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Today's Topics:
	 Re: effects question
	 Secret Shine Promo Cass. 4Sale
	 Re: effects question
	 stereolab?
	 Re: stereolab?
	 Re: stereolab?
	 k.shields rmx's
	 Re: stereolab?
	 Re: k.shields rmx's
	 Re: stereolab?
	 Stereolab?
	 Re: stereolab?
	 AUCTION: Swervedriver's Raise (japanese)...
	 Re: stereolab?
	 Re: Rollerskate Skinny/Flying Saucer Attack
	 Mojave 3 - Mazzy Star similarity??
	 Re: 3rd Eye Foundation
	 Re: Rollerskate Skinny/Flying Saucer Attack
	 third eye foundation and drum n bass
	 Re: third eye foundation and drum n bass
	 Re: third eye foundation and drum n bass

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:14:09 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Re: effects question

	I think I read somewhere that Neil used a device called a Roland G-30.
This is a guitar synthesizer. Basically you connect a special pickup to
your guitar that converts the movements of the strings to MIDI messages.
>From here, these are then used to trigger samples, such as violins,
trumpets etc. If he was indeed using this device then he was probably using
some sort of orchestral patch with either multiple delays or an E-bow. As
far as reverb goes, they probably differed between their live set and the
studio recordings - I've never seen slowdive live, but this is usually a
common practice - MBV use SPX-90's almost exclusively, especially the
reverse reverb patch so I am sure that Neil got a few hints from MBV and
probably use the same for reverb. As far as distortion goes, there isn't
really awhole lot of variance between modules (some may argue this).
Probably uses a RAT or a TURBO RAT or both. He might just overload his
signal through his amps as well, which would probably make more
sense...hope this helps somewhat...

> so no one on this list really knows what kind of distortion Neil was 
> using... We never really found out here!!
> 
> Anyone have any ideas what kind of rackmounts were being used?  
> Alesis Quads?  Lexicons?  
> 
> Inquiring Minds want to know.
> 
> wade

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:11:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alvin de Leon 
Subject: Secret Shine Promo Cass. 4Sale

I'm selling my promo white label copy of 
Secret Shine - Greater than God e.p.  on CASS.
If you're interested email me your offer..

-al
cc297@torfree.net

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:15:07 -0700
From: mmoreno@ucla.edu (JJ Moreno)
Subject: Re: effects question

At 04:20 PM 6/22/98 +0000, WADE@tapehouse.com wrote:
> so no one on this list really knows what kind of distortion Neil was 
> using... We never really found out here!!

In all likelyhood, probably some form of Boss distortion or overdrive...
nothing major.

> Anyone have any ideas what kind of rackmounts were being used?  
> Alesis Quads?  Lexicons?  

I saw em only once during their "just for a day" tour w/ Ride and their rack
setup was sorta like this:

Christian: some sorta Yamaha
Neil: Korg A3
Rachel: Quadraverb and Yamaha  

BTW Just saw Bardo Pond last friday and although they were pretty great, I
don't get the thing about people always saying how devastsatingly loud  they
are... At least, I didn't think so... chit! maybe I'm goin deaf.... 

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:35:13 -0300
From: Shaun Schmeisser 
Subject: stereolab?

I was wondering if anyone could reccomend a good stereolab album to
start off with?  I've heard they're a great band but have yet to even
hear one of their songs...  I was told to check out 'Transient Random
Noise Bursts with Announcements' as it was the closest to the 'slowdive
sound' (whatever that means)...  Anyways, any help would be greatly
appreciated.

shaun

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:41:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: Re: stereolab?

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Shaun Schmeisser wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone could reccomend a good stereolab album to
> start off with?  I've heard they're a great band but have yet to even
> hear one of their songs...  I was told to check out 'Transient Random
> Noise Bursts with Announcements' as it was the closest to the 'slowdive
> sound' (whatever that means)...  Anyways, any help would be greatly
> appreciated.

