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Today's Topics:
	 Re[2]: rachel similarities
	 Beer Nuts
	 Re: Re[2]: rachel similarities
	 Re: Moose
	 Odp: what a "little bird" told me ... ;-D
	 Re: rachel similarities
	 the whole beautiful rachel thing
	 Re: rachel similarities/owl (remix low)
	 Re: rachel similarities
	 replies
	 Re: rachel similarities
	 Re: rachel similarities
	 texas, etc
	 Re: texas, etc
	 moose and mojave 3 96
	 Re: rachel similarities
	 Deja vu, motherfuckers

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 14:34:04 CST
From: Crios@dminet.davidson-marketing.com
Subject: Re[2]: rachel similarities

On Friday I went to a Show at the Double Door (chicago) cause there was a rumor
that NOFX was going to play... Anyway this band called the Beer Nuts played... I
saw them about 6 or 7 years ago open for Agnostic Front... and they REALLY
sucked... Really... they sucked... Any way here they were again and this time
they had this really fine looking blond female drummer in this skimpy bikini
thing and some othere girl that really had nothing to do with the band up on the
stage too... Oh sure they were nice to look at and all with utters flapping in
the wind and booty shaking this way and jiggling that way... ummm... did I
mention how much they sucked.... anyway my friends and I ignored them and drank
a few more beers... well thats my related story... Hot bodies... Bad music...
more beer... 

Crios

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 14:37:12 CST
From: Crios@dminet.davidson-marketing.com
Subject: Beer Nuts

I frogot to mention that the Female drummer in the Beer Nuts was called 
"Dickless"....  hmmmmmmm
I wonder why?

Crios

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:32:27 -0500
From: o_o_o 
Subject: Re: Re[2]: rachel similarities

this all makes sense except for utters.  maybe you mean udders?  I'm now
thinking of wharton's Birdy.

At 14:34 20-07-98 -0600, you wrote:
> On Friday I went to a Show at the Double Door (chicago) cause there was a
> rumor that NOFX was going to play... Anyway this band called the Beer Nuts
> played... I saw them about 6 or 7 years ago open for Agnostic Front... and
> they REALLY sucked... Really... they sucked... Any way here they were again
> and this time they had this really fine looking blond female drummer in
> this skimpy bikini thing and some othere girl that really had nothing to
> do with the band up on the stage too... Oh sure they were nice to look at
> and all with utters flapping in the wind and booty shaking this way and
> jiggling that way... ummm... did I mention how much they sucked.... anyway
> my friends and I ignored them and drank a few more beers... well thats my
> related story... Hot bodies... Bad music...more beer... 

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:25:49 -0500
From: o_o_o 
Subject: Re: Moose

you are right, but last night I fell was also on the comp, and I got those
two songs confused. both very good tracks, and I would often just listen to
those two on repeat.  thank you very much for the guidance as well.  I'm
guessing the eps will be hard, but at least I know what I'm looking for.

At 12:20 20-07-98 -0700, you wrote:
>o_o_o wrote:
>> 
>> I've only heard one moose song, but it is very good.  it was on one of the
>> indie top 20 compilations.  maybe called don't ever leave?  I'd love to
>> know if any of their other songs are as good as that one.
>
> There's a song by Revolver called Don't Ever Leave.  That wasn't a
> single though so I doubt that's what you're thinking of.  Hmm, moose's
> early singles were Jack, Suzanne, and Last Night I Fell Again.  I don't
> think anything after that would have made it on an indie top 20.  It was
> probably Jack.  They even played that on 120 minutes US.  If you're
> after that sound then try to find the first three e.p.s.
>
> aaron

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:28:12 +0200
From: "kyry" 
Subject: Odp: what a "little bird" told me ... ;-D

Yeah, IDAHO is one of the best band on the world !
I recommend  all 3 albums to start with...(but especially
"this way out" with great song "forever")

darek

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:35:18 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Re: rachel similarities

> all this aside, this is a dumb topic and furthermore kind of insulting to
> rachel and others in her position.  why aren't male musicians in the
> public eye equally scrutinized for their looks as female ones are?  it's
> pretty ridiculous.

Not really. There is extensive scientific and sociologocal evidence that
suggessts the female of the human species very much appreciates being
appreciated for her beauty...mind you, women's liberation authorities and
like-minded lesbian women's groups would have you believe
differently...just a thought....

Sincerely, Sillabyss...

