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Today's Topics:
	 Re: texas, etc
	 looking back i see you slip away
	 Re: Deja vu, motherf*ckers
	 RE: rachel similarities
	 Re: rachel similarities (PUT A STOP TO IT, PLEASE!)
	 Re: Moose
	 re: rachel similarities
	 Re: rachel similarities
	 NME Single of the Week!
	 Re: Owl (Low remix)
	 Re: rachel similarities
	 Re: attractive males
	 my favoruite band
	 'Who Do You Love' review from NME 
	 'Who Do You Love' 
	 Re: attractive males
	 RE: Mojave 3 - 'Who Do You Love'
	 Re: purchasing "Who Do You Love"
	 Re: attractive males
	 Mojave 3 Real Audio

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:31:32 EDT
From: Catchbreez@aol.com
Subject: Re: texas, etc

sixteen deluxe are nothing like tripping daisy or the toadies

and 16deluxe's cover of vicious(lou reed) is killer

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:57:48 EDT
From: Seagaze9@aol.com
Subject: looking back i see you slip away

anyone wanna trade for a copy of blueday/souvlaki cd/vinyl????

if not trade then pay????

J

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:51:06 EDT
From: KingoGrief@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deja vu, motherf*ckers

In a message dated 98-07-20 22:20:20 EDT, byron wrote:

<< Ugh - what *-=IDIOT=-* fell asleep and let his d*ck type a post to this
list?
 
 Jesusf*ckg*ddamn, f*cking drooling morons...
 
 "Dur, ah tink dat Miz Uhmarikuh iz purdier dan Miz Yuniverz."
 
 "Dur, naw, Miz Yuniverz iz more purdier dan Miz Uhmarikuh... dur."
 
 Christ.
 
 **F*CK OFF AND DIE!!!** >>


those comments were totally unnecessary...i think some very valid observations
were made in this thread...yours, however, isn't one of them...you can respond
and react as you like without resorting to obscenity or snottiness...please
refrain from such conduct in the future, or change your screenname before you
disgrace it any further...

thanx,

jeff

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:41:25 -0500
From: cory and megan collins <1cc5776@unixstew.tstc.edu>
Subject: RE: rachel similarities

I thought we meant Gillian Anderson of X-files fame...  You said
NewOrder and I got all confused.  Another thing... I haven't seen
Rachel in real life and so You're right I really can't say.  I just
know that I think Gillian Anderson is very pretty...

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:02:12 -0700
From: Mitch Bacigalupi 
Subject: Re: rachel similarities (PUT A STOP TO IT, PLEASE!)

**This is really an all time low for this list.  This is the biggest pile
of useless crap  I've EVER read.  Can we please put an end to this topic?
Please?  Is this a Slowdive list or a Smash Hits list???

I don't care who looks like what.  If the music sounds good, I'll listen to
it.  You guys sound like a bunch of old women at a tupperware party (no
offense to old women that attend tupperware parties).


-Mitch

"Can't we all just get along?" -Rodney King

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:32:54 +1000 (EST)
From: Alister Thomas 
Subject: Re: Moose

> thank you very much for the guidance as well.  I'm
> guessing the eps will be hard, but at least I know what I'm looking for.

Yeah, their first three EP's: "Jack", "Reprise" and "Cool breeze" are all
very difficult to come by. If you really wanted them your best bet would be
to post to wantlists offering between $15-$20 each for them (some may say
that that's a bit much but those that have these EP's generally know how
valuable/rare they are and would need some persuading to part with them).
However, you can hedge youyr bets and get their US sampler EP called "Sonny
and Sam" that isn't easy to find either but http://gemm.com has a couple of
copies listed as being available for around $10 each (although I wouldn't
have a clue as to whether or not the sellers that are listed as having them
actually have them in stock, still). If you can get this EP, then grab it
(it's a compilation of out-takes from the 3 EP's I just mentioned and
virtually a collectors item in it's own right).

Other than the "Sonny and Sam"-era stuff, all their other stuff really
shouldn't be that much of a problem to come by. I have seen it all listed
at Gemm and I have one friend on the 'net who has sold multiple copies of
all their albumcs over the past few months and will probably come across
more if you wanted his details to contact him about it...