I wouldn't recommend the above as a starting pt..  And, Stereolab's sound
has never had anything in common w/ anything Slowdive ever did ... I have
no clue how anybody coulda ever said the above to you .... :-)

I would check out their early compilations or either MARS AUDIAC QUINTET
or EMPEROR TOMATO KETCHUP ......

happy listening!
btw, I like Stereolab, but they're not the sort of band I listen to all
the time or anything close to it .... but, then I don't have any of their
stuff on tape, so ......

best,
michael

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:14:22 -0700
From: kGB 
Subject: Re: stereolab?

avalyn@lysator.liu.se wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone could reccomend a good stereolab album to
> start off with?  I've heard they're a great band but have yet to even
> hear one of their songs...  I was told to check out 'Transient Random
> Noise Bursts with Announcements' as it was the closest to the 'slowdive
> sound' (whatever that means)...  Anyways, any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> shaun

Well, their last album Dots and Loops almost requires repeated
listening.reminds me of sort of 'melting go-go music'...  very well
produced...
but i hear _nothing_ that would remotely remind anyone of slowdive!
If you want an idea as to what they sound like, there is a live radio
broadcast
in real audio from 1996 when Emperor Tomato Ketchup was released.
dead can dance, Lisa Gerrard, Eno, Radiohead, His Name is Alive are also
on there.    http://www.liveconcerts.com/harddrive/kcrw/

toby

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:31:07 -0700
From: kGB 
Subject: k.shields rmx's

well... at least he's doing something!   i was rather impressed by his version
of Mogwai Fear Satan.... it just keeps going and going....  the three minutes
of plain white noise in the middle threw me off at first but i refused to lower
the volume.

which leaves me wondering how are his reworking of Curve on the Coming
Up Roses single?  i'm not the biggest Curve fan but i was hoping he had mutated
it a bit..  and i have yet to hear the If They Move, Kill Em remix... i
apologize if this is has been discussed be4.

and how does he go a/b this? he gets the master tapes and is free to do w/
the separate parts of the original track as he pleases... i wonder how much is
him playing and what he has just messed around on the computer w/....
it doesn't really matter of course, i'm just happy w/ the outcome.. only
curious.

one more thing... does anyone know when the new Mogwai- Fuck the Curfew
three-tracker is being released?

ok, you can go now; )
toby

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:46:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: cory <1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu>
Subject: Re: stereolab?

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Shaun Schmeisser wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone could reccomend a good stereolab album to
> start off with?  I've heard they're a great band but have yet to even
> hear one of their songs...  I was told to check out 'Transient Random
> Noise Bursts with Announcements' as it was the closest to the 'slowdive
> sound' (whatever that means)...  Anyways, any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
>> shaun> > 

I echo everyone who has said that Stereolab is a world apart from 
Slowdive (and most everyone else for that matter).  

. as michael put it:
. I would check out their early compilations or either MARS AUDIAC QUINTET
. or EMPEROR TOMATO KETCHUP ......
. happy listening!
. btw, I like Stereolab, but they're not the sort of band I listen to all
. the time or anything close to it .... but, then I don't have any of their
. stuff on tape, so ......

But as someone who *is* a big fan and who has both of the albums listed 
above, I would have to recommend Mars Audiac Quintet as their most easily 
digestable, next Random Transient Noise Bursts with Announcements, and 
Emperor Tomato Ketchup somewhere further down the line.  Peng! is also 
pretty good, and it is some people's favorite...   Good luck

cory
1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:00:38 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Re: k.shields rmx's

>  and i have yet to hear the If They Move, Kill Em remix...

Ohhh - heaven is a place thats filled with noise - thats for damn sure -
that remix is just amazing - go pick up that Primal Scream single NOW! It
was only released in limited numbers....
 
> and how does he go a/b this? he gets the master tapes and is free to do
> w/
> the separate parts of the original track as he pleases... i wonder how
> much is
> him playing and what he has just messed around on the computer w/....
> it doesn't really matter of course, i'm just happy w/ the outcome.. only
> curious.

