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Today's Topics:
	 Re: I told you so.
	 Re: bootlegs
	 low
	 Gary was right / Hope Blister blisters my ears
	 Labradford page
	 Labradford page correction
	 Re: Gary was right / Hope Blister blisters my ears
	 The smell of Burnt Hair
	 blue skied an' clear
	 : The Source!  READ TO THE BOTTOM
	 in mind remixes
	 Re: Re[2]: Slowdive Compilation:
	 Re: The smell of Burnt Hair
	 forthcoming mojave3 releases?
	 Re: Hope Blister blisters my ears/tarantula: beware
	 Re: in mind remixes
	 Re: in mind remixes

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:44:21 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Re: I told you so.

Hey...!!

> I'm sorry, but I have to point out that this discussion about the rarities
> comp is exactly what I said would happen last week.  This is what always
> happens.  If somebody really wants to see it done, they should just do it,
> and not even mention it to the list at large. 
> shaking my head and going "tisk, tisk,"
> --gary

	(Un)fortunately we need the help of everyone to make this thing happen - I
am still looking for distributors. If we could get somone from England to
cover Europe, (I think I may already have someone) and someone from east
and west USA to cover the larger part of the americas (I'll try and cover
Canada), all with CD burners, then everyone could be guarnteed to have one
of these if they so wish. If you don't agree with the idea of a comp. CD,
please, exhibit a silent protest by not putting your name on the list when
it comes around...less feelings get hurt...:)

			Sincerely, Sillabyss (ie: Mark Stancombe)

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:40:04 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Re: bootlegs

Hey...!

> concerning this thing, i have just one question that i think is relevant
--
> just how different is a cd-r from a tape as far as copyright etc goes?

	Absolutley nothing! When the digital audio tape (DAT) came out, record
manufacturers felt threatened by it because purely digital copies of an
original CD could be made, ie with no loss of quality - tapes were always
considered harmless because of the innequities with its format (ie: tape
stauration, decay, generation loss, decibel loss, etc, etc, etc). If there
was any hoopla on digital technologies and copyright it probably came from
this - with CD-Rs I am sure publishers and record companies aren't exactly
thrilled...but then again TV hated the VCR...consumerism sometimes works in
the consumers favour...

		Sincerely, 

			Sillabyss (ie: Mark Stancombe...)

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:37:14 EDT
From: Mihelkos@aol.com
Subject: low

could somebody please repost the information about the hospital people seven
inch.  i thnk i missed that post and i really could use the address of the
label.
thanks
david

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:21:08 -0500
From: Agent Cooper 
Subject: Gary was right / Hope Blister blisters my ears

Well, I've been freely distributing slowdive's OOP rare tracks by way of MP3
for about what, 8 months? And I haven't gotten any flack from Rachel.

1) The (ex) band doesn't collect royalties on high-priced re-sales.

2) There is no slowdive anymore. There is no "band" to consider.

3) Rachel says slowdive's work amounted to "funny noises". Even if one was so
considerate as to worry about former band members' opinions of a bootleg, this
would seem to mitigate such concerns.

4) Anything that keeps money OUT of David Stack's pockets is a worthwhile
endeavor, which was why I started posting the MP3s.

Don't ask morality questions. We're all fans here. Do it at-cost. Once it's
out there, it can't be un-done so any further ethics ponderances will be moot.

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> Just joined the list. Not for fear of offending anyone, but want to put
> out a request;
> have been looking to replace stolen copies of Blue Day and 5 ep for a
> while,
> if anyone has copies to sell /trade-
> Don't know if it's been talked about, but picked up Hope Blister (4AD)
> recently.
> Quite good.

Your Blue Day request was not the offensive part of your message...

Hope Blister's "cover" of Dagger would definitely be sufficiently terrible for
a jury to rule the band's (hypothetical) vicious murder as JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE.

====

You know, I should thank the Vapour Trail list master for being a P.C. facist.
My blood pressure would probably be way too high after reading several hundred
posts saying, "U R dumb! Tarantula was RIDE's best ever! (Followed closely by C.O.L.)"

Eat my feces, Evan.

