The Avalyn Digest
Vol.98 #102
July 16th, 1998
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html
Today's Topics:
Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...
Mojave 3 NME live review 15.07.98
Mojave 3 Live gig... (fwd)
Re: Mogwai
Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...
I NEED TIX FOR VERVE AUG 6 IN NYC
mojave 3 live
Re: Mogwai/Bardo R.I.P.
Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...
Re: Mojave 3 Live gig... (fwd)
Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...
Re: Mogwai/Bardo R.I.P.
Sing Sing?
Re: Sing Sing?
Re: Thoughts on Blue Day... -souvlaki cover....uk or japan?
Re: Sing Sing?
Singles....
Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...
Snowpony
Re: Snowpony
Re: Snowpony
SPLIT
Jesus and Mary Chain at Irving Plaza 7/15
Re: Jesus and Mary Chain at Irving Plaza 7/15
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:41:40 EDT
From: ALTONBARNS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...
In a message dated 15/07/98 16:15:00, you write:
<< ...which is a fact that can hardly be overlooked. through all their
releases i know, slowdive have had the best cover designs i've seen so
far. see souvlaki us edition or pygmalion, for example. i seem to have
an obsession about this, as it was actually pygmalion's sleeve design
that first got me interested in slowdive (as weird as that may be). h.
...forgot to mention just for a day.. >>
Yes...good cover....suits the music...Does anyone know anything about the
artist STEVEN WOODHOUSE.....was he an old college friend of the band???
Ant
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:40:22 EDT
From: ALTONBARNS@aol.com
Subject: Mojave 3 NME live review 15.07.98
New Musical Express (UK) 15.07.98 p36 (Reviewed by April Long)
MOJAVE 3 live review - LONDON King's Cross Water Rats
For Mojave 3's Neil Halstead and Rachel Goswell, sonic experimentation is
nothing new. Their first incarnation as Slowdive saw them dabbling with hazy
atmospherics before venturing, less successfully, into ambient electronica.
Now, with new single 'Who Do You Love', they turn up a more traditional card
with floaty multi-layered harmonies and somnolent strummings.
Although vaguely reminiscent of the footware-ogling days of yore, the emphasis
has shifted from feedback to emotionally-charged, pastoral semi-acoustics.
To contribute a melancholic country-tinged twang to the proceedings, they've
even recuited steel pedal guitarist BJ Cole, who ambles in halfway through the
lovely 'Baby's Coming Home'. As it ends, Halstead spots Bernard Butler in the
front row and smiles. Welcome to Mojave 3. Not so much shoe-gazing as star-
gazing.
------------------------------------
A review is also published in this weeks Melody Maker.....but as I can't stand
the paper, (Due to its recent dumbing down - and general poor quality) I read
it in the shop instead of purchasing it (Ha!). However, the reviewer was not
convinced.....'Mojave 3 spent too much time messing about tuning up' (I hope
they never review a Belle and Sebastian gig then!).
Hope this is of use!
Antony
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:43:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Roseborough
Subject: Mojave 3 Live gig... (fwd)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:13:36 +0100
From: Tim Hall
Reply-To: 4AD recording artists list <4AD-L@AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject: Mojave 3 Live gig...
Mojave 3 Live gig...
To all those people in London,the home counties and those fortunate enough
to be holidaying in our tropical country this summer - live stuff!
Mojave 3 finish the month as they started it.....by playing a live show!
The Date = July 29th
The Venue = ULU - University Of London Union (where Tanya played and
GusGus, Cuba & Thievery Corporation).
Who with? = Mojave 3 are second on the bill to Locust. As far as I know
the first band is Sing Sing, Emma Anderson's (ex of Lush) new band.
So that's it. Mojave 3, lovesongs on the radio, live on stage, video in
the can, live review in NME. What more can you ask for. Album due in the
fall as they say in the USA.