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:28:55 -0500 (EST)
From: bLenDER 
Subject: the whole beautiful rachel thing

okay, here's the deal
I'm in a band and I've been in bands.  
I've had females (and males) attracted to me because "I'm an attractive
guy in a band."  I've had people come up to me and compliment me on my
music, which I graciously accept.  Some people have even comment on me
looking nice, and while it can be a little uncomfortable for me, I do my
best to politely accept their compliments.  But if anyone said, "I don't
like your music, I just came because I think you're hot," I'd be really
fucking pissed, and either say fuck off and walk away, or go off on some
art/creativity rant.

I like to look nice.  People like to look good.  There's nothing wrong
with that.  But I do it for myself, because I like it, I don't model
myself to attract an audience or to sell more product, I do it because it
makes me feel good to look nice, or at least what I consider nice.  I've
been in bands where we wear matching outfits, or suits, or for one show,
all black with toasters strapped to our heads.  I guess it's really all
just intent and how you use your abilty to be visually noticed and know.

Sorry, I have lots of thoughts on this subject...

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:48:27 EDT
From: KingoGrief@aol.com
Subject: Re: rachel similarities/owl (remix low)

In a message dated 98-07-20 08:29:59 EDT, mark wrote:

<<
 Rachel made me like redheads - especially with that chin length hair cut -
 absolutely gorgeous...(slobber, slobber...)I apologise that I am indeed male
 and notice these sorts of things...(sorry to offend any if I have...)
>>

i've always had a weakness for girls with short red hair (me & charlie
brown)...so much that i married one...

you not only have my permission to slobber, but my blessing...

jeff 

p.s.  the opening track on the forthcoming (28 jul) low remix album (the
porter ricks mix of "down") is quite reminiscent of *pygmalion*...give it a
listen as soon as you're able...

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:50:18 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Re: rachel similarities

> ben, your point is well-taken, and i don't disagree -- what i was
> actually getting at earlier was how the sexes aren't *equally* scrutinized
> for their looks, even in proportion to the numbers of their fans of
> corresponding sexual preferences.  that is, i don't think the numbers of
> heterosexual males can completely account for how we treat women in the
> entertainment industry.  but i'm going to stop here b/c noone wants to
> read a feminist tirade, especially from me!  :)

I completely disagree. In the entertainment industry men are "looked at"
and "judged" by their looks just as much as women - only this society says
that it is okay to stare at a half-naked man. Look at all of the male
pronography - they are all aimed at 8-13 year old girls - almost all of
these "men" or "boys" work within the entertainment industry...I just think
that society picks on the fact that the male as well finds beauty in the
opposite sex - why? Because they can....it has always been considered
"dirty" for a man to stare at an attractive women, but for a woman the
scenario is completely different....The fact that one of the singers in
Slowdive is indeed female and attractive has nothing to do with their value
as people and as muscians..I know plenty of physically beautiful women who
are "unnattractive"...

Sincerely, Sillabyss...

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:48:11 -0500
From: David Poppie 
Subject: replies

Attention fellow chat people. I appreciated the replys to my for sale list 
of CD's & vinyl, but if you start a question or hold please confirm or 
write back.  My time is very valuable like yours is, and it is a pain in 
the ass getting requests and questions with no further reply.  I am 
assuming the party is not interested, but a little common courtesy would be 
appreciated.  Thanks for your time and carry on...sorry for the gripe...
David

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:23:07 -0600
From: Brad Nicholson 
Subject: Re: rachel similarities

At 12:07 PM 7/20/98 -0500, you wrote:
> Rachel happens to be attractive, but even if she was
> hideously ugly I think we'd all still like slowdive provided her voice was
> the same, and she made the same musical contributions.  

Case and point, Georgia from Yo La Tengo.  Not hideously ugly, but far from
attractive, but she has the voice of an angel.

b.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:23:54 -0500
From: "Luis B. Abcede" 
Subject: Re: rachel similarities

At 7/20/98 02:05 PM -0400, you wrote:
> I am as fond of Gillian and New Order as I am of Slowdive (more
> really), but I just don't see the side of things as stated above :-)
> They are both beautiful people, anyway. :-)
>
> love,
> Michael

hehe ... that's Gillian Anderson (X-Files) not Gillian Gilbert (NewOrder)

Sorry, couldn't let that one go ...
Luis
whizbang@neotown.com
mbr-entertain.neotown.com/whizbang