In most cases, the remixing artist is given the master tapes or copies of
the master tapes. He then goes into a studio, does two or three versions of
the song, and then the artist chooses if they want to use them or not...In
some cases, as in the MOBY remixes of 1979 by The Smashing Pumpkins, the
artist might direct the remixer in the direction the band wants to take the
remixes (Billy didn't like the way his voice sounded in the remix so he
made MOBY change it...) Tricky did a remix of Beck';s "Where its at" that
just featured a loop with a heavy drum beat behind of that part in the song
when Beck just goes "AUGHHHHH" through a distortion pedal...the whole song
was like "AUGHHHH" - "AUGHHHH" - "AUGHHHH" - "AUGHHHH" over and over for
about nine minutes...it was rejected of course, and hence was never
released...

	Hope this helps...

				Sincerely, Sillabyss...(ie: Mark Stancombe)

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:21:07 -0500
From: disappearing girl 
Subject: Re: stereolab?

personally i would have to recommend "switched on"... its what got me
interested in stereolab way back when and nothing else has really struck me
in the way that songs like "high expectation" and "the light that will
cease to fail" do... also if you can find the song "john cage bubblegum"
somewhere its a must listen..

emily

At 01:35 PM 6/23/98 -0300, you wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone could reccomend a good stereolab album to
> start off with?  I've heard they're a great band but have yet to even
> hear one of their songs...  I was told to check out 'Transient Random
> Noise Bursts with Announcements' as it was the closest to the 'slowdive
> sound' (whatever that means)...  Anyways, any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> shaun

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:19:38 -0400
From: "Gordon Brown" 
Subject: Stereolab?

I'd agree with the statement about getting the "Switched On" compilations first.
They are more broader, whereas the lps seem a bit more directed to a similar
idea, not just a bunch of different sounding tracks.

If you have difficultly finding them the place to try is Norman Records in
the UK.

Gordon 

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:06:03 EDT
From: M242557sm@aol.com
Subject: Re: stereolab?

i would have to agree.. 
switched on, and peng are my all time two favorite stereolab albums... 
they are still good, but i feel like they have gone down hill.. nothing is as
good as switched on though!! 
shane. 

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:11:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: cory <1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu>
Subject: AUCTION: Swervedriver's Raise (japanese)...

Ok, I need the dough and so I'm auctioning off my prized Swervedriver 
rarity:  Raise (Japanese version) With the x-tra tracks, one available 
only on this release (Andalucia).  It is in VG condition and will be post 
paid to the highest bidder.  If you are interested, please reply to 
me privately (don't post it to the list) with your bids.  i will announce 
the high bidder in a week or so... 

thank you,
cory
1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:16:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gage Crump 
Subject: Re: stereolab?

switched on, refried ectoplasm (their early rare stuff), and definitely
transient random noise bursts are there best. jenny ondioline is amazing,
especially when they go out of phase ten minutes into it. maybe a bit of a
MBV influence (more so live than recorded, beautiful blankets of noise)
and Slowdive is a stretch though i might argue it a little bit on their
very early stuff and only for the guitar sound and not the style,
stereolab is much poppier and electronic. i would avoid emperor tomato
ketchup, mars audiac quintet, and especially dots and loops. the lo-fi
e.p. is one of their best as well. they have a noise passage that has
always reminded me of MBV's glider, its the second half of elektra he held
the world in his iron grip. -gage

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:30:11 +1000 (EST)
From: Alister Thomas 
Subject: Re: Rollerskate Skinny/Flying Saucer Attack

> I love Rollerskate Skinny!  One of my favorite bands.  I believe they were
> started by MBV Kevin's little brother Jimi

Yeah, there probably isn't any connection between the two but I've noticed
that there are a few My Bloody Valentine-esque sounding tracks on
Horsedrawn wishes. Maybe it runs in the family?? Ha!!

