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	 Re: selling slowdive
	 Re: selling slowdive
	 Re: Unidentified subject!
	 Re: which releases are OOP
	 Re[2]: selling slowdive
	 Re: which releases are OOP
	 Re: Unidentified subject!
	 Re: selling slowdive
	 Re: selling slowdive
	 Re: which releases are OOP
	 Mogwai remixes
	 low
	 Re: which releases are OOP
	 Re: selling slowdive
	 about all that CD-round-up .....

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:55:42 -0500
From: o_o_o 
Subject: Re: selling slowdive

I for one say more power to ya in getting the highest price for your goods.
 Of course, I'm a capitalist pig american, and capitalism is all about
taking advantage of the stupid and/or lazy.
If someone will pay $100 for blueday, that is their business.  Unless you
are their starving child, why should you care?  I expect everyone on this
list is educated enough about slowdive to know the value of these items to
them.  Not to attack Siim Kalder  personally, but why would
these prices get on anyone's nerves?  I am tickled to see them, as I
already own all these releases.  Also, the more times slowdive releases
sell for a high-dollar (or yen, pound, etc.) amount, the more likely some
smart label will take notice and reissue the slowdive catalog.  The music
business is a business like any other, largely driven by demand for
product.  if demand is high enough, they'll increase supply.

At 22:45 24-06-98 +0300, you wrote:
> Yes, these prices are getting on my nerves. I understand people are willing
> to pay a lot for something rare, but they can go too far - I recently saw
> the results of a net auction and someone payed $40 for Morningrise - come
> on??? isn't Morningrise still in print or at least easily available?
>
> At 10:46 24.06.98 -0400, TomR wrote: 
> Stuff for sale (US$$) ---- email if  interested  Blueday
> (japanese)...............................$100 Souvlaki - lim. ed. w/
> Blueday.................$75 Holding our
> Breath.................................$40  Slowdive EP (with
> flaw)..........................$20   take care, Tom   

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:54:11 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Siim Kalder 
Subject: Re: selling slowdive

Yes well, there lies the problem - I don't own all the stuff and as I see
it the prices get enormous mostly because of some kind of public mania,
i.e. people see someone offering something for a very high price and think
the stuff that's being sold has more value this way and urge to buy it
even if they weren't that interested in it before. That's just an opinion,
I might be completely wrong. I agree, that paying a high price is your
own business and I understand the capitalist attitude by whoever is
selling something - why should they sell it for less. But I'm not gonna
feel extremely happy about it ;) 

Not taking it personally, 
Siim

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, o_o_o wrote:
> I for one say more power to ya in getting the highest price for your goods.
> Of course, I'm a capitalist pig american, and capitalism is all about
> taking advantage of the stupid and/or lazy.
> If someone will pay $100 for blueday, that is their business.  Unless you
> are their starving child, why should you care?  I expect everyone on this
> list is educated enough about slowdive to know the value of these items to
> them.  Not to attack Siim Kalder  personally, but why would
> these prices get on anyone's nerves?  I am tickled to see them, as I
> already own all these releases.  Also, the more times slowdive releases
> sell for a high-dollar (or yen, pound, etc.) amount, the more likely some
> smart label will take notice and reissue the slowdive catalog.  The music
> business is a business like any other, largely driven by demand for
> product.  if demand is high enough, they'll increase supply.

___________
siimk@ut.ee

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:32:54 -0400
From: "Gordon Brown" 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

At 22:45 24.6.1998 +0300, you wrote:
> Yes, these prices are getting on my nerves. I understand people are willing
> to pay a lot for something rare, but they can go too far - I recently saw
> the results of a net auction and someone payed $40 for Morningrise - come
> on??? isn't Morningrise still in print or at least easily available?

This brings up a good question: what is in print and what isn't? My guess
is that all the eps, and probably the normal cds, are just warehouse leftovers.
I know that a lot of Stereolab eps are out-of-print but there are still
leftovers
that didn't sell that are made available.

