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	 Re: pale saints and emotive force
	 Re: pale saints and emotive force
	 state of grace
	 Re: state of grace
	 splinterworld
	 Another thing I'm tired of...
	 Re: splinterworld
	 Re: Pale Saints EPs
	 RE: Pale Saints EPs
	 Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a nice guy...
	 Re: Was Random Thoughts- is now opinions
	 state of grace
	 Re: state of grace
	 Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a nice guy...
	 Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a nice guy...
	 Re: state of grace
	 Re: STATE OF GRACE

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:50:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lorraine Lelis 
Subject: Re: pale saints and emotive force

On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Gage Crump wrote:

> Sight of You is a beautiful song. I actually have a live Ride tape from
> Boston 92 and there are Ride Peel Sessions on the B-side on which Ride
> covers Sight Of You. anyone else heard it? It sounds quite a lot like the
> original, but with a bit of Vapour Trail smoothness. I actually saw Pale

i have the 7" that has ride doing "sight of you" and also an old song
called "severance" which was mislabeled as i think "deliverance."  (is it
a jamc song?  i forget)  i forget all this because i don't have a record
player and my records are somewhere else.  good 7" though, and it's
lavendar.

> Saints open for Ride at a small club in Newark, NJ (I'm not from there,
> thank god), and I got there early, played a game of "football" with Lars,
> Mark, and ? (the bassist) from Ride at an old school pitch not far from
> the club, and then I talked to the lead singer of Pale Saints (Ian

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:51:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lorraine Lelis 
Subject: Re: pale saints and emotive force

>> sight of you:  cd__comforts of madness.
>> anyone see 'em play it live with colleen singing?
>> sounded pretty good.  saw it at 'all virgos are mad'

:P
eugh!  i was so mad when she did that, because it's ian's song.  
sorry, i was just not a fan of that incarnation of the pale saints.

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Petrina Katsikas 
Subject: state of grace

State of Grace are one of those bands that I hate to see in the
bargain bin at a used CD store. I usually buy it and give it to a
friend b/c I like it so much.

I found these quotes about the album and I thought they were
appropriate, (I hope its not bad to post them):

State of Grace - Jamboreebop
"cuts a deep channel through the usual sea of classifications,
challenging preconceptions while simultaneously appealing across the
board."

"Specializing in songs that are equal parts pop and psychedelic rock,"

"a unique musical ground where acoustic instruments and female vocals
meet fiery guitars and tripped-out electronic grooves for a joyous and
consistent whole."

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:35:32 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: state of grace

anyone on this list heard the Catchers?
For some reason, the mention of State of Grace reminded me of them.  
Anyways, they're not heavy effects layered dreampoppers, but their 
really good songwriters(depending on your own opinion), and the songs 
are great.  they have some cure flanging, some heavy distortion over 
jangley guitars, but their male/female vox rule!

wade

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:13:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Petrina Katsikas 
Subject: splinterworld

I was just skimming the digest since I'm new on the list, and I read
about Splinterworld.

I do college radio and am always looking for new stuff if anyone knows
how I could get something from Splinterworld to play (if they have
anything out) that would be cool.

Thanks,

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:18:48 -0500
From: Agent Cooper 
Subject: Another thing I'm tired of...

What is the damn deal with you idiots whose posts invariably
look like
this? I mean, are you too lazy to configure your word wrap,
or are
you just stupid? Sure, you could accuse me of being a nit
picker,
but these unnecessary lines of virtually blank space really
add up,
especially when other people QUOTE your posts (and I can't
imagine
how anyone whose posts look like THIS could have anything
to say
worth repeating...)

Just another gripe, now back to my finals...

-- 

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:47:59 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: splinterworld

Petrina,
  Hey, that's my band.  Are you in NYC too?  At the moment we have an 
old demo with our old members playing on it.  I could send you to 
play, though it's not the best representation of us now.  We are in 
the process of recording new material.  But I'll send you something 
if you want, I'd love to have some radioplay.  It's more 
Slowdivish/MBV than anything, and pretty catchy too..
:)
wade

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:20:45 EDT
From: Espsummer 
Subject: Re: Pale Saints EPs

            i think all the pale saints singles/e.p.s  are hard to find
myself.  Its not impossible(especially if u live in a big ole city).   I have
had an easier time locating the first 3 slowdive singles than any pale saints
singles.

           That being said, the best possible buy if u can find it is the Mrs.
Dolphin cd because it combines most of the first singles leaving out flesh
balloon i think?  Anyways I am going thru atlanta this week and will be on the
hunt for that one. 

          The other post pale saints projects by ian masters such as spoonfed
hybrid, esp summer, and oneironaut (however spelled) are quite hard to find.
They are well worth it however because he drifts away from the potentially
abrasive shoe-guitar sound for a more clean softer sound.  Both spoonfed
hybrid and esp summer are quite similar and i would rather own them than
pygmalion or ask me tommorow if i was presented that kinda desert island
scenerio.  There are also singles/10/7 inch records of spoonfed hybrid and esp
summer as well.  I have the hibernation shock cd single ......but have not
located and 7 inches or 10 inches............

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 01:22:36 -0500
From: avalyn 
Subject: RE: Pale Saints EPs

i think flesh balloon and half-life eps are readily available at
sirencd.com for $10. also you can order friendly science enregisterments
stuff directly from ian masters i believe, i forget the website however..

st

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 02:16:14 PDT
From: "Matthew Falconer" 
Subject: Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a nice guy...

