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Today's Topics:
	 Re: ...and because.
	 Re: ...and because.
	 Re: ...and because.
	 MP3s find a home
	 Re: mice gaze at the caseous moon
	 Yet Another Slowdive Compilation Update....
	 Re: mice gaze at the caseous moon
	 Windy & Carl / Mahogany show
	 Re: Yet Another Slowdive Compilation Update....
	 Slowdive's name
	 Re: Slowdive's name
	 Re: Slowdive's name
	 if you are bored....
	 Thoughts on Blue Day...
	 Laika, Mogwai, and the meaning of life
	 Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...
	 Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...
	 Re: Laika, Mogwai, and the meaning of life
	 Re: Laika, Mogwai, and the meaning of life
	 Mogwai
	 Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...
	 Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:56:09 EDT
From: KingoGrief@aol.com
Subject: Re: ...and because.

In a message dated 98-07-12 23:52:38 EDT, rainboy wrote:

<<
 album: pygmalion. i think, so far, i am the only one who picked this. this
 is the most amazing, brilliant piece of art ever committed to tape. the end.
>>


believe me, i have a tough time choosing between *souvlaki* and *pygmalion* as
the absolute best slowdive album...i chose *souvlaki* for the poll because 80%
of my top-5-songs list came from it...but then again, i think *pygmalion* is
best appreciated as a whole...it's a tough call...

jeff

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:50:01 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Re: ...and because.

Hey...

> pygmalion is definitely my favorite as well because it still holds
> those slowdive elements (echo, floating sounds) and as an album, i think it
> feels like a complete whole whereas both Just for a day and souvlaki seem
> more splintered.  Actually some of my favorite albums (Xuvetyn and Loveless)
> are similar to pygmalion because I see them as a whole instead of individual
> songs.

	The only reason I didn't like Pygmalion as much as Slowdive's other
records is because it sounds like Neil basically ditched everybody in the
band (including Rachel!) and was just messing about with some computers and
technology. I was kind of disapointed when I first heard Pygmalion. If
Slowdive had put together another record like "Souvlaki" Slowdive probably
could have achieved great levels of success. I remember hearing "Allison"
quite alot on the radio and on "Muchmusic" here in Canada. Probably Eno's
influence that lead to Pygmalion - still breathtaking in every way, but
disapointing as it ended their career. 

		Sincerely, Sillabyss....(ie: Mark)

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:39:49 EDT
From: Catchbreez@aol.com
Subject: Re: ...and because.

i agree pymallion is more of a work of art 
and the songs are great
but when you see it as a whole and compare it to the rest of the albums it
stands out

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:45:23 -0500
From: Byron 
Subject: MP3s find a home

Ok, even though I still think everyone on the list should mail me a dollar =)
it seems that the non-album slowdive MP3s have found a home.

Just point your browsers to:
http://www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/~tmoeller/Music/Slowdive/

and you will find everything (including Some Velvet Morning for you non-U.S.
Souvlaki owners), with the following exceptions:

Albatross
Avalyn 1
Shine
Slowdive
Losing Today
Catch The Breeze (Holding Our Breath version)

By Sunday afternoon/evening the collection should be complete.

All of these files total to nearly 100 MB of web storage space, so many thanks
go to Torsten for hosting the site! (Of course, I was the one who paid the
money to acquire the originals, and spent the time converting them to MP3s,
and uploading them... heheh - how's about if the list ever prints up custom
t-shirts or live/bootleg CDs I get a free one? :]  )

Ok, see you later.

Agent Cooper

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:56:10 EDT
From: Catchbreez@aol.com
Subject: Re: mice gaze at the caseous moon

grimble grumble never heard of them

then again
i dont want a band to sound like slowdive
i like the influecne in a band but bands need their own sound
i have said it once and ill say it again
the autumns are a band i think that captures the essence of souvlaki era
slowdive
and combines with with their own emotion

steve

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:48:54 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Yet Another Slowdive Compilation Update....

Hey everyone...