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:26:45 PDT
From: "Pearson R. Coefficient Greer" 
Subject: texas, etc

texas has a lot more going for it than just Sixteen Deluxe, tripping 
daisy, or the toadies. especially psych-space-dream wise...the reigning 
kings of drone- Stars of the Lid, are from Austin. Bedhead, 
Charalambides, Mazinga Phaser,...there's a lot of good stuff from texas. 
i wish i still lived there...its really not ALL rednecks...now, where i 
live, tennessee...there's nothing redeeming musically... (except my 
band)
rachel goswell looks like a beauty to me. no need to apologize for 
saying it really. just don't start typing love poems on the list or 
typing with one hand. :P

-pearson

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 19:51:36 CST
From: Crios@dminet.davidson-marketing.com
Subject: Re: texas, etc

There was this movie.. ummmm, idon't remember what it was called.... There
was a big rock flying at the earth and uhhhhh it was moving really fast...
ummmmm.... it was going to squash things.... and ummmmm, it was the size of
Texas (pause)
woh... that's big. If it was the size of New York that'd be nothing... But
since it's the size of Texas... Shiiiiiiiiiit.... That's damn big.  

Ya know I only saw Slowdive once when they played at the Cabaret Metro
(Chicago) on their Souvlaki tour....   And yes I did think Allison was
beutiful... but At that moment I thought EVERYTHING was beutifull because
the music just does that to you....

Crios

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:12:10 -0700
From: fell from the sun 
Subject: moose and mojave 3 96

i adore moose, their earlier stuff is shoegazey, i suppose but i really
dig their post-sonny of sam stuff, when they turn into what i call
"sophisticated pop."  just beautiful and detailed, brass, strings,
whistling, champagne, everything.

i hear that they're planning to put a new album out on their own label,
but erm. :~

i really wish mojave 3 were still putting their post-AMT tracks on the
upcoming album. The title is dumb too. "Out of Tune?" hm. i still love
"tryin' to reach you."

stella

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:54:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: professor plum 
Subject: Re: rachel similarities

> Not really. There is extensive scientific and sociologocal evidence that
> suggessts the female of the human species very much appreciates being
> appreciated for her beauty...

the very nature of that argument leads me to doubt that such evidence is
even *close* to objective!  (cf, murray & herrnstein, _the bell curve_ -- it
just screams, AGENDA)  tell me, which scientists are these that are free to
make such sweeping generalizations and essentializations?  incredible.

> mind you, women's liberation authorities and
> like-minded lesbian women's groups would have you believe
> differently...just a thought....

1. the liberation of women is not a bad thing nor a wrong thing, however
annoying its proponents might be.

2. what necessary connection does lesbianism bear to feminism?  you're
stereotyping here.

> I completely disagree. In the entertainment industry men are "looked at"
> and "judged" by their looks just as much as women 

what?  come on!  physical attraction is [generally] so much more important
to the public's determination of a female musician's "worth" than the
opposite case.  i thought that was obvious!  part of it lies in the fact
that we hesitate to call women "geniuses," rather they're at best "talented"
and maybe we might honor them with some bullshit title like "diva."

> The fact that one of the singers in
> Slowdive is indeed female and attractive has nothing to do with their value
> as people and as muscians..

that's what would ideally be the case, but i really don't think everyone
subscribes to such a wonderful notion.

> I know plenty of physically beautiful women who
> are "unnattractive"...

totally unrelated...

i think ben's testimony really captures what i'm talking about (the one on
being in a band and getting remarks on his attractiveness within that
context).  some comments just *don't* have a place.

; e.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:20:23 -0500
From: Byron 
Subject: Deja vu, motherfuckers

Ugh - what *-=IDIOT=-* fell asleep and let his dick type a post to this list?

Jesusfuckgoddamn, fucking drooling morons...

"Dur, ah tink dat Miz Uhmarikuh iz purdier dan Miz Yuniverz."

"Dur, naw, Miz Yuniverz iz more purdier dan Miz Uhmarikuh... dur."

Christ.

**FUCK OFF AND DIE!!!**

If re-education is truly needed, it will be provided, sans profanity. However
let's all PRAY that the individual who thought it would be such a great idea
to initiate a GODDAMN BEAUTY CONTEST between members of slowdive and other
media figures simply had a lapse of judgement and now sees that such a debate
does not and CAN NEVER have **ANYTHING** to offer the readers of this list.

Sure, one could argue that perceptions of physical beauty are just as
subjective as musical tastes, and music debates occur all the time in this
forum - but the idea is that we can go *BUY* music based on the exchange of
opinions that we see here.

SOMEHOW I DOUBT THAT ANY OF THE READERS OF THIS LIST ARE LOOKING FOR A
WIFE/GIRLFRIEND AND ARE IN THE SITUATION OF CHOOSING BETWEEN GILLIAN ANDERSON
AND RACHEL GOSWELL.

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