-- 

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:39:21 EDT
From: Binoche21@aol.com
Subject: Labradford page

hello,
   i have been working on a Labradford page since i can not remember them ever
having a really nice page and they definitely deserve one. the address is

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/mezzanine/3781/index.html

i could really use some help though. i am sure of you must have seen them live
and could send in some reviews or something. any information i am missing,
complete song titles for mi media naranja ( i know the first song is
"spaghetti" but i would like all the names), if my discography is missing
anything, if you know of any links to reviews or interviews on the net that i
do not have up on my page, etc... etc... i know there must be interest for
this so your help would be greatly appreciated. pleeeeeeeeeeeease some help
yes. also if someone could forward this to the mbv list and any other lists
that might care, that would make me happy. yes please please please, thank
you.

steven

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:51:36 EDT
From: Binoche21@aol.com
Subject: Labradford page correction

> http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/mezzanine/3781/index.html

argh... wrong addres it is 7381/index.html             sooooooooooo sorry

steven

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/mezzanine/7381/index.html

please do correct that before forwarding it to any other lists. maybe i should
just go to bed. sorry. thank you. etc...

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:25:52 -0400
From: eddiej7@juno.com (i'll be your future boy)
Subject: Re: Gary was right / Hope Blister blisters my ears

> Well, I've been freely distributing slowdive's OOP rare tracks by way of MP3
> for about what, 8 months? And I haven't gotten any flack from Rachel.

Good for you.    If she told you to knock it off,
would you?

> 2) There is no slowdive anymore. There is no "band" to consider.

While the band does not record together, that doesn't change
any of the copyright laws.    The copyrights are the same whether
Slowdive  exists or not.

> 3) Rachel says slowdive's work amounted to "funny noises". Even if one 
> was so considerate as to worry about former band members' opinions of a 
> bootleg, this would seem to mitigate such concerns.

Your logic is rather patchy, however, i feel confident that Neil, Rachel,
and Ian are all proud of their former work with Slowdive.    

People say things they don't mean.   Andy Bell called Ride "an
apprenticeship"
and that Ride was just "4 kids messing around in a studio."  in an email
interview, he said he was proud of his work with Ride, and that the
remarks were out of context.   Journalists have a proclivity
towards construing things toward their own fashion.
I'd bet the same is true in Rachel's case.

> 4) Anything that keeps money OUT of David Stack's pockets is a 
> worthwhile endeavor, which was why I started posting the MP3s.

Congrats!  you are the Avalyn listee of the month!  
Seriously,  it's great that you do post the .mp3s.    However,
if Rachel explicitly asked you not to post them, i'd hope you
wouldn't.    
Forget copyrights and the like, if she asked you not to post
them, it would be the considerate thing to do to comply.


> Don't ask morality questions. 

ludicrous statement.    When no one ever feels inclined
to ask so-called "morality questions," events such as the
Holocaust occur.  

>====
> You know, I should thank the Vapour Trail list master for being a P.C. 
> facist.

You've caught me!  i'm a PC facist.      

> My blood pressure would probably be way too high after reading several 
> hundred posts saying, "U R dumb! Tarantula was RIDE's best ever! (Followed 
> closely by C.O.L.)"

We've been over this one a million times.   I don't think i purposely
kicked you off (as you so claim), but if i did, you certainly deserved it,
and i'm quite glad.       However, if you choose to resubscribe,
you're more than welcome.    If you act as you did previously, I will
unsubscribe you.    If you're interested, write me privately.

> Eat my feces, Evan.

Excellent .html coding sir.        

Evan

I'm a PC facist.     Thanks for noticing.

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 04:05:15 -0700
From: "Kalhoun" 
Subject: The smell of Burnt Hair

Does anyone know if the record label Burnt Hair has an email addy?  And has
anyone heard Alison's Halo?  They are supposed to be pretty good, though
I've never heard them...

Any opinions?

Thanks.

Tim

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:01:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: blue skied an' clear

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Agent Cooper wrote:

> 3) Rachel says slowdive's work amounted to "funny noises". Even if one was so
> considerate as to worry about former band members' opinions of a bootleg, this
> would seem to mitigate such concerns.

All right,  All right!  it is high time I put a stop to this misconception
-- or what looks to be one, as far as I can tell.  This is something I
meant to do mos. ago but never got 'round to it ......

FIRST,  the quote re. "funny noises" was Neil's not Rachel's [unless the
thing was typed in wrong]! How the one whom originally posted the above
got this mixed up I cannot fathom .... At the time, I figured most
would've picked up on the above; so I did not make comment.  Since,
however, it became clear that my assumption was incorrect to some extent
....