Alister

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:29:31 PDT
From: "Over the ocean" 
Subject: re: rachel similarities

hi !

I think that if there are, lets say, four guys in a band and just one 
girl, doesn`t matter if she`s good looking or not, it just takes that 
one girl to balance their act so to speak. Vice Versa, if there are four 
girls and one guy in a band the guy just dissapears and everyone says 
that they`re a girl group.

bye !
     /markus

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:38:24 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe" 
Subject: Re: rachel similarities

Hey...

> 1. the liberation of women is not a bad thing nor a wrong thing, however
> annoying its proponents might be.

I never said that it was...

> 
> 2. what necessary connection does lesbianism bear to feminism?  you're
> stereotyping here.

Absolutley not - I am just mentioning two very annoying extremist factions
that take up too much of a person's karma to take seriously - despite the
justice of their cause.

 
>> I completely disagree. In the entertainment industry men are "looked at"
>> and "judged" by their looks just as much as women 
>
> what?  come on!  physical attraction is [generally] so much more important
> to the public's determination of a female musician's "worth" than the
> opposite case.  i thought that was obvious!  part of it lies in the fact
> that we hesitate to call women "geniuses," rather they're at best "talented"
> and maybe we might honor them with some bullshit title like "diva.

Your telling me that Cleine Dion, etc don't play up to this? These words
often come right out of their own biographies - tell me is it alright then
to accept sexism so long as the proper sum of money is paid? Tori Amos
feels she has to go topless on the cover of Q magazine to tell the world
she has a new record out...Would Bush be as popular as they are if Gavin
looked like the guy from Blues Traveller - give me a break.. his looks
matter just as much as Celine Dion's do in this case...if you are marketing
this thing called art with an individual (male or female) that makes an
obvious effort to display their sexual prowess, the word genius is never
mentioned - is Gavin from Bush called a genius? Absolutley not! Is Brian
Eno - yes...are the Backstreet Boys? Absolutely not...I could go on, but I
won't...


>> The fact that one of the singers in
>> Slowdive is indeed female and attractive has nothing to do with their value
>> as people and as muscians..
>
> that's what would ideally be the case, but i really don't think everyone
> subscribes to such a wonderful notion.

How often do pictures of Rachel adorn the covers of Slowdive records? One
single and one group picture...Rachel's beauty is not used as a marketing
device in this case...(people aren't purchasing the music because of her
face...and on the "Outside Your Room EP", I think its the LOOK on her face
that defines the proposed market...)

>> I know plenty of physically beautiful women who
>> are "unnattractive"...
>
> totally unrelated...

So is this kind of rebuttal - if I wanted an argument I would have
prepared a thesis...!!!

> i think ben's testimony really captures what i'm talking about (the one on
> being in a band and getting remarks on his attractiveness within that
> context).  some comments just *don't* have a place.

When do someone's comments *don't* have a place? Who decides this? And
Why?  This whole subject is rather infuriating...

Sillabyss...

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Date: 21 Jul 98 14:48:37 +0100
From: Christine 
Subject: NME Single of the Week!

Hello,

I just heard that "Who Do You Love" got 'single of the week' in this
week's NME.  Johnny Cigarettes reviewing.  I'm out the door looking for a
copy...

Hooray,

CB

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:42:25 -0400
From: "Tom Richards" 
Subject: Re: Owl (Low remix)

Yeah, I picked up that "Low" remix CD 5 days ago. Its a little inconsistant
because each track is remixed by someone different. Overall, I think the
tempo on most of the tracks are too fast to give a good comparison to
pygmalion, but I see what you're saying --- the first track has a similair
"eerie" feel to it. If you like "Low" and have an open mind (about remixes)
then I highly recommend this CD............I though that CD was released
last week in the US --- maybe not, maybe I just got an advanced copy??? (it
wasn't stamped as a promo copy)..........

take care,
Tom

PS - Geez, there's been a lot of profanity in the list lately.............