From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
Subject: Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a nice guy...
MIME-Version: 1.0

Hi Dave!!!

Good to talk to someone on this list who is halfway civilized!!!! Yep, 
I'm from Sydney allright. When are you going to be back in Melbourne??? 
Might have to come down and check out what you bought in England! Sounds 
good!

Yeah, I have heard that the musci situation in England is pretty good, 
too. Have you bought much stuff over there??? If there are heaps of 
Slowdive EP's lying around the place then why haven't you been selling 
them to idiots on this list??? They pay a FORTUNE for little 3 and 4 
track EP's that really aren't worth half of what they pay for them... 
but then again, that's their choice, huh???

Thanks for you offer to get some more Slowdive EP's!! I don't need any 
right now but if you do come across any let me know and I'll buy them 
off you and re-sell them to all the intelligent people here! (or 
somewhere else...). Let me know.

Anyways, this list has been a bit quiet of late so I think that I'll 
leave it until things pick up again a bit...

See everyone. A simple lesson in how to interact with someone who makes 
a generous offer. He offered to pick me up any Slowdive EP's I might 
want and I said "thank you but no thanks". See??? Makes a difference 
when you LISTEN and are POLITE. There's something in that for all of us, 
I think...

And Erik: don't shit me about swearing on the list. I've heard you do it 
several times. As Dave explained, cultural norms are mostly relative. 
Could be that using "offensive" words like FUCK are not held with the 
same level of contempt that they are wherever you come from (Scandanvia, 
somewhere, if I'm not mistaken). People in glass houses really shouldn't 
throw stones!!! Have some RESPECT.

That's it for now...

Bye!!!

Matthew


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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:35:24 +0100
From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
Subject: Re: Was Random Thoughts- is now opinions

| >| rock did was 1-4-5's then i'd definitely go crazy.  ya know?  there's
| >*some*
| >| common ground, more or less.
| >
| >maybe, maybe not! but whos gonna say which one is better than others?
who
| >has
| >that right?
|
| as far as "objectivity" goes, no one.  but we make try to convince one
| another of subjective things all the time, like morals, let's say.  but
| let's NOT get into that.  :)

no, best be left alone... ;)

| i should say that this is the reason why art/literary/music critics are
| still around and valued by a lot of people.  they're speaking on
subjective
| matters, but we value their opinions for some reason or other.  to reject
| their opinions is not to reject rationality but just to disagree on some
| fundamental matters of taste.  that's all.

i always figured that was because people love being told what to look at,
listen to, and taste... thats why slowdive were not as big as they should
have
been... no one ever reviewed them!!! so no one ever heard about them. if
all
the critics in the world had have said: "phwoarrr, check this slowdive band

out... their album rocks" then maybe they would have been sooooo mouch
bigger... in my book, a lot of people will buy whatever everyone else says
they
like. it doesnt make it good. it just mean a lot of other people like it
already. and it is a fundamental human trait to "go with the flow"... no
one
likes to be the screwdriver in the box of spanners...

what am i on about? i dont remember... its been a long day...

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:25:22 +0200
From: "LOSING TODAY" 
Subject: state of grace

State of Grace are great, a new album is coming out soon
My preferit song are:
miss you
b13
ghosts
perfect &wild

I'm looking for Volume 15 including a great version of perfect &wild, does
anyone sell it used?

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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:01:12 +0100
From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
Subject: Re: state of grace

is that just volume 15? number 15 one of those volume series? or an album
by
them?

| I'm looking for Volume 15 including a great version of perfect &wild,
does
| anyone sell it used?
|
|
|

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:41:32 +0600
From: box-and-whiskers 
Subject: Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a nice guy...

insert tongue firmly into rectum...

>From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
>To: avalyn@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a nice guy...
>Message-ID: <802565F6.003B5B9E.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk>
>Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>
>Hi Dave!!!
>
>Good to talk to someone on this list who is halfway civilized!!!! Yep, 
>I'm from Sydney allright. When are you going to be back in Melbourne??? 
>Might have to come down and check out what you bought in England! Sounds 
>good!

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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:24:04 +0100
From: davebp@postmaster.co.uk
Subject: Re: davebp@postmaster.co.uk is a nice guy...

whats wrong with you? on your rags this week or something??? just shut up!
you
were the one who started this whole thing. that mail was sent to you in
private. NOT THE LIST! so why dont you reply to me directly instead of
these
nasty little comments on the list here and there?

and remember, i never swore on the list, it was you who posted the PRIVATE
message to the (PUBLIC) list.

> insert tongue firmly into rectum...

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 17:39:22 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: state of grace

At 12:22 1998-04-30 -0700, you wrote:
> are there any other state of grace fans out there?
> i really love them and was wondering if they've ever been discussed
> here.
>
> is there a way for me to look this up in archives of this list?

There's no free text search in the archives yet, but I'm working
on it. It's a hassle going through each digest as it is right now,
so I wouldn't recommend it, but you can find all digests at:

 http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html
 ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/texts/uxu/avalyn/

 //Erik 

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 17:58:59 +0200
From: Erik Soderstrom 
Subject: Re: STATE OF GRACE

> i looked for a web site once but that was a long time ago, i should
> search again because i didn't find anything

I found this one (but even though it says there are sound samples
there, I haven't found any :( ):
http://www.sogndl.demon.co.uk/

 //Erik

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