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	 Music...
	 Re: selling slowdive
	 Re: Music...
	 RE: selling slowdive/Bootleg!
	 Re: low
	 Re: low
	 one more time
	 the third eye
	 on the low end
	 Re: on the jessica bailiff end
	 Re: the third eye
	 Re[2]: selling slowdive
	 Why, you ask?
	 and "Slowdive" too!
	 Slowdive Compilation:

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 17:55:55 CST
From: Crios@dminet.davidson-marketing.com
Subject: Music...

I'm in Chicago and we get a periodical called "The Reader."  It comes out once a
week and basically has all the stuff going on for the week printed in it...
The reason I'm writing this is because of a part of an article that caught my
attention...
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"The music business never makes much sense," she says.  "I'm in a position where
I get told, 'MTV doesn't want it' cause it's not on radio, radio doesn't want it
'cause it's not on MTV, college radio is tighter than ever, you can't tour in
summer because school's not in session, you can't tour in winter because the
weather's bad.'  I'm always being told from all sides, 'You can't, you can't,
you can't.'  I came of age in music at a timne when word of mouth, cool bands,
and good songs were making things happen as opposed to this structure that's set
upon it now."  Indeed, bands have become darts, and if they don't hit that el
usive bull's-eye right off the bat, they're quickly put away by thier corporate
keepers.
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How does everyone feel about this???  The reason I'm asking is because Slowdive
is what I feel to be a word of mouth bands....  How do (did) they manage,  What
does this mean!?  What about Mojave 3?
What is the future of music as we know it?  Was it always like this or is it
different now?  I'm just curious to know everybodys take on this?

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:25:55 -0700
From: aaron 
Subject: Re: selling slowdive

someone mentioned wanting a copy of blue day.
if anyone wants a copy of the e.p. songs, bsides, unreleased, whatever,
send me a tape and postage.  email me if interested.

aaron

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:08:48 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Re: Music...

Hey....

In response to....

> "The music business never makes much sense," she says.  "I'm in a position where
> I get told, 'MTV doesn't want it' cause it's not on radio, radio doesn't want it
> 'cause it's not on MTV, college radio is tighter than ever, you can't tour in
> summer because school's not in session, you can't tour in winter because the
> weather's bad.'  I'm always being told from all sides, 'You can't, you can't,
> you can't.'  I came of age in music at a timne when word of mouth, cool bands,
> and good songs were making things happen as opposed to this structure that's set
> upon it now."  Indeed, bands have become darts, and if they don't hit that el
> usive bull's-eye right off the bat, they're quickly put away by thier corporate
> keepers.
>
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> How does everyone feel about this???  The reason I'm asking is because Slowdive
> is what I feel to be a word of mouth bands....  How do (did) they manage, What
> does this mean!?  What about Mojave 3?
> What is the future of music as we know it?  Was it always like this or is it
> different now?  I'm just curious to know everybodys take on this?

	Well, for a long time, ie, most of the 90's people seem to enjoy having
corporate "know-nothings" dictate what we listen to. When Slowdive released
a record, did you ever see it on display within a record store - absolutely
not. Its getting to the point now that radio stations are owned, operated
and run by the record companies themselves. Other record labels are allowed
to "buy" slots on the air for their artists, and here in Canada, Canadian
music - by law! - must be played at least 30% of the time. I used to think
that people dictated to the media what they liked and wanted to hear...ever
since this whole" alternative" thing blew up in the early 90's e every
record label has tried to shove this crap down our throats. A journalist
likened this trend in "grunge" (which is STILL ongoing) to the Mersey Beat
era of the beatles lasting over 9 years - could have taken "She Loves You"
and songs akin to that being played nonstop on every radio station for 9
years... hardly...music has suffered severly because the mainstream has
found away to dictate to people what the people want to hear...they do this
by controlling every facet of promotional industries...there is no where
else to hear of new and exciting bands that do not compromise their art for
commerce, except by word of mouth..radio betrayed us...

			Sincerely, Sillabyss (ie: Mark Stancombe)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:19:36 -0500
From: "Fenkner, Mark" 
Subject: RE: selling slowdive/Bootleg!

I very much agree with Mark.  Though I will support a musician by
purchasing music legitimately when it is available, if the record
companies do not want to make the music available, I do not feel morally
obligated to respect copyright laws (though if The Man, aka Johnny Law,
is on my ass, I might change my mind *wink*).  As an example, I had been
trying to obtain a David Sylvian/Robert Fripp CD for two years with no
luck (and many other friends were in the same position).  I finally
borrowed a copy, put it is my CD-ROM mass-burner (50 at a time), and now
we all have copies ;-)   I will surely help with your efforts in any way
I can.  