> p.s.  the opening track on the forthcoming (28 jul) low remix album (the
> porter ricks mix of "down") is quite reminiscent of *pygmalion*...give it a
> listen as soon as you're able...

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:46:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: mike p 
Subject: Re: rachel similarities

> scenario is completely different....The fact that one of the singers in
> Slowdive is indeed female and attractive has nothing to do with their value
> as people and as muscians..I know plenty of physically beautiful women who
> are "unnattractive"...

that made me think of something very on topic. a know a girl that all too
often goes on and on about how beautiful she thinks kevin sheilds is.. now
i like my bloody valentine about as much as anyone, but her rants drive me
nuts. it just so happens that she is quite attractive, and into mostly
shoegaze music, but this little fact is only one of MANY traits making her
"unnatractive". 

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:18:40 PDT
From: "Lorraine Lelis" 
Subject: Re: attractive males

all this debate about finding women attractive, blah blah blah
to end this controversial topic, i thought i'd even the score.

attractive male shoegazers:
neil halstead (at his scruffiest-but none of that unibrow stuff)
ian masters (but more in a little boy sort of way)
chris acland (goofy but cute, eternally)
phil king (handsome englishman)
mark gardener (in the old days, 1991 era)
andy bell (but not all the time)

anyone like to add to this list??? ;)


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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:35:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: mike p 
Subject: my favoruite band

> woah, slow down my man.  there was no texas slam.  i happen to have very nice
> relatives there.  dude, just because i don't like 16 deluxe doesn't mean you

for real. i hate 16 delux myself. so what? does that make you mad? i
despise 16 delux. i think they suck. so what! its a band.

texas slam sounds like some huge wrestling match my indy rock friends
would be all excited about.

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Date: 21 Jul 98 16:28:49 +0100
From: Christine 
Subject: 'Who Do You Love' review from NME 

Hi,

Here is the NME review.  I'm afraid Slowdive fans won't be too chuffed
with it... at any rate, here goes:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
NME Single of the Week - 25th July 1998
Reviewed by Johnny Cigarettes

Mojave 3
Who Do You Love

The first in our series of 'Where are they now, so we can still tease
them mercilessly and chase them down the street with sticks after all these
years?' shoegazing revival reviews (see also Swervedriver) finds Neil
Halstead and Rachel Gosling, {yes, they spelled Goswell wrong!} once of
Slowdive, involved in a quite shockingly fine record.  The chief reason for
this is that they've written songs rather than a series of 'soundscapes' with
vague sentiments about drowning in the sky.

'Who Do You Love' is the kind of honest, heartfelt, laid-bare love song
men are too scared or too cool to write these days, romantic without being
sentimental, unafraid to be plain-spoken and emotional.  It's like sonic
cathedrals never happened - an acoustic guitar surrounded by lazy organ and
a distant trumpet.  And then, almost as good is 'This Road I'm
Travelling' which is truly sublime, all country-inflected harmonies and
hazy sunset acoustics like Nick Drake on holiday in New Mexico.

OK,then, we forgive you. Just this once.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:27:48 -0500
From: o_o_o 
Subject: 'Who Do You Love' 

where are people buying this single online?  I'm having next to no luck
finding it, though there are a couple listings for it in the GEMM Db.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:43:56 -0500
From: geeklet 
Subject: Re: attractive males

> all this debate about finding women attractive, blah blah blah
> to end this controversial topic, i thought i'd even the score.
>
> attractive male shoegazers:
> neil halstead (at his scruffiest-but none of that unibrow stuff)

hell yes. :)

> ian masters (but more in a little boy sort of way)
> chris acland (goofy but cute, eternally)
> phil king (handsome englishman)
> mark gardener (in the old days, 1991 era)
> andy bell (but not all the time)

i can think of only one beauty, and that's nick mccabe in all his
pasty-english muss-hair glory. but he could be a total, well, horse and i'd
still want to touch those hands...

and sean lennon but then again i worship his daddy-o, so...