Gord

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:51:37 -0500
From: o_o_o 
Subject: Re: which releases are OOP

Someone mentioned a while back that creation might have reissued one or
more of the EPs, but I've seen nothing to substantiate that.  As far as US
listees are concerned, I don't think any Slowdive is in print, though.  But
for the UK, it seems reasonable to assume the albums would still be in
print.  Certainly they are easy enough to acquire.  Creation records has a
website, but since slowdive isn't a currently-recording artist, they're not
represented there.
We can all agree Blueday is OOP, though.

At 10:32 25-06-98 -0400, you wrote:
>At 22:45 24.6.1998 +0300, you wrote:
>> Yes, these prices are getting on my nerves. I understand people are willing
>> to pay a lot for something rare, but they can go too far - I recently saw
>> the results of a net auction and someone payed $40 for Morningrise - come
>> on??? isn't Morningrise still in print or at least easily available?
>
> This brings up a good question: what is in print and what isn't? My guess
> is that all the eps, and probably the normal cds, are just warehouse
> leftovers.I know that a lot of Stereolab eps are out-of-print but there
> are still leftovers that didn't sell that are made available.
>
> Gord

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 10:18:02 CST
From: Crios@dminet.davidson-marketing.com
Subject: Re[2]: selling slowdive

Fuck that...  You know I actually considered dishing out the money for blue day
considering that I've been looking for it for about three years now... but then
decided that, that just wouldn't be worth it... Would anybody mind dubbing
Blueday for me... 
It would be GREATLY apreeciated...
        
            crios

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:14:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: Re: which releases are OOP

Sorry, but w/ re. to some of the EPs, I'm afraid you are wrong --- whether
they're still printing them or not; they are definitely still available
from distributors ...  If you feel it necessary to substantiate this,
contact Vinyl Ink in Silver Spring, Maryland.

As far as I know, however, the above only applies to SLOWDIVE and HOLDING
OUR BREATH ....

BEST,
MICHAEL

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:29:49 +0200
From: Jorge Palomar 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

> Stuff for sale (US$$) ---- email if  interested   Blueday
> (japanese)...............................$100 >Souvlaki - lim. ed. w/
> Blueday.................$75 Holding our
> Breath.................................$40  Slowdive >EP (with
> flaw)..........................$20    take care, Tom   

I do hate auctions. I'm also subscribed to the indie-pop list and it's full
of them.

You are free to ask for tons of money to sell your records -usury? Maybe-
but, please do not be so stupid to pay these prices.
Record collecting has nothing to do with enjoying music. Pleasure just
comes when you listen to these records, not when you overpay for them.

Love
Jorge

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:32:48 EDT
From: SkyFireRed@aol.com
Subject: Re: selling slowdive

In a message dated 6/25/98 6:02:50 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
gruisinger@pop.umkc.edu writes:

<<
 Of course, I'm a capitalist pig american, and capitalism is all about
 taking advantage of the stupid and/or lazy.
>>

im usually the last one to take the bait on these sort of list remarks, but
for gods sake what an UGLY vibe.
if i had these cds i'd copy them proper for anyone just to avoid this muck.
its not like the band is seeing any money from this crap anyways.
i have an especially hard time correlating the gorgeous slowdive experience
with the "capitalist pig american" mentality.  but hey--thats just one man's
opinion . . .
--james

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:08:23 -0500
From: o_o_o 
Subject: Re: selling slowdive