Sincerely,

Mark Fenkner


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mark Stancombe [SMTP:sillabyss@sprint.ca]
> Sent:	Thursday, June 25, 1998 4:52 PM
> Subject:	Re: selling slowdive
> 
> 	There were an awful lot of postings about this nonsense of selling
> Slowdive material so I'll put in my two cents. First of all, in my opinion,
> all music should be free - musicians should be paid as much as doctors and
> it is my belief that if money did not exist, art would be the primary focus
> of every human being. Because of commerce, the exchange of goods and the
> values we as human beings place on mechanical contrivances such as music, I
> also see on the other hand no need to freak out about high prices - just
> don't buy them. What we all should do is round up ALL of our Slowdive
> rarities in a real concerted effort and start distributing these CD's to
> everyone on the list at cost price - this would send a stronger message to
> record companies than the exchange of these CD's at ridiculously high
> prices. 
> 	Allow me to make an offer - why don't we take a roll call of all the
> material we could contribute to a bootleg comp CD. I am a recording
> engineer and can offer my services for free, ie, assemble all of these
> tracks within the digital domain (ie - no loss of quality) and re-master
> them on re-writable CD-ROMs. Lets see if we can work out some other way to
> acquire all of this beautiful music without having to pay a high amount of
> money for the packaging and artwork...let me know what you think...
> 
> 		Sincerely, Sillabyss...(ie: Mark Stancombe)
> 
> P.S. - all who are interested, either state your mind here, or contact me
> personally at  sillabyss@sprint.ca
> 
> ----------
> > From: o_o_o 
> > Subject: Re: selling slowdive
> > Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 2:08 PM
> > 
> > Okay, I have to defend myself a little. First, I'm not selling my slowdive
> > CDs.  I do on occassion sell CDs I come across that I know will fetch a
> > high enough price as to offset my time and trouble in selling them. But I
> > helped out a guy several months ago who claimed he had a bunch of slowdive
> > stolen.  I picked up one or two items for him, and sold them at no profit
> > to myself.  
> > That's not to say that I wouldn't ever sell slowdive for a profit. If I
> > blundered into a copy of blue day, you can bet I'd auction it off. But
> > this profit-driven streak in me does not in any way offset my enjoyment of
> > slowdive.  I've been a slowdive fan since I bought the slowdive EP eons
> > ago, when it was first released.  And I bought almost every subsequent
> > release.
> > I have taped off slowdive in the past for people, and there is nothing to
> > say that I wouldn't do it again.  But this list has had so many failed runs
> > at getting a comp together.  In the end, I think one or more people put
> > together a CD-R.  Don't know for sure, as I was not involved.  the problems
> > are two fold: finding someone who has absolutely everything, and then once
> > someone gets close to making an all ecnompassing rarities collection for
> > distribution to the list, somebody brings up how this will just crush
> > rachel and the gang, and how we shouldn't do it, as it could be construed
> > as copyright violation.  My original point is that if slowdive stuff sells
> > at a ridiculous premium for long enough, somebody will reissue it. If ryko
> > can do a Galaxie 500 box set, I see no reason why a slowdive one would be
> > any harder.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:19:39 -0500
From: erik 
Subject: Re: low

At 01:28 PM 6/25/98 -0700, you wrote:
> for all those in love with Low...
> their version of "Lord, can you hear me" on the Spacemen 3 cover album
> is THE BEST thing I've heard in ages...The album also has tracks from
> Bowery Electric, Amp, Flowchart, Mogwai, Transient Waves, etc....SO
> worth checking out....
> (Has someone already mentioned this before on the list? Hope I'm not
> repeating old info...)

This sounds awesome, how long has it been out? What's it called and is it an
import?

erik

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:35:57 EDT
From: M242557sm@aol.com
Subject: Re: low

you can get that comp from parasol mailorder, online.. at 
www.indies.com
probably the best indie mail order around.
shane. 

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 04:32:34 UT
From: "Lisa Johnson" 
Subject: one more time

Not to beat a dead horse, but I too understand the appeal of having the 
Slowdive ep's on CD, but the vinyl is readily available... besides, it sounds 
great (although all 90's Creation pressings are thin compared to the mid-80's 
stuff) the cover art is gorgeous, and you get Avalyn 2, Golden Hair, and a 
slightly different version of Catching the Breeze (which Blue Day lacks).  In 
April I ordered the Slowdive and Holding our Breath vinyl from Let It Be 
records in Minneapolis for $8.99 each, and had them on my turntable within 3 
days... shipped in plastic sleeves nonetheless!  

