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	 Dreampop and Showgaze?
	 Re: Dreampop and Showgaze?
	 Re: Dreampop and Showgaze?
	 Re: Dreampop and Showgaze?
	 stuff
	 magical slowie experience
	 Re: magical slowie experience
	 Endlessly Shiny...
	 Re: Endlessly Shiny...
	 Re: Endlessly Shiny...
	 Re: magical slowie experience
	 Re: Endlessly Shiny...
	 Belle & Sebastian video needed...
	 Re[2]: magical slowie experience
	 Re[2]: Endlessly Shiny...
	 Re: Endlessly Shiny...
	 Re: Slowdive/Raise
	 Re: Endlessly Shiny...
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:54:25 -0600
From: "Fenkner, Mark" 
Subject: Dreampop and Showgaze?

I am new to the list and new to the terms "dreampop" and "showgaze".
The few bands that I have seen placed in this category I quite enjoy and
I was wondering if anyone could provide me with a list of other bands in
this category.  Are there are discussion lists or resources available?
Thank you very much for your help!!

Sincerely,

Mark Fenkner

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:09:27 +0300
From: Siim Kalder 
Subject: Re: Dreampop and Showgaze?

Not daring to create a list of the bands I'll just refer to someone
pointing out that the term "shoegazing" comes from musicians being too
caught by the sight of their guitar pedals to look at the audience...
"Dreampop" is quite an obscure term for me and is also a bit negative for
the "pop" in it. Btw, "showgaze", which I guess was I typo, could also have
its meaning... quite a negative one, I guess ;)

Siim

At 13:54 16.06.98 -0600, Mark wrote:
> I am new to the list and new to the terms "dreampop" and "showgaze".
> The few bands that I have seen placed in this category I quite enjoy and
> I was wondering if anyone could provide me with a list of other bands in
> this category.  Are there are discussion lists or resources available?
> Thank you very much for your help!!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mark Fenkner

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:27:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: professor plum 
Subject: Re: Dreampop and Showgaze?

it's a basic distinction, but a necessary one.  to put it simply, pearl 
jam is dreampop and soundgarden is shoegaze.  both are dead.  ha!  sorry.

; e.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:39:43 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Re: Dreampop and Showgaze?

----------
> From: Fenkner, Mark 
> To: 'avalyn@lysator.liu.se'
> Subject: Dreampop and Showgaze?
> Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 3:54 PM
> 
> I am new to the list and new to the terms "dreampop" and "showgaze".
> The few bands that I have seen placed in this category I quite enjoy and
> I was wondering if anyone could provide me with a list of other bands in
> this category. 

Hey Welcome Aboard Mark!

I just joined here recently too. Here is a list of bands that I feel seem
to fall within this category of shoegazing dreampop star-music - whatever
you want to call it - I just call it beautiful. Here is a list of what I
consider to be logical extensions of Slowdive and the like:

- My Bloody Velentine (Albums: Loveless, Isn't Anything)
- Ride (Albums: Nowhere, Going Blank Again, Smile)
- Swervedriver (Albums: Raise, Mezcalhead, Ejector Seat Reservation)
- Adorable (Albums: Against Perfection)
- Spiritualized (Albums: Lazer Guided Melodies, Pure Phase, Ladies And 
	Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space)
- Sianspheric (Indie; Albums: Somnium)
- Sully (Albums: ?????)
- Mojave 3 (Albums: Ask Me Tommorrow)
- This Mortal Coil (Albums:??????)
- Slowdive (Albums: Blueday EP, Slowdive EP, Just For A Day, Souvlaki, 
	Pygmalion)
- Brian Eno (Albums: Music For Airports, Music For Films, Apollo, etc, etc,
	etc...)
- there is an instrumental box set that spans most of the important stuff
- Galaxy 500 (Albums: This Is Our Music, On Fire, Today - there is a box
	set put out by Rykodisc that includes all three albums plus a CD
	of uncollected rarities)
- Spacemen 3 (Albums: The Singles, various live albums, probably abour 40
	or 50 in number)
- The Jesus And Marychain (Albums: Pyschocandy, Barbed Wire Kisses)
- U2 (Albums: The Unforgettable Fire)
- James (Albums: Wah Wah)
- Experimental Audio Research (E.A.R.) (Albums: Beyond The Pale, anything
	really - their all pretty much the same - drones, feedback, ambiently
	mixed)