SECOND, what Neil was quoted as saying did not imply that he thought
Slowdive's body of work merely "amounted to funny noises" ....
	Rather he was quoted as saying something to the effect that the
band sent much of their time in the studio creating "funny noises" ....
Maybe only a fine distinction -- depending on how one wants to take it --
but a distinction, nevertheless ...

Anyway, because of all the above, I still have the original post saved;
and will send it (separately, I'm afraid ...) along.


I wonder if Rachel still reads this list?
	If so, I'm a little surprised she didn't somehow correct the above
mis-attribution some time ago ... but, then, I'm sure she has better
things to do ....

best,
Michael

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:08:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: : The Source!  READ TO THE BOTTOM

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:10:05 +0000
From: Myron 
Subject: Mojave 3 SXSW article

__________________________________________________
What Myron writes in the below re. Rachel is, unfortunately, erroneous:
unless he knows something the author did not :-) .... --mg

*****************************************************
Here's an article from yesterday's student paper here at the
University of Texas at Austin.  Very informative and concise
article if you ask me!  I'm a little hurt that Rachel dismisses
Slowdive as "funny noises" however.
Myron
****************************


England's Mojave 3 perform rare show
Stephanie Trong
Daily Texan Staff

It's been two years since the London-based Mojave 3 have released
anything and fans have had the chance to hear new material in
person. Those who attended the band's March 21 performance at
the Electric Lounge during South by Southwest are several months
ahead of the game -- the upcoming album isn't scheduled for release
in England until next August, and the U.S. release date will be even
farther in the future.

Guitarist/vocalist Neal Halstead said the group (also comprised of
vocalist Rachel Goswell and drummer Ian McCutcheon) started
putting together demos for the new record as early as January 1997,
but since then, time has sort of disappeared. He said the group had
trouble finding the sort of environment it wanted to mix the
recording in and moved around quite a lot.

"There were a couple of points where we started mixing in studios
and decided that we didn't want to carry on, so things kind of got
put back because of that," said Halstead. 

With the album just completed, the band wanted some feedback,
and the Austin audience was the only city in the United States lucky
enough to offer this service. Mojave 3, on the independent record
label 4AD, is no longer licensed in America through Warner
Brothers. As a result, all future plans for a U.S. tour are currently
on hold, and the SXSW show was one of a kind. 

"It just came at a good time, because we've really just finished the
record and we haven't got a license in America anymore, so this is a
good opportunity to look for another deal out there," Halstead said.

The music unveiled last week sounded different than material from
the band's past. Since the release of their first record Ask Me
Tomorrow, Mojave 3 have expanded to five members with the
addition of another guitarist and a piano/organ player. The presence
of these new members added enough volume to shatter the quiet
ambience that had previously made this band so treasured. 

Every song was a strummy, upbeat lament spared of any subtle
moments. Sounding very much like a true Country & Western
group, one would think long-stretching highways and tumbleweeds
were prevalent in England.

Halstead said the new lineup provides a fuller sound. "Essentially
what we tried to do with the first record was to keep it quite minimal
and it just ended up being very acoustic. There's more to the new
record because there's now a feeling of a whole band."

The songs on Mojave 3's first record were indeed minimal. The
music on Ask Me Tomorrow reflected the aesthetics of the
wide-open space from which the band takes its name. In the desert,
against the backdrop of nothing but miles of sand, colors appear
more vibrant, the wind is louder, and the sun's heat is more
piercing.

Similarly, the soothing vocals, acoustic and slide guitar, and
brushed drums were used so sparingly that their effect on the
listener was magnified, free of unnecessary crowding and
complexity. The occasional burst of sound was like a bloom
amongst expansive nothingness, so breathtaking because of its
rarity. 

That said, one would never guess this band contains three former
members of Slowdive, the British effects-laden outfit that was once
a major player on the English pedal-hopping front. 

Instead of getting noisier and more earsplitting with age, the band
has altogether spared its audience of a need to wear earplugs, opting
for a softer sound that has previously been compared to the likes of
Neil Young, Mazzy Star and Leonard Cohen. 

"With Slowdive there was more emphasis on the actual production,
and we spent a lot of time in the studio must making funny noises,
really," Halstead said. "With Mojave we really wanted to try and get
a sense of intimacy."

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:13:31 +0300 (EET DST)
From: henrik 
Subject: in mind remixes

hello,
 has anyone seen in mind remixes or morningrise on sale (preferably 
on cd) somewhere (mail order maybe)? it's not easy to get your hands 
on things down here in this corner of the world...  - h.