So buy the vinyl now, and when some unappreciative listener (who is unaware of 
this list) parts with their copy of Blue Day (discovered in the back of the 
closet under the golf bag) you can aquire it for $2 as I did two years ago.  
Plus, the vinyl will always be worth something... Just be patient!  Consider 
how many people bought the first pressing of Slouvaki (based on some "hip" 
review) and ended up with this "lo-fi droning" bonus disc they could care less 
about...  disappointing but true!  And don't forget, Blue Day was available on 
vinyl as well, so don't overlook the "S" section in the vinyl clearance bins 
either...

Best Wishes,
GA

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 04:51:19 UT
From: "Lisa Johnson" 
Subject: the third eye

Earlier on in this discussion of 3EF, someone mentioned brielfy that "Semtex" 
was their favorite release to date... well I couldn't agree more.  I'm shocked 
that nobody else is mentioning it.  A nice companion piece to Amp's "Sirenes", 
it's by far the closest Mr. Elliott has come to fusing blissful guitar 
textures (see FSA) to drum 'n bass... the ambient beauty of "Semtex" makes 
"Ghost" sound like a sheetmetal factory and "Sound of Violence" like... well, 
like he intended I guess.  But if you're into "Ghost", do check out Alec 
Empire's "Low on Ice: The Iceland Sessions".  It's much more subdued and 
minimalist than his other material... not as restrained as Seefeel's "Ch-vox" 
by any means, but you can still drift off listening to it... 

Peace,
Gary 

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 05:17:00 UT
From: "Lisa Johnson" 
Subject: on the low end

I've been fortunate enough to see Low perform 5 times, and I must say they are 
not to be missed!  Even more heart-wrenching than their studio recordings... 
that BeeGees's cover just kills me every time.  The only drawback is the crowd 
noise, so it really depends on the venue and who they're paired up with... 
when they played with the Swans a few years back the folks in black made 
enough chatter to fill a shopping mall (which is a major deal when Low are on 
stage).  However, when they played with Idaho supporting "I Could Live in 
Hope" everyone sat on the floor... 

Speaking of Low, has anyone heard the Jessica Bailiff CD which came out on 
Kranky (!) last week?  It's a collaboration between her (photographed the 
inner sleeve of Long Division) and Low's stellar guitarist Alan Spearhawk... a 
too brief listen revealed a dense, murky sound more reminiscent of "Songs for 
a Dead Pilot" than the crisper Kramer-produced Low material.  Any comments?

and regarding Kramer, I just gazed over at my Bowery Electric double 7" from 
1994 and noticed he produced it too... now why did they ever part ways?

Cheers,
Gary

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:54:33 EDT
From: Binoche21@aol.com
Subject: Re: on the jessica bailiff end

i just got the jessica bailiff a few days ago. i think alan just mostly
produced. mimi and zak play on a few songs. it was recorded at low's studio.
20 below i think. something like that. highly suggested. the samples that
kranky put up just made me think it sounded like a fsa spin off, but listening
to it in more depth, i like this just as much as about anything fsa has done
besides further. i think she is only going to get better also. ummm, i believe
the low site (www.cro-magnon.com/low) has some more pics that she took of low
also. live photos. that is about all i know of this. i also have been
listening to the godspeed you black emporer! constantly and i love it. i have
not heard the kranky release yet though, so how is kranky version in
comparison to the original? do i still need to get the kranky album? 

steven

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:57:36 -0600
From: Brad Nicholson 
Subject: Re: the third eye

At 04:51 AM 26/06/98 +0000, you wrote:
> Earlier on in this discussion of 3EF, someone mentioned brielfy that "Semtex" 
> was their favorite release to date... well I couldn't agree more.  I'm shocked 
> that nobody else is mentioning it.  A nice companion piece to Amp's "Sirenes", 
> it's by far the closest Mr. Elliott has come to fusing blissful guitar 
> textures (see FSA) to drum 'n bass... the ambient beauty of "Semtex" makes 
> "Ghost" sound like a sheetmetal factory and "Sound of Violence" like...

It's worth noting that he actually gave up recording guitars after
"Semtex".  I guess there is guitars on "In Version", but its all remixes.
The textures on "Ghost" and "The Sounds of Violence" are all field
recordings warped to hell with a sampler.  I read an interview with Matt in
which he said there isn't a single guitar track on "Ghost".

brad.