Just to give you all an update on that live Slowdive bootleg I am in the
process of compiling. We have tracked down a signifigant number of tracks
already, but unfortunately are missing still the Peel Sessions. If anyone
has these please e-mail me. Just let it be known also that everyone that
sends me material to contribute to this compilation will receive their copy
without any cost - in other words I will cover the cost of pastage for them
and the price of the CDR.

I just finished mastering some of my own Mojave 3 rare stuff. I have 4
songs recorded at an HMV in-store here in Toronto as well as a showcase at
their "Shaving The Pavement Tour" a couple of summers back. If this
Slowdive boot fails to materialize (I really really hope it won't) I will
focus my attention on distributing this material to anyone that wants it.
For now though lets just focus on this incredible Slowdive compilation. 

Please e-mail me at sillabyss@sprint.ca if we haven't already had
correspondence. As I mentioned earlier we have collected alot of the
material for this comp already and are just waiting for the material to
arrive. Those mailing me material - please let me know if there are any
problems with this and we can work something out. Anyways, lets all hope
for the best on this one - I want to see everyone owning a copy by
September. Thanks everyone for your support...

Sincerely, Sillabyss (ie: Mark E. Stancombe, etc...)

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:46:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: mike p 
Subject: Re: mice gaze at the caseous moon

> firstly, much to my HORROR, not a single soul included 
> grimble grumble in their top ten's. this is absolutely mind boggling to 
> me, considering this is a slowdive list and all, and they're the ONLY 
> band to come close to slowdive's beauty (in my opinion)...

well, to some.. grimble grumble = boring space rock. good background music

to me,.. well you guessed. but slowdive is still magic

mike

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:50:58 PDT
From: "Matthew Allen" 
Subject: Windy & Carl / Mahogany show

Few bands come close to matching the beauty that Slowdive created in 
their live sets, but these bands did more than an admirable job this 
past weekend in Chicago.  If either of these bands come to your town, do 
not hesitate to check them out.

I've never seen the crowd at the Empty Bottle so mellow, especially 
since the last time I had been there was on July 4th to catch Bardo Pond 
(American Independence Day -- where kids were shooting bottle rockets at 
my car -- made me feel as if I were in Beirut.) Both nights were noisy, 
but the Windy & Carl set was much more subtle.  Mahogany was equally as 
breathtaking.

I thought I saw someone wearing a "Souvlaki" tour shirt in the audience, 
too.  An all around enjoyable evening!


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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:54:07 -0500
From: "whipsnade." 
Subject: Re: Yet Another Slowdive Compilation Update....

hrm.

At 08:48 AM 7/14/98 -0400, Mark Stancombe wrote:

> I just finished mastering some of my own Mojave 3 rare stuff. I have 4
> songs recorded at an HMV in-store here in Toronto as well as a showcase at
> their "Shaving The Pavement Tour" a couple of summers back. If this
> Slowdive boot fails to materialize (I really really hope it won't) I will
> focus my attention on distributing this material to anyone that wants it.
> For now though lets just focus on this incredible Slowdive compilation. 

 i think it would be nice to have "trying to reach you" on the compliation
or something...its an amazing song, and im so very disappointed its not
going to be on "out of tune" (which i am not impressed with at all, from
what ive heard thus far..)

douglaspaul.

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:35:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Fletcher 
Subject: Slowdive's name

Where did Slowdive get their name?  Anyone know or remember? I think
Neil mentioned once that he had a dream in which he remembered two
words: Slowdive and Slowburn...  Any insight would be appreciated...
Thanks...