Stay tuned
Tim @ 4AD
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:01:31 EDT
From: M242557sm@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mogwai
as ive said before...
i think mogwai is, simply put, the best functioning band of this genre.
shane.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:09:12 EDT
From: M242557sm@aol.com
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...
i agree with alister completely..
blueday is nothing but a collectors item..
and personally i feel like its a inadequate one... its almost like a "early
hits" collection.. and whats the point when you can get all those tracks, plus
some on the three singles..
i must say, i have never understood this either myself..
its quite silly.. but, i guess collectors will collect.
shane.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:32:56 EDT
From: Moonstar9@aol.com
Subject: I NEED TIX FOR VERVE AUG 6 IN NYC
I hate to do this, but does anyone have any spare tickets or need to get rid
of theirs? Or know anyone who needs to get rid of theirs? please drop me an
email if possible.
Jared
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Date: 15 Jul 98 19:29:42 +0100
From: Christine
Subject: mojave 3 live
Hello,
FYI: mojave don't play "love songs on the radio" live anymore, I guess
Tim wasn't at the last 3 London gigs. (no offense what-so-ever to Tim, he's
doing a great job)
And since you're asking: "What more can you ask for"... how about some
live ads this time.
Over & out,
CB
ps: someone was asking about a ticket for The Verve in NYC... Be
warned.. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that tour is canceled.
There is major sh*tski going down in The Verve camp-o-la. Simon
has been *ill*, Nick quit (again) and they have been canceling
European dates steadily. I think they've pulled out of V98 as
well. Just be prepared for a possible cancellation.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:31:36 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com"
Subject: Re: Mogwai/Bardo R.I.P.
I Don't think Mogwai should be labeled in the dreampop/shoegazing
genre along with bands like Slowdive and MBV. I don't know, I bought ten rapid
a year ago and thought it was so lame. I guess it falls into whatever
category Low and bands like that go into. But I don't find any
blissful, escaping moments out of Mogwai's music. I talk to a lot of
my friends about what we chat about on the list. Lately there's been
lots of talk about Mogwai and Bardo Pond. Quite frankly, I
don't get anyone who thinks Mogwai and Bardo Pond are making great
music. A lot of people left after Bardo Pond took stage after windy
and Carl played in NYC because they sucked! Maybe it was just a
bad show.. Just because these bands are new and are sort of trying
a new style doesn't mean they deserve to be ranked up their with the
brilliant minds of Slowdive and company. So a lot of my friends who
also listen to quite a lot of MBV, slowdive type stuff don't get why
people on the list are so jazzed up with Bardo and Mogwai. I'm sorry but colfax
Abbey, Secret shine, bowery electric, FSA, swallow, those are bands
that are carrying on the legacy of a brilliant sound. Maybe I just
look for more in a band...........like catchy tunes.
wade
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:20:22 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com"
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...
spike on cellos rules!!
wade
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:22:17 GMT
From: vince@deehan.demon.co.uk (Vince Deehan)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 Live gig... (fwd)
> From: Tim Hall
> Mojave 3 finish the month as they started it.....by playing a live show!
>
> The Date = July 29th
>
> The Venue = ULU - University Of London Union
Excellent news. I remember seeing Slowdive play at ULU for the Holding Our
Breath EP tour in 1991. It will be nice to re-visit that venue again to
see Mojave 3 !
----------------------
Regards
Vince Deehan
Wembley
London
http://www.deehan.demon.co.uk
http://us.imdb.com/M/reviews_by?Vince%20Deehan
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:08:05 EDT
From: KingoGrief@aol.com
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...
the only reason i have *blue day* is because it came with the (used) import
copy of souvlaki i got before christmas of '93 ($15.99...sweet)...i'm glad i
have it, of course, but if i had to buy it separately, i'd sooner go for the 3
individual ep's...
jeff
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:14:31 EDT
From: M242557sm@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mogwai/Bardo R.I.P.
where does bardo pond fit in, eh?
well, in my opinion i think they are doing something completely remnicint of
the more "controlled chaos" stuff that the spacemen 3 were doing.. if thats
not showgazey, then what is?
im sorry that you are so obssesed with who fits in what category..
what does it matter?
they are a good band.. and so is mogwai.. and id have to say that bardo is not
at all a "new" band, as you said..
mogwai is incrediable, so they dont sound like slowdive, but they do have
moments of blissful noise, and moments of bliss, and they do have a lot of
minimal, quiet, soft parts.. im sorry if they dont fit in your category or
definetion of "shoegaze" but, please, dont down them and ruin them for other
people who havent had the chance to even hear them yet..
shane
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:36:50 -0400
From: Andrew McMillan
Subject: Sing Sing?