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 08:48:18 CST
From: Crios@dminet.davidson-marketing.com
Subject: Re[2]: selling slowdive

I'm interested... crios@davidson-marketing.com

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:06:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: Why, you ask?

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, o_o_o wrote:

> I for one say more power to ya in getting the highest price for your goods.
> Of course, I'm a capitalist pig american, and capitalism is all about
> taking advantage of the stupid and/or lazy.
> If someone will pay $100 for blueday, that is their business.  Unless you
> are their starving child, why should you care?  I expect everyone on this
> list is educated enough about slowdive to know the value of these items to
> them.  Not to attack Siim Kalder  personally, but why would
> these prices get on anyone's nerves?  I am tickled to see them, as I

BECAUSE:  this is a forum for admirers of Slowdive/Mojave's music.  It IS
NOT a venue for retailers.  Those whom would like to sell goods to the
highest bidder would be advised to rent a booth at their local record
convention.  At the least, don't bother the List w/ ridiculously jacked up
prices:  the readers here are too knowledgable to take them seriously!
	
thank you!
--michael

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:10:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: and "Slowdive" too!

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, o_o_o wrote:

> Here is all I found in the vinyl ink catalog:
> SLOWDIVE  Holding Our Breath UK   12"   $9.50
> Contains "Catch The Breeze", "Golden Hair", "Shine" & "Albatross" 

Vinyl Ink has also had SLOWDIVE in the past mo. and a half.:  according to
the guy there, they can get it back in [though this may have changed since
I was talking w/ him ....]
	Btw, according to their informational stickers on the EPs, they
are current "re-releases" .... I'll let ya' all be the judges of that ....

best,
Michael

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:55:44 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Slowdive Compilation:

Hello...

	Alright, I've worked out several aspects in order to make this compilation
thing successful. First of all, there have been mixed feelings about making
available a bootleg of published songs that are currently out of print, so
perhaps we could make two available - one of published rarities and one of
unpublished rarities. For the published rarities, if anyone has
successfully collected all of the rarities and owns a CD-Rom Burner please
make this available to those that ask for it - if this is a problem then
mail me a copy of the CD-Rom and I will distribute them as per the
distribution guidelines listed further below. For the unpublished rarities
we are looking for about 6 or 7 songs (most of which we have already
found!) that were only performed live - we are missing currently "Colours
In Spin", and a couple of others - please e-mail me with what you have and
I'll post up the running total. We are also looking for the BBC Sessions,
alternate mixes, etc, etc - I will be in a position soon to purchase or
attain afew rarities not otherwise mentioned or listed. I also have some
HMV sessions of Mojave 3 previously unreleased and unpublished.

	For the CD(s) I will gather all of the material, repair and compile them
onto an initial run of about 20 CDs. I will need the co-operation of people
with mass-producing CD burners to help distribute the rest after this
intial run of 20 as for me each CD is burned at my own cost (I do not
PERSONALLY own a CD burner). The first 20 receiving this CD should be
limited to (a) contributors and (b) Distributors (others with CD-ROMs) so
that others can eventually have access to them.

	It is important that no one charge anything for these compilations to
members on this list other than the cost involved in putting them together
and shipping them out.

	As for the actual material I will assemble a proposed list to shoot for of
the material we need and are looking for, for both proposed CDs (published,
unpublished). 

	If this whole thing works out then we could possibly expand to make
available complete concerts on CD. For now though, lets just limit
ourselves to those hard to find studio, session and previously unreleased
or unrecorded live tracks. As mentioned I will keep everyone posted as per
our needs for material and progress in collection.
	Those that have material, e-mail me with what you have and I will e-mail
you back with my address for corresponance. If you need something returned
that is absolutley not a problem! The material would be best sent on a CD
(if a CD burner is available), if not a Maxell TYPE II tape (the shorter
length the better, ie: 60 mins) would be fine - taped directly from the
earliset generation source tape that you have. Any anomalies in the
recording can be taken care of in my studio so unless the material is
completely unlistenable it is still usable. 

	After everything comes together we will work out a system whereby anyone
who wants a CD can get one for a nominal fee to cover costs only. Anyways,
keep you all posted...
				Sincerely....Sillabyss (ie: Mark Stancombe)

- email: sillabyss@sprint.ca

P.S. - for those that already expressed interest - thanks! I'll keep you
all informed.

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