> anyone like to add to this list??? ;)

nice to see the tables turn for once... :)

-
transaccidentalism, n.: the belief that every conscious experience
			     is the result of freak accidents.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:53:21 -0500
From: o_o_o 
Subject: RE: Mojave 3 - 'Who Do You Love'

I checked the 4AD website, of course it has nothing about the single.
Myabe somebody on the 4AD list has an idea of where to buy it online or by
mail order?

At 16:53 21-07-98 +0100, you wrote:
> I'll see if I can get any info out of 4AD.  I think the biggest problem
> in getting it is that it was a 'limited edition' Ep.  I have no clue how
> many they pressed up, but I know for sure they didn't expect to actually
> sell any.  
>
> I heard that Tower or Virgin (or some store to that effect here in
> England) had 1000 on the release day and sold out in 2 days...  much to the
> shock of the distributors... oh yee of little faith!!!
>
> OK, I'll shut up now.  I'll see what I can find out and be in touch.
>
> CB
>
> o_o_o wrote:
>> where are people buying this single online?  I'm having next to no luck
>> finding it, though there are a couple listings for it in the GEMM Db.

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Date: 21 Jul 98 17:11:32 +0100
From: Christine 
Subject: Re: purchasing "Who Do You Love"

I spoke to someone at 4ad re: buying it off the net.  She said that it's
not available on their site yet, but they are "working on it"... and that
the best thing to do is to get it from 4ad mail-order.

Contact Tim @ 4ad via email and he will email info back:

timhall@almaroad.co.uk

Having said all that; she also pointed out that she's not too sure if
there are any left (the limited edition thing and all).  

Hope that helps.

CB

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:07:31 -0500 (EST)
From: misanthropic philanthropist 
Subject: Re: attractive males

> > all this debate about finding women attractive, blah blah blah
> > to end this controversial topic, i thought i'd even the score.
> >
> > attractive male shoegazers:
> > neil halstead (at his scruffiest-but none of that unibrow stuff)
> 
> hell yes. :)

If I mention "me" will I get slapped ;)

One of the guys in Bethany Curve was attractive.

I liked neil better around 91-92 with the more bowl type hair cut.
before he began wearing the flannels and had that flow-bee looking
haircut...

For the most part, shoegazer guys aren't of the extremely attractive
variety, but they have this air to them that well, I'd be attracted to,
provided guys were my bag.

It seems like i used to be interested in girls in bands.  Recently, it's
been a little backwards.  I dig some girl, and then FIND OUT she's in a
band.  I think there's this air of confidence, or at least a belief in
one's self that you need to have or cultivate to get up on a stage and
spill out your insides.  Plus the fact that you've progresses far enough
in a band to be able to get out and get shows says something as well.  All
those traits I find attractive, I think they make people interesting.  

Hey, the girl I'm more or less seeing now plays guitar, synth, knows midi,
sings in some electronic/industrial type band, etc.  I found most of this
out after I decided she was pretty cool;)  The I realised, "hey, she's
cooler than I thought."  And let me also say that long distance
relationships suck.  that's all...

> nice to see the tables turn for once... :)

It's fun.

Oh yeah, and Andrew Greenburg, the bassist for Feedback Loop, is this
little young cute guy.  At MANY shows I'll be approached by some girl.
She'll say, "come here," and pull me aside.  Once we're alone, or out of
earshot of everyone, she'll ask, "Does your bass player have a
girlfriend."

"YES!  Bugger off."

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:44:25 EDT
From: ALTONBARNS@aol.com
Subject: Mojave 3 Real Audio

Hi

Some kind soul has just posted this to the indiepop list....seems that there
is a Real Audio of the new Mojave 3 single for those who have not heard it
yet. Oh, and by the way....the Secret Shine track on the site does not
represent their 'shoegaze' sound. This was an early 'twee' track.

Best wishes
Antony

 The new e-pop show is out! Featuring the new Mojave3 and Blueboy. Please
note the change of URL at:

http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/~leongmun/epop

For those who don't know what the e-pop show is... it features a short
collection of indiepop tunes in streaming RealAudio.

Will post a playlist when I got time... gotta rush off (to bed)

Thanks!
:) Mun Wai

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