This is the 1st I've heard of any post-Lush projects. Anybody have any
info? Is it just Emma with new people? I heard that Phil King is now
with the Jesus and Mary Chain.
Andy
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:08:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham
Subject: Re: Sing Sing?
On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Andrew McMillan wrote:
> This is the 1st I've heard of any post-Lush projects. Anybody have any
> info? Is it just Emma with new people? I heard that Phil King is now
> with the Jesus and Mary Chain.
yes, I saw Phil on the bass last night w/ the Brothers Reid ...
Both Emma and Miki have been reported to have their own projects going ..
however, I do not recall which is which [or the name - if there is one -
of the other's project ...].
best to all,
Michael
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:58:34 -0400
From: avalyn@chesco.com
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day... -souvlaki cover....uk or japan?
You actually like the us souvlaki cover? I think it's ugly. The import is
much nicer. Are those ridiculous prices being paid for the UK version on
Blue Day or the Japanese version (or does it not matter)? I have the
Japanese version, but i paid a normal price for it cause i got it way back
when. Oh and is collecting all of slowdive's stuff that hard? I mean
they didn't release THAT much stuff. I'm pretty sure i have everything.
bye
At 07:02 PM 7/15/98 +0300, you wrote:
>
>On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, aaron wrote:
>
>> it has a nice cover.
>
>...which is a fact that can hardly be overlooked. through all their
>releases i know, slowdive have had the best cover designs i've seen so
>far. see souvlaki us edition or pygmalion, for example. i seem to have
>an obsession about this, as it was actually pygmalion's sleeve design
>that first got me interested in slowdive (as weird as that may be). h.
>...forgot to mention just for a day...
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:45:00 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe"
Subject: Re: Sing Sing?
> Both Emma and Miki have been reported to have their own projects going ..
> however, I do not recall which is which [or the name - if there is one -
> of the other's project ...].
I didn;t even know that LUSH split up...when did this happen? Anyone...?
Sillabyss....
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:49:26 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe"
Subject: Singles....
> Oh and is collecting all of slowdive's stuff that hard? I mean
> they didn't release THAT much stuff. I'm pretty sure i have everything.
Well, it depends when you got into Slowdive. I saw practically every
release at one point or another yet never noticed the band untill they
split up (First album I purchased was Souvlaki) - after that, getting a
hold of singles became a chore - I remember trying to order their entire
back catalog of singles and after three months only comming up with the
Morningrise EP....
Sillabyss...
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:37:45 +1000 (EST)
From: Alister Thomas
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Blue Day...
> i think the only reason i ever use the phase "blue day" is cos it's easier
> to refer to that body of work then naming the EPs or even more
> pretentiously saying "slowdive's first 3 EPs".
Ooooooh, forgive me for being pretentious!!!!!!
Interestingly enough, I had all their EP's (minus "Holding our breath")
before I even knew what the hell Blue Day was!!! I mean, I was a at a
friend's house one day and he was playing me "Holding our breath" to let me
know what I was missing out on and I mentioned to him that I'd seen a
Slowdive release in the catalogues called "Blue Day" and asked him if he
knew what it was. "Oh", he says, "that album is just a collection of their
1st three EP's but isn't as good because it has tracks missing". "Oh", I
said, "then why bother buying it??"... "I dunno", said my friend, "maybe
because my girlfriend found it cheap and didn't have it...". This was back
in '94 and neither of us had any idea that it was such a collectors item
(although it may not have been back then...). It was only 6 months ago when
I first started using the Internet that I discovered how valuable it seems
to be to most Slowdive collectors... must admit I was a little shocked by
it all... but then again, as was pointed out to me, not everyone would have
known what was on it... or maybe I just put the cart before the horse in
rather pretentiously pointing out that it has their "first 3 EP's on it"...
> wait, let me get this straight. so, if i buy all three eps then i won't
> need blue day?