Okay, I have to defend myself a little. First, I'm not selling my slowdive
CDs.  I do on occassion sell CDs I come across that I know will fetch a
high enough price as to offset my time and trouble in selling them.  But I
helped out a guy several months ago who claimed he had a bunch of slowdive
stolen.  I picked up one or two items for him, and sold them at no profit
to myself.  
That's not to say that I wouldn't ever sell slowdive for a profit.  If I
blundered into a copy of blue day, you can bet I'd auction it off.  But
this profit-driven streak in me does not in any way offset my enjoyment of
slowdive.  I've been a slowdive fan since I bought the slowdive EP eons
ago, when it was first released.  And I bought almost every subsequent
release.
I have taped off slowdive in the past for people, and there is nothing to
say that I wouldn't do it again.  But this list has had so many failed runs
at getting a comp together.  In the end, I think one or more people put
together a CD-R.  Don't know for sure, as I was not involved.  the problems
are two fold: finding someone who has absolutely everything, and then once
someone gets close to making an all ecnompassing rarities collection for
distribution to the list, somebody brings up how this will just crush
rachel and the gang, and how we shouldn't do it, as it could be construed
as copyright violation.  My original point is that if slowdive stuff sells
at a ridiculous premium for long enough, somebody will reissue it.  If ryko
can do a Galaxie 500 box set, I see no reason why a slowdive one would be
any harder.
Obviously the band does not have ownership of some or all of their
material, or it would probably be in print.  I'm sure they signed the same
crappy deal with creation that every young band gets stuck with.  And
creation is in business to make money, period.  I have no idea why creation
is gun shy about reissuing slowdive, but I'm sure they have a decent
reason.  maybe there are only 1,000 or so hard core fans, I don't know.
maybe this list is the sum total of all the slowdive fans in existence.
When I saw them open for ride, not too many people there seemed to be
slowdive fans.  they were all there for ride.  of course, slowdivve T's
cost US$30, so maybe that's why not many people had them on.  christ, sorry
for all this rambling.

And don't take my capitalist pig description as an indicator that I am
wealthy.  I work a regular job like everyone else, trying to make ends meet
and still have cash leftover for records.  I'm just saying that I am not
above selling a CD for the highest price possible.

><<
> Of course, I'm a capitalist pig american, and capitalism is all about
> taking advantage of the stupid and/or lazy.
>>>
>
> im usually the last one to take the bait on these sort of list remarks, but
> for gods sake what an UGLY vibe.
> if i had these cds i'd copy them proper for anyone just to avoid this muck.
> its not like the band is seeing any money from this crap anyways.
> i have an especially hard time correlating the gorgeous slowdive experience
> with the "capitalist pig american" mentality.  but hey--thats just one man's
> opinion . . .
>--james

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:16:52 -0500
From: jv 
Subject: Re: which releases are OOP

Michael Gilham wrote:

> Sorry, but w/ re. to some of the EPs, I'm afraid you are wrong --- whether
> they're still printing them or not; they are definitely still available
> from distributors ...  If you feel it necessary to substantiate this,
> contact Vinyl Ink in Silver Spring, Maryland.
> 
> As far as I know, however, the above only applies to SLOWDIVE and HOLDING
> OUR BREATH ....

I believe that only the vinyl versions of these EPs can still be 
readily obtained. Morningrise is the only EP that is still somewhat
available on CD.

Vinyl Ink currently only lists the Holding our Breath 12" in stock.
Parasol and Sirendisc also usually carry Morningrise on CD.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:05:43 -0500
From: erik 
Subject: Mogwai remixes

As long as we were on the subject of the Mogwai remixes, has anybody heard
their regular stuff? I think it is some of the more inventive of new rock
stuff to come out; the remixes are interesting as well. If anybody would
like the fear satan remix 12" with the Kevin Shields, mu-ziq, and surgeon
remixes, I have an extra one that I would trade for something(possibly
slowdive's five ep or outside your room) Does any one know if these are
particularly hard to find, because I have all the others but can't find
these anywhere. Email me privately if you are interested in the mogwai
thingy.  Also does any one know where I can find that Remedies and Solutions
comp cd?

cheerio,

erik 

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:28:42 -0700
From: Chang Shen 
Subject: low

for all those in love with Low...
their version of "Lord, can you hear me" on the Spacemen 3 cover album
is THE BEST thing I've heard in ages...The album also has tracks from
Bowery Electric, Amp, Flowchart, Mogwai, Transient Waves, etc....SO
worth checking out....
(Has someone already mentioned this before on the list? Hope I'm not
repeating old info...)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:48:09 -0500
From: o_o_o 
Subject: Re: which releases are OOP

Here is all I found in the vinyl ink catalog:
SLOWDIVE  Holding Our Breath UK   12"   $9.50
Contains "Catch The Breeze", "Golden Hair", "Shine" & "Albatross" 

And here is what Parasol has:
Slowdive   Just For A Day   PS, UK (1991)   Creation-094  CD 18.50

so perhaps holding our breath was reissued.  no CD listed, though.  and
nothing on slowdive (aka s/t) or morningrise.