	The above list will probably spark alot of debate. I just chose these
records because all of this dreampop / ambient scene was initially derrived
by a few initial sources. Those being Brian Eno (Ambient Music) and The
Jesus And MaryChain (Pop Noise Music). From these two sources, especially
the latter, came My Bloody Valentine, who with the release of  the album
"Loveless" influenced most of the bands listed above (ie: adorable,
Slowdive, Ride, Swervedriver, etc). (I am sure bands like Sonic Youth, etc,
have their part as well). Galaxy 500 kind of came out of nowhere. James And
U2 were produced by Brian Eno, sporting a very ambient sound on the two
releases mentioned. Spiritualized emnated from Spacemen 3 comprising of
Sonic Boom (who later went to for E.A.R.) and Jason "Spaceman" Pierce who
went on to form Spiritualized. Anyways there you have it, like I said, this
list will probably generate some furious remarks but it is only one man's
view. There are of course others, but they are probably either completely
unlistenable, unattainable for purchase, or too similar to the above
mentioned artists. Hope this helps!

			Sincerely, 
					Sillabyss....

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:39:23 +0200
From: "LOSING TODAY" 
Subject: stuff

has anyone Starflyer 59, Sugar Plant, Blueshift Signal, Bedazzled
compilations to sell? i'm interested

tenebre@pronet.it

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:32:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: mike p 
Subject: magical slowie experience

hi all

since the list is so dead...

i had a great realization the other day. i was under the influence of
psychedelic mushrooms (the first time i did anything like that in YEARS)
and listening to just for a day in the dark. i realised slowdive
mean so much more than just one of the bands that played the soundtrack
to an emgineering degree these past, gasp, 5 years. they are (were) truly
great. probably one of the few bands ill listen to years down the road and
still like. whereas i could see ride sounding cheesy in 20 years.. but i
like it now. ya know?

mike

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:09:18 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: magical slowie experience

Mike,
  that is weird, because I too just did that Friday night and had a 
beautiful, touching experience.  Although I was hearing choir kids 
singing to bells, and I thought of slowdive, and it was really 
beautiful.  Okay here comes some cheese: I was reminded how they made 
me appreciate the beauty of music, how I've just lived day to day
listening to them and letting them speak for me.    In my opinion
40 days is just a song for everyday...It's almost like a daily 
soundtrack.  Anyways, I was very appreciative that they have always
been there and making my life and musical experiences enjoyable.  

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:54:15 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Endlessly Shiny...

> In my opinion 40 days is just a song for everyday...It's almost like a
> daily soundtrack.  .

I can listen to "Shine" endlessly. Once when I was doing some tape
transfers I had it on for about 13 hours solid - something about Slowdive
just makes you appreciate what it is in life that you have, and forget
about the things that you don't. 

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:10:07 -0500 (EST)
From: bLenDER 
Subject: Re: Endlessly Shiny...

> I can listen to "Shine" endlessly. Once when I was doing some tape
> transfers I had it on for about 13 hours solid - something about Slowdive
> just makes you appreciate what it is in life that you have, and forget
> about the things that you don't. 

I put that on a comp tape just two days ago
I remember when I got my copy of holding our breath, I put it on and that
soong playedm, and I just was ASTONISHED.  One of their best songs...

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:52:47 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com" 
Subject: Re: Endlessly Shiny...

Once I was really, really, stoned and riding the subway in New York 
city, and Shine was blasting in my headphones... Total Euphoria!!  
Anyways, I was next to the drivers compartment dazzed by the 
blurs outside and watching the electronic speedometer move at 
incredible speeds very slowly.  Needless to say, I was in my own 
world with my headphones on.  

wade

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:56:13 EDT
From: Catchbreez@aol.com
Subject: Re: magical slowie experience

anyone have the lryics in txt form for all the slowdive songs
they used to be on a page and i would like them

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:33:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gage Crump 
Subject: Re: Endlessly Shiny...

sister sue "i'm blinded ... it's only my eyes"

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:03:15 -0400
From: "Gordon Brown" 
Subject: Belle & Sebastian video needed...

Hi,

I'm posting this to the list in hopes that someone out there has this material.
Any video material at all of Belle & Sebastian is desperately needed. Very
generous return trade offers (example: 6 hour Slowdive video for anyone who
can supply
a tape of all the promo vids and some TV appearances)

Thanks for your time.

Gordon

PS To all those who ordered videos, packages will be sent out next week. 

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 13:42:11 CST
From: Crios@dminet.davidson-marketing.com
Subject: Re[2]: magical slowie experience

I like cheese...