Precisely... it is missing "Avalyn II", "Catch the breeze" and "Golden
hair". You'll probably do your bank account a favour by giving it a miss
and trying to track down the EP's, IMO.
Alister
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:21:31 -0700
From: kGB
Subject: Snowpony
Snowpony [ex-members of My Bloody Valentine & Stereolab]
-The Slow Motion World of Snowpony (Radioactive, US/Canada)
I saw that this is being released on August 11, the same day as the
new Love Spirals Downwards album 8 )
and a/b Mogwai.. i would say if you like My Bloody Valentine at all
to give their Young Team record an ear. Aiden from Arab Strap
(whom are also definitely worth mentioning) provides his voice for
'R U Still Into It?' which to me sounds like "Dagger"
incoherently yours,
toby
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:12:48 EDT
From: Bluemuse8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Snowpony
i was up super early this morning, and i saw that snowpony is playing the
intel km
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:14:52 EDT
From: Bluemuse8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Snowpony
sorry, about that half message, my cat (jonas, shes out of her mind) walked
across the keyboard and somehow sent the mail before it was ready....
but as i was saying, snowpony are going to be part of the intel music festival
in nyc(i think they're going to be playing the mercury lounge, im not sure
when though..i just saw it in this mornings (long island; newsday) newspaper,
that section about music and stuff ...i figured people on this list would be
veree interested
let it go
ride the wind
faretheewell
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:44:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham
Subject: SPLIT
> > Both Emma and Miki have been reported to have their own projects going ..
> > however, I do not recall which is which [or the name - if there is one -
> > of the other's project ...].
>
>I didn;t even know that LUSH split up...when did this happen? Anyone...?
The split occured late last year [i believe]; to no one's surprise,
really, given the sad demise of Chris Acland ...
Anyway, it seems _LUSH_ is a thing of the past ... but who knows;
maybe we'll see the two get back together in the future. For the
present, they're 'working?';-D separately ...
Does anyone recall who else is involved w/ the projects?
cheers,
michael
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:52:45 EDT
From: Moonstar9@aol.com
Subject: Jesus and Mary Chain at Irving Plaza 7/15
Morning,
Well, first of all I didn't have an intel pass. I went around to the side
door where the Polish Army thingy is and where bands normally go in and some
guy was moving paintings around in the hallway and opened the door for us (my
girlfriend and I). We walked right in and never spent a dime. Anyway on to
the show...
Sweet Jesus- this was the first opener and were horrible. Sounds like
swervedriver if they only knew how to play 3 chords and had an annoying peppy
girl singer. plus they are from australia.
16 Deluxe- sounds like sweet jesus except from texas. i don't know why people
like these guys...there are so many better bands out there. they were noisy
and annoying.
J&MC- amazing as always. they played (in no order) degenerate, sugar ray,
head on, happy when it rains, cracking up, love rock n roll, hate rock n roll,
snakedriver, reverence (was the encore and they played it really slowly then
sped up, then slowed down), i can't remember anything. I have the set list at
home. They played 14 songs total. The t-shirts they sold said in the
coloring of the album cover "Fuck Jesus" or something like that on a white
shirt. William once again asked someone to suck his cock and they stopped
and started 2 songs over again. sorry this review is not that informative but
I am wiped. Jared
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:36:22 +0000
From: "wade@tapehouse.com"
Subject: Re: Jesus and Mary Chain at Irving Plaza 7/15
Well,
I was at the show last night, and I was a bit disappointed with the
whole affair. Jared's right the first two bands could've just
spontaneously combusted and I wouldn't have given two shits.
Once the Mary Chain came on, things picked up. there was something
weird about the whole thing though. To me, the sound wasn't very
powerful and overwhelming. The songs were weak compared to how they
come across on the latest record. It looked like Jim was getting
pissed at their extra guitar player a lot. they would begin a song
and Jim would say "stop...stop..start again!" that was interesting.
The Reid's sister came out to sing Moe Tucker, she looks to be 16.
If I was rating the show, I'd give it a 6, due to the sound and the
fact that JAMC looked old, and hadn't toured in a while.
wade
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