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:45:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lorraine Lelis 
Subject: Re: Slowdive's name

On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Ryan Fletcher wrote:

> Where did Slowdive get their name?  Anyone know or remember? I think
> Neil mentioned once that he had a dream in which he remembered two
> words: Slowdive and Slowburn...  Any insight would be appreciated...
> Thanks...

you just answered the question yourself!  although what's ironic is that
siouxsie and the banshees have a song called "slowdive" and rachel was a
really big siouxsie fan...

lorraine

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:18:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: Re: Slowdive's name

On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Ryan Fletcher wrote:

> Where did Slowdive get their name?  Anyone know or remember? I think
> Neil mentioned once that he had a dream in which he remembered two
> words: Slowdive and Slowburn...  Any insight would be appreciated...
> Thanks...

this info can be found on one of the Slowdive web-sites.  Sorry, but i am
not sure which one -- maybe even both??

By the way, you have the story pretty close, there ...  The name
was, in fact, taken from a dream Neil had ...
Although, it so happens, it was the title of a Banshees' song, and
single, some several years earlier ...
Of course, this is mostly, or all, coincidence ....

cheers,
Michael 

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:01:39 -0700
From: Kevin Wood 
        jamie@cris.com
Subject: if you are bored....

hey all....

if any of you are bored, check out a new song I did over the weekend....

It's my solo project "snowmobile"...the song is tentatively called "paint
yourself a picture."

(fellow Solarium bandmate Eliot plays bass on this track as well)

It's a little different than the other snowmobile songs I have sent
out....it is pretty long(8 1/2 minutes) and builds itself with lots of
different instruments adding to the mix....

anyway, let me know what you guys think!

(it's encoded in RealAudio...one at 32kbps, and one at 80kbps for those
with fast connections....of course the 80kbps sounds much much better as
the drums dont get lost in the compression...)

http://www.news.com/Beta/kwood/pictureLOW.ram

http://www.news.com/Beta/kwood/pictureHIGH.ram


thanks!
-kevin

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:53:46 +1000 (EST)
From: Alister Thomas 
Subject: Thoughts on Blue Day...

I have often wondered why everyone seems to kick up such a fuss over the
holy grail for Slowdive collectors/listeners, Blue Day. I mean, fair enough
that the music on it is great etc. but there are some points of logic that
I just don't seem to be able to get past when considering how much people
pay for it and how much people seem to want it. Firstly, it is a collection
of their 1st three EP's (minus a few tracks - critical point) meaning that
if one were to get those 3 EP's separately, then there'd be no need to get
Blue Day. Secondly, it is incomplete - there are 3 tracks missing from Blue
Day that you can get on the 3 EP's, if you were to get them separately.
Thirdly, considering the prices I have seen Blue Day being sold for (up to
US$200), wouldn't it be cheaper and more sensible to just buy the first 3
EP's??? I mean, you wouldn't have any tracks missing, like you do with Blue
Day. It would aslo be A HELL OF A LOT CHEAPER to but the 3 EP's than it
would to buy the single Blue Day CD (the 3 EP's would aslo be a lot easier
to find, I can assure you). Given these facts, it is beyond me why people
seem to want Blue Day so much!! I mean, it's a collectors item, sure, but
unless you're a Slowdive completist (which is an expensive little hobby!),
then where does it's value lie?? Ok, ok - I hear the usual supply/demand
arument being hurled at me from all quarters (and that's a valid argument)
but if you were so desparate to get this music, then it would be a more
worthwhile venture to track the 1st three EP's down, for reasons I've
already stated. I was looking through the back issues of the Avalyn Digest
and I have seen a lot of people asking for copies of Blue Day to be made
for them. I find this to be quite strange. Why not just ask for a copy of
the 1st three EP's??? I mean, if you're a collector, then what value does a
mere COPY of Blue Day have???? Bear all of these points in mind when I ask
the question: where on earth does the value of Blue Day lie??? (unless
you're a serious collector). I'm often baffled by the whole Blue Day
phenomenon...

Alister

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:13:56 -0300
From: Shaun Schmeisser 
Subject: Laika, Mogwai, and the meaning of life

Noticed my local HMV was stocking Laika's Sounds of the Satellites and
Mogwai's Ten Rapid (a big deal here), so i was wondering if these were
worth picking up as i've never heard either band before, but have heard
they're good...
shaun

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:10:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: professor plum 
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...

it's a nice cohesive collection of early slowdive, and it can be found for
as little as $35-40.  (yeah, i know, "for a goddamn EP?")