> Mike,
>  that is weird, because I too just did that Friday night and had a 
> beautiful, touching experience.  Although I was hearing choir kids 
> singing to bells, and I thought of slowdive, and it was really 
> beautiful.  Okay here comes some cheese: I was reminded how they made 
> me appreciate the beauty of music, how I've just lived day to day
> listening to them and letting them speak for me.    In my opinion
> 40 days is just a song for everyday...It's almost like a daily 
> soundtrack.  Anyways, I was very appreciative that they have always
> been there and making my life and musical experiences enjoyable.  

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 13:46:19 CST
From: Crios@dminet.davidson-marketing.com
Subject: Re[2]: Endlessly Shiny...

For me it was always melon yellow and velvet morning... Sometimes I get up
really early and go down by the lake (chicago, michigan) put on the head phones
and watch the sun rise... It just doesn't get much better than that... 

    This is kinda wierd but I make a mix tape of Slowdive and Miles Davis
especially for that... For me the two work really well....

                Crios

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:49:57 -0400
From: "Cox, Jonathan Campbell" 
Subject: Re: Endlessly Shiny...

That's ironic because I have always considered Slowdive's music very
effective at making you remember things you don't have or once had withour
regard to what you do have.  I consider them the musical embodiment of John
Keats' poetry (especially Just for a Day).  I mean, "She told me that she
loved me, Love just for a day, and every time I feel her, I feel her fade
away" from Celia's dream is to me nothing more than a modern version of "La
Belle Dame sans Mercy."  And there is Brighter, whose lyrics embody this
sort of selfless sacrifice despite one's own feelings that is very
respectable, but very depressing at the same time.  On top of that, all of
their music makes me feel the same, so I know it's not just the words. 
Erk's Song, for example.  But despite these different interps, I have to
agree that Shine is by far one of their most amazing songs, and I too often
liten to it over and over.

JC

>> In my opinion 40 days is just a song for everyday...It's almost like a
>> daily soundtrack.  .  
>
> I can listen to "Shine" endlessly. Once when I was doing some tape
> transfers I had it on for about 13 hours solid - something about Slowdive
> just makes you appreciate what it is in life that you have, and forget
> about the things that you don't. 

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:08:55 +1000 (EST)
From: Alister Thomas 
Subject: Re: Slowdive/Raise

> Well, I recently ordered Slowdive, and today I finally
> received it.

Hey, wow!!! I didn't have any idea that this CD was still in print!!!! I
would have thought that it'd be waaaaay out of print by now!!! Good score!
(even if it did have "Raise" on it!).

> I assume you are aware that some pressings of the first Slowdive cdep,
> Slowdive, came out as Swervedriver's Raise.  That is, the cover of the CD
> and the CD itself is labeled as the Slowdive ep, but when you play the CD,
> it is Raise

Yeah, I know a couple of people who were in the UK at the time the EP was
released and they both picked it up at the same record shop on the same day
and both their copies were actually "Raise" rather than Slowdive... weird,
huh???

> So my question is, seeing that I am not a big Swervedriver
> fan, does this mispressing have any value to Swervedriver fans, or is my
> best bet to just return it and get credit for what I paid for it?

I haven't got a clue as to it's value but I know that there were a few of
those misprints around - I guess it's the same story with niche market CD's
- they're really only worth what people are willing to pay for them, I
guess. Would be cool to have if you're a Swervedriver completist, though :-)

On the topic of Creation records misprints, a couple of years ago I ordered
in The Times CD "Et Dieu Crea La Femme" and when I put it in the CD player
and it was only about 15 minutes long with 3 tracks - pretty weird, I
though, considering it's a full-length ablum with around 12 tracks (off the
top of my head). So I played it and it was a Primal Scream single
"Jailbird" (or one the other singles from that album - can't quite
rememeber!), so I sent it back and re-ordered the Times CD and it turned
up. Turns out the Times CD wasn't really worth waiting for - it isn't that
good, really. Does anyone else know of any Creation records misprints like
this?!??!

Thought I'd mention that...

Alister

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:28:05 EDT
From: Enigk1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Endlessly Shiny...

what album is shine on?  all i have is just for a day and souvlaki.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:43:18 -0500
From: "Luis B. Abcede" 
Subject: Re: Endlessly Shiny...

Try looking around for the Holding Our Breath EP or Blue Day ... heh heh
... good luck.  You're missing out on some really ace stuff.

Need more info?

http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/slowdive.html

At 6/18/98 11:28 PM -0400, you wrote:
> what album is shine on?  all i have is just for a day and souvlaki.

Luis

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