--
Moritz.botany.ut.ee/~kukulain
kukulain@Moritz.botany.ut.ee

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:27:00 EDT
From: KingoGrief@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Slowdive Compilation:

In a message dated 98-06-28 17:57:01 EDT, you write:

<<
 Has anybody asked what the band or Rachel think of the enormous amount of
 money that's being paid for the out of print stuff? I think not...
>>

maybe we should ask the folks at creation what *they* think...

jeff

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:25:54 +0600
From: box-and-whiskers 
Subject: Re: The smell of Burnt Hair

quoth kalhoun:

> Does anyone know if the record label Burnt Hair has an email addy?

good question.  i haven't seen one on any of the records.

> And has
> anyone heard Alison's Halo?  They are supposed to be pretty good, though
> I've never heard them...

yeah, they're 'pretty good' -- atmospheric guitars, beautiful female vocals
-- y'know, the usual. ;]  as for the rest of the dirt:  they're a
three-piece from tempe, arizona, and one of the flagship bands of the
so-called 'beautiful noise' scene (along with half string,
lovesliescrushing, et al.) that was going on there a few years back, but has
since fizzled out.  they had the excellent _calendar/dozen_ 7" on
independent project, and at least one compilation track (that i know of).
they have recently released a full-length album entitled _eyedazzler_ on
burnt hair (which i'm sure is why you're asking :] ), that i think includes
the 7" tracks in addition to new songs.  don't know if they're still playing
together though.  oh yeah, and adam and catherine from the band used to put
out a really excellent zine called _whirlpool_, but most unfortunately, i
think they packed it in after only the second issue.
susan.

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:36:31 +0600
From: box-and-whiskers 
Subject: forthcoming mojave3 releases?

okay, so the single for 'who do you love?' was supposedly released today (at
least in the u.k.).  so did anyone rush out and get it?  also, on the uk
indie's 'new music release listings' that was posted a week or so ago, a
single for the track 'some kinda angel' with a release date of august 17th
was listed (in addition to the listings for 'who do you love?' for today and
the full-length (_out of tune_?) for september).  does anyone have any
information about this?  oh yeah, and a few weeks ago, some guy had _out of
tune _ as a 'now playing' in his message to the indiepop list.  but of
course i neglected to save the message so that i could ask him how he
managed to score a copy so far in advance.  his e-mail wasn't '@4ad.com',
and i gathered from the context of his message that he was in the u.s.  has
anyone encountered any of these floating around anywhere?
alright, that's enough questions for one message.
susan.

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:43:23 EDT
From: KingoGrief@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hope Blister blisters my ears/tarantula: beware

In a message dated 98-06-29 13:19:47 EDT, agent cooper writes:

<<
 Hope Blister's "cover" of Dagger would definitely be sufficiently terrible
 for a jury to rule the band's (hypothetical) vicious murder as JUSTIFIABLE
 HOMICIDE.
>>


ok, the "dagger" cover left a bit to be desired...the album as a whole,
however, is beautiful...i'd even venture to say it's more cohesive than the
last tmc album...plus, eno and cale covers!! what's not to love?

<<
 You know, I should thank the Vapour Trail list master for being a P.C. facist.
 My blood pressure would probably be way too high after reading several hundred
 posts saying, "U R dumb! Tarantula was RIDE's best ever! (Followed closely by
 C.O.L.)"
>>

i just picked up *tarantula* at a pawn shop for $3 a few weks back...haven't
spun it yet...did i overpay?  i'm just now starting to collect ride stuff
after years of merely passing interest...i figure it can't be that bad if it
shares a name with my favorite tmc song...

jeff

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:08:58 EDT
From: KingoGrief@aol.com
Subject: Re: in mind remixes

In a message dated 98-06-29 20:25:10 EDT, henrik asks:

<<
 has anyone seen in mind remixes or morningrise on sale (preferably 
 on cd) somewhere (mail order maybe)? it's not easy to get your hands 
 on things down here in this corner of the world...
>>

there's a shop near downtonw houston that's had a copy of the "in mind" mix cd
for several months now...10.99 for a (presumably) new copy...let me know if
you need further info...

jeff

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:14:23 EDT
From: Catchbreez@aol.com
Subject: Re: in mind remixes

i have 
the in mind remixes
on cd and vinyl

steve

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