> horsedrawn wishes is a great cd.. but if you ever come across their first cd,
> shoulder voices, buy that, its twice as good

So the consensus is that "Shoulder voices" is the album to get??? Mmmmm...
have to check it out...

Another awesome CD I got the other day is "Distance" by Flying Saucer
Attack. Maaaaaan!!! That one just blew me away!!!! Phwoar!!!! Great CD... I
think I'll be buying some more of their stuff pretty damn soon!!!

So, what do Third Eye Foundation sound like??

Alister

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:41:19 +1000 (EST)
From: Alister Thomas 
Subject: Mojave 3 - Mazzy Star similarity??

On the topic of new CD's that I have bought recently, I also got my first
Mazzy Star CD called "So tonight that I might sleep". Excellent CD - I like
it a lot. I know what I'm about to bring up is more or less a well-worn and
debated topic but seeing as though I just got my first Mazzy Star CD, I
thought I'd better have my 2 censt worth on the matter. Is Mojave 3 a Mazzy
Star clone?? I've often heard Mojave 3 critisized on that basis and, to be
honest, I think it's largely unfounded. From what I've heard of Mazzy Star,
I'd have to say that they're a different kettle of fish altogether. OK, so
a couple of songs that Mazzy Star perform do sound a little like Mojave 3
but the majority of what I've heard sounds quite different, indeed. Mazzy
strike me as being quite dark, almost sinister and a little bit on the
experimental side whereas Mojave 3 is much, much more laid back and easy to
listen to. I'd put Mojave 3 down to being good drinking music (and that's
NOT a derogoritory expression coming from me, either!!! Quite the
opposite...) whereas Mazzy is much more angst-ridden and evil... those are
my initial thoughts on the matter, they haven't had much time to develop
but I was a bit baffled as to the comparisons between the two...

Alister

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:50:30 -0400
From: Andrew McMillan 
Subject: Re: 3rd Eye Foundation

Alister Thomas wrote:

> So, what do Third Eye Foundation sound like??

Think more drum 'n' bass than pastoral (ala FSA). I own a disc called "ghost" and
it is downright scary in some parts. Kind of like Tricky in dark/paranoid mood,
but that's not to say that sounds  trip-hoppy in any way.

--
Andrew McMillan

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:46:00 EDT
From: M242557sm@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rollerskate Skinny/Flying Saucer Attack

third eye foundation is kind of a atmospheric kevin shields remix~esque drum n
bass.
shane. 

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:03:25 EDT
From: Binoche21@aol.com
Subject: third eye foundation and drum n bass

yesyesyes.
   third eye foundation sounds like a really old horror film playing way way
way to quickly. i also have the sound of violence ep but it is nowhere near as
nice as ghost. should i still try semtex or whatever? and are there any other
drum n bass type artists that are this great?! i just tried junior varsity km
which came highly recommended and i can't listen to it. suggestions?...

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:05:46 -0700
From: kGB 
Subject: Re: third eye foundation and drum n bass

avalyn@lysator.liu.se wrote:

> yesyesyes.
> third eye foundation sounds like a really old horror film playing way way
> way to quickly. i also have the sound of violence ep but it is nowhere near as
> nice as ghost. should i still try semtex or whatever? and are there any other
> drum n bass type artists that are this great?! i just tried junior varsity km
> which came highly recommended and i can't listen to it. suggestions?...

try In Version, which is 3EF remixes of Flying Saucer Attack, Crescent,
Hood, and AMP whom Matt Elliot aka third eye foundation has been known
to play guitars and drums for.. i think they sound like Slowdive....

other 3EF to check out if you've got Ghost...
Third Eye Foundation's remix of KS Kollective's 'There is No End In Sight'
on Fat Cat records and not that hard to find.  he also did a remix of 'A Cheery
Wave from Stranded Youngsters' on Mogwai's Kicking A Dead Pig release.

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