the 
> real things if anyone really wanted to do that. My record player is pretty
> crappy and I don't really have a tape player anymore. 
> 
> Its probably best that you respond privately so as to not clutter the
> lise. And sorry for the lengthy message to those of you not interested
> 
> -gage

==
Petrina Katsikas

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:14:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Petrina Katsikas 
Subject: Re: CD swaps?

That last message was supposed to go to Gage not the list sorry all!

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:27:21 +0100
From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
Subject: Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content)

hello,

firstly, i was pissed that you assumed that the cd was yours. we had no
agreement. i did not promise the cd to you.

secondly, you were dilly dallying around over the money order thing. it was a
simple request... ten english pounds in cash.

thirdly, i wanted it sorted out as soon as possible. in case you cant remember,
the cd is still in the shop. so i wanted all of this sorted out so that i could
go and get the cd for someone. end of story. if no one can give a definite
answer, then i cant get to the shop to get it and it'll probably be gone and
that's that.

fourthly, i had a shitload of replies from people assuming that they were the
first person and thus the cd was theirs. so i told EVERYONE. the first person
to sort it so that they can send me ten pounds cash gets the cd. simple. i cant
use a money order. full stop. it is no use to me.

fifthly, i was doing this as a favour to some fellow slowdive fans who might be
after the single and whom i dont believe should have to pay $50 for a single. i
dont expect to be bombarded with replies offering me $10 american, which as all
the english people on the list will know is only worth £6. the cd is £7 in the
shop. and £3 to send. likewise us currency is no use to me as i have to convert
it, which costs a fortune here. and bingo! i am out of pocket. which is not the
aim of the exercise. i saw the cd in a shop for £7 so i figured that it was ok
to buy it and pass it on to someone on the list for £7 and the £3 postage.
which is £10. not $10. or $15. or $17. or a £10 IMO. its £10 cash. and thats
what i said...

sixthly (is that correct grammar), i think you are just pissed cause you didnt
get it.

seventhly (even worse grammar), i see a lot of slowdive stuff in the shops here
in london. i wont bother doing this again. IT IS TOO MUCH HASSLE!!!

sorry to yell at you, but i just got sick to death of answering emails. i am at
work and very busy and dont have time to go over the same point over and over
again. remember i was not buying this cd to make money on. i was buying it as a
favour to someone on the list. the first person who could send me the money

that it cost me. simple. anyone else want to flame me now?

| this list seems to be frequented by quite a few assholes these days.
| anyway, i'm just posting this in the interest of anyone who is trying to get
| that copy of _outside your room_ from this guy.  it was my understanding
| that i was the first one in line, and all i did was ask if it would be
| alright to send u.s.$ (as the banks here do their best to rip people off by
| charging ridiculous surcharges to issue checks in foreign currency, and most
| of them do not do direct currency exchanges).  this is the response i got.
| i've bought things from people via the 'net dozens of times and have never
| encountered such an attitude.  all of you can hurl obscenities at certain
| individuals who want $50 for a copy of _holding our breath_ until you're
| blue in the face; i for one would much rather pay the fucking $50 and at
| least get courteous treatment then deal with a shithead like this.  good
| luck to anyone who decides to send him the cash; hopefully he'll keep his
| end of the bargain.  (oh, and dave, please don't bother to harass me; you're
| a fool if you thought that i'd excuse your hot-headed response.)
|
| >yeah. if you can get your ass into gear and send me a ten pound note... its
| >not really that hard. i offer to do a favour for some people and it becomes
| >such a fucking hassle. can you send me a ten pound (stirling) note? yes or
| >no? first person who sez yes and agrees to send it. and gets the cd...
| >simple. i dont want to pissfart around with money orders of any crap like
| >that...  i cant cash them so they are no use to me...
|
| >| uh, correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't you already promise the cd to me?
| >| what gives?
| >|
| >| >i'm in london. £7 sterling for the cd and £3 sterling for postage. if
| >| >you send me a £10 sterling note then we have a deal. you send me the
| >| >money and i send u the cd. cool?
| >| >
| >| >| Where about in britain are you, email me if some1 hasnt alrady asked
| >| >| take u up on your offer

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:09:36 -0500 (EST)
From: bLenDER 
Subject: Re: Eno - An Ending

On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, ~E M wrote:

> hi ben, could you put the mp3 file in a html page, coz i can't download it 
> without clicking the right mouse button. if i go straight to the url, all 
> i get is a bunch of text rubbish.

for downloading ease
http://www.bewley.net/~ben/eno.html
cool:)

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:07:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: Bon Voyage!