; e.

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: mike p 
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...

> you're a serious collector). I'm often baffled by the whole Blue Day
> phenomenon...

for most people blue day has a sort of mystical value. as you said
allistar, i don't know why. maybe cos its rarer than the EPs (?)

i think the only reason i ever use the phase "blue day" is cos it's easier
to refer to that body of work then naming the EPs or even more
pretentiously saying "slowdive's first 3 EPs". thats almost asking for
some bystanding conversation listener to blurt out that "oh, i  have their
demo tape".. without even knowing what band yr talking about. of coure i
live with some sarcastic bastards.. oops im rambling

mike

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:03:51 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Re: Laika, Mogwai, and the meaning of life

> Noticed my local HMV was stocking Laika's Sounds of the Satellites and
> Mogwai's Ten Rapid (a big deal here), so i was wondering if these were
> worth picking up as i've never heard either band before, but have heard
> they're good...

	"Lower Than The Stars"....Laika are good...

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:13:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: mike p 
Subject: Re: Laika, Mogwai, and the meaning of life

> Noticed my local HMV was stocking Laika's Sounds of the Satellites and

well, im not a mogwai fan.. but the Laika Cd is really good. it might take
some getting used to tho. on first listen i thought it was kindof
mainstreamy or something actually.

miqe 

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:38:00 +0100
From: "Samuels, Mark" 
Subject: Mogwai

"well, im not a mogwai fan.. "

It's all a matter of opinion and taste I suppose but I think anyone 
interested in Slowdive should check Mogwai out.  Yeah, there's a lot of 
white noise but there's also some bloody nice songs in there.

Check out 'New Paths to Helicon' and 'Tracy' for some of the best British 
shoegazey type stuff to emerge post-Slowdive.

Cheers,
Mark

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:49:00 -0700
From: aaron 
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...

Alister Thomas wrote:
> 
> Firstly, it is a collection
> of their 1st three EP's (minus a few tracks - critical point) meaning that
> if one were to get those 3 EP's separately, then there'd be no need to get
> Blue Day. 
> Secondly, it is incomplete - there are 3 tracks missing from Blue
> Day that you can get on the 3 EP's, if you were to get them separately.
> Thirdly, considering the prices I have seen Blue Day being sold for (up to
> US$200), wouldn't it be cheaper and more sensible to just buy the first 3
> EP's??? I mean, you wouldn't have any tracks missing, like you do with Blue
> Day. 

wait, let me get this straight.  so, if i buy all three eps then i won't
need blue day? 

> It would aslo be A HELL OF A LOT CHEAPER to but the 3 EP's than it
> would to buy the single Blue Day CD (the 3 EP's would aslo be a lot easier
> to find, I can assure you). 

Up until a year or two ago, blue day and holding our breath were going
for about the same price.  I'm not sure why the going rate for blue day
has doubled in the last 12 or 18 months (at least on this list)

> Given these facts, it is beyond me why people
> seem to want Blue Day so much!! 

it has a nice cover.

> I was looking through the back issues of the Avalyn Digest
> and I have seen a lot of people asking for copies of Blue Day to be made
> for them. I find this to be quite strange. Why not just ask for a copy of
> the 1st three EP's??? 

people don't always know what's on (or not on) blue day.  they usually
mean that they want a copy of all the old stuff.

aaron

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:02:34 +0300 (EET DST)
From: henrik 
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...

On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, aaron wrote:

> it has a nice cover.

...which is a fact that can hardly be overlooked. through all their 
releases i know, slowdive have had the best cover designs i've seen so 
far. see souvlaki us edition or pygmalion, for example. i seem to have 
an obsession about this, as it was actually pygmalion's sleeve design 
that first got me interested in slowdive (as weird as that may be). h.
...forgot to mention just for a day...

--
Moritz.botany.ut.ee/~kukulain

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