CDnow lists:
Just For A Day CD $11.49 
Souvlaki       CD $11.49
Music Blvd has them both for $10.35 or so.
 
At 12:14 25-06-98 -0400, you wrote:

> Sorry, but w/ re. to some of the EPs, I'm afraid you are wrong --- whether
> they're still printing them or not; they are definitely still available
> from distributors ...  If you feel it necessary to substantiate this,
> contact Vinyl Ink in Silver Spring, Maryland.
>
> As far as I know, however, the above only applies to SLOWDIVE and HOLDING
> OUR BREATH ....
>
> BEST,
> MICHAEL

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:51:33 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Re: selling slowdive

	There were an awful lot of postings about this nonsense of selling
Slowdive material so I'll put in my two cents. First of all, in my opinion,
all music should be free - musicians should be paid as much as doctors and
it is my belief that if money did not exist, art would be the primary focus
of every human being. Because of commerce, the exchange of goods and the
values we as human beings place on mechanical contrivances such as music, I
also see on the other hand no need to freak out about high prices - just
don't buy them. What we all should do is round up ALL of our Slowdive
rarities in a real concerted effort and start distributing these CD's to
everyone on the list at cost price - this would send a stronger message to
record companies than the exchange of these CD's at ridiculously high
prices. 
	Allow me to make an offer - why don't we take a roll call of all the
material we could contribute to a bootleg comp CD. I am a recording
engineer and can offer my services for free, ie, assemble all of these
tracks within the digital domain (ie - no loss of quality) and re-master
them on re-writable CD-ROMs. Lets see if we can work out some other way to
acquire all of this beautiful music without having to pay a high amount of
money for the packaging and artwork...let me know what you think...

		Sincerely, Sillabyss...(ie: Mark Stancombe)

P.S. - all who are interested, either state your mind here, or contact me
personally at  sillabyss@sprint.ca

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> From: o_o_o 
> Subject: Re: selling slowdive
> Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 2:08 PM
> 
> Okay, I have to defend myself a little. First, I'm not selling my slowdive
> CDs.  I do on occassion sell CDs I come across that I know will fetch a
> high enough price as to offset my time and trouble in selling them.  But I
> helped out a guy several months ago who claimed he had a bunch of slowdive
> stolen.  I picked up one or two items for him, and sold them at no profit
> to myself.  
> That's not to say that I wouldn't ever sell slowdive for a profit.  If I
> blundered into a copy of blue day, you can bet I'd auction it off.  But
> this profit-driven streak in me does not in any way offset my enjoyment of
> slowdive.  I've been a slowdive fan since I bought the slowdive EP eons
> ago, when it was first released.  And I bought almost every subsequent
> release.
> I have taped off slowdive in the past for people, and there is nothing to
> say that I wouldn't do it again.  But this list has had so many failed runs
> at getting a comp together.  In the end, I think one or more people put
> together a CD-R.  Don't know for sure, as I was not involved.  the problems
> are two fold: finding someone who has absolutely everything, and then once
> someone gets close to making an all ecnompassing rarities collection for
> distribution to the list, somebody brings up how this will just crush
> rachel and the gang, and how we shouldn't do it, as it could be construed
> as copyright violation.  My original point is that if slowdive stuff sells
> at a ridiculous premium for long enough, somebody will reissue it.  If ryko
> can do a Galaxie 500 box set, I see no reason why a slowdive one would be
> any harder.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:17:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: about all that CD-round-up .....

Erm, sorry, but personally I could care less about CDs .... anachronistic,
maybe, but, hey, I gots to be me!! :-)
	Records are superior, though!

--michael

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