On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Claire De Leon! wrote:

> 	well, i leave soon for my trip to europe, so if anyone needs to
> reach me, i'll be unsubbed, and my e-mail account will most likly expire
> soon, so i can be reached at 

Hey Daniel, i received the package today .. thanks ....
	Enjoy your trip!!
	I've been once to Europe, so, if you like, you should write me
when you return! ... I wish I was you :-)

take care of yourself!
--Michael

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:47:32 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: Sweredriver on Slowdive (hot off the press)

At 14:17 1998-04-29 -0700, you wrote:
> Greetings,
> Picked this out of inpress magazine today (an excerpt from a
> swervedriver interview)
>
> Inpress> You guys were innocently talking about slowdive and then all of
> a sudden it is plastered all over the internet that you discovered them
>
> Adam> Yeah, I have heard about that as well. People have asked me about
> that. Yeah, completely wrong. False information gets out there, rumours
> you hear and it's like chinese whispers, it gets carried out of all
> proportion. It's not remotely true.
>
> Think about that one.

Heh heh, yeah - and I'm the one to blame, right? All I did was *ask* them
when they played here, because no one else had, and everyone was saying
they were responsible, so I wanted to know the truth.

The truth is that they *did* have something to do with Slowdive being
signed to Creation. When I asked them they said they had heard something
about it, but couldn't remember if they did or not. Their explanation
at the end of the night was that it was probably their manager who put
the demo in Mr. Creation's hands, so they were in turn credited for it
in the end.

I can think of several reasons why they don't admit to it though,
but I won't go into that discussion here. It's enough of that on
the Curve list at the moment. Besides, Rachel can probably tell
the real story. Right Rachel?

 Klart som korvspad.
 //Erik

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:58:12 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content)

At 12:22 1998-04-29 +0600, you wrote:
>this list seems to be frequented by quite a few assholes these days.
[snip]

I don't really want to get into this, but I agree - that's one helluva
attitude problem there. But who knows, maybe he lost his job the same
day, his car was stolen and his life savings were gone? All those things
in a day would do the trick for me...

 //Erik

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:08:21 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a... (no slowdive content)

> fourthly, i had a shitload of replies from people assuming that they were
> the first person and thus the cd was theirs. so i told EVERYONE. the first
> person to sort it so that they can send me ten pounds cash gets the cd. 
> simple.

You can use the list to say that "hey all who sent me mail about the
Slowdive thingie - it's already gone" which would have saved you the
trouble of replying to all the e-mails but one - ie. the first who
mailed you about it.

And, a simple "Sorry, but $10 doesn't cover it. £10 is about US $13.00
and the freight will probably be more like $5 to the US" reply is a lot
better than telling someone to go blow a flagpole.

But who am I to tell anyone about manners, right?

 //Erik

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:28:39 PDT
From: "Pearson Greer" 
Subject: 5/4 and spiritualized

about those who'd slag Spiritualized...
i USED to think that as much as i loved Spiritualized, i still had the 
complaint that Jason's lyrics were completely devoid of meaning- or that 
he didnt really feel them,for whatever reason- but i've really 
reevaluated that opinion in the last year- maybe i'm a sap but the  
Ladies and Germs album seems to really be from the heart, Broken Heart 
of course, but now i go back and think of All My Tears from Pure Phase, 
and some of the slower material from LGM as well.
generally on the whole, i know why i always loved Spiritualized (and a 
lot of other bands for the same reason)- the overall emotional effect is 
one that for me at least of a emotion thats not easily described- its 
not just a happy or sad or euphoric one- a lot of the time one doesn't 
know HOW they feel, just that they DO feel- and theyre great at 
capturing that. having said that- when i knew for sure i felt broken 
hearted, Spiritualized definitely soothed.
im glad someone else besides me counts Ordeal in 5/4 too, my friend 
thats a music major and loves to make everything harder than it really 
is counted it somehow in 2.

happy cos he just found Disco Inferno's "DI Go Pop" for 5 bucks,
Pearson


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