The Avalyn Digest
Vol.98 #112
July 27th, 1998
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html
Today's Topics:
review: who do you love
Re: who do you love
Who Do You Love indeed...
Re: who do you love
Re: who do you love
Re: who do you love
cheap slowdive CD's
Re: who do you love
Re: who do you love
Re: who do you love
Re: who do you love
Re: Who Do You Love indeed...
Re: who do you love
Odp: wanted artists-compilation
Re: who do you love
Re: who do you love
Re: who do you love
Re: who do you love
Re: who do you love
lycia & soul whirling somewhere
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:13:05 +0300
From: pisara@iki.fi
Subject: review: who do you love
I just the new Mojave 3 Ep and here are my thoughts...
The name track is hm kinda "Ask me tomorrow" like. Very calm and
beautiful. A song you play before going to bed.
"This Road I'm Travelling" is the best track I think... It just takes me
with it. It's a bit 'faster' than the other songs and is just... good.
"Between Us" is a slower song again and night time music like "Who
do you love". It's good but not superior good.
If the new album will be like this Ep I'm not complaining I like the
sound though I think that Neil sings somehow in a little different way
than in "Ask me tomorrow"?
By the way how much does this Ep cost in England? I paid 10£ for it
and I think that was rather much (though they had to order it for me
to here Finland but still..).
Peter
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 15:39:43 -0600
From: Tired Hungry Bear
Subject: Re: who do you love
i got who do you love yesterday and although its growing on me its still
a big let down, hamond organs some brass and very retro sounding, very
little rachel like "ask me tomorrow" the best track in my opinion is
"between us" the ending of it is very nice too bad the whole things
doesnt resemble this sound, and of course neils voice is sounding like
bob dylan (if youre into that sound).. anyway yeah its growing on me but
its nothing like ask me tomorrow
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:29:51 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe"
Subject: Who Do You Love indeed...
Hey...
> bob dylan (if youre into that sound).. anyway yeah its growing on me but
> its nothing like ask me tomorrow
I would have to agree with you to a certain point - I think this Mojave 3
record is going to be the complete departure from the band that we knew and
love; Ask Me Tommorrow being the first step. You can tell from the demos to
the finished pieces that Neil has definietly taken the bull by the horns
and is definietly intent on charting with real singles - this first EP is
proof of that. God bless 'em, but it just seems to me that the band
dismissed too quickly the band that they used to be - the one that brought
meaning to so many of my days at least - Ride did this as well. I wish
these bands would realize that what they achieved in their "messing about"
and with their "apprenticeships" and their "un-originality" they were
creating some truly mind-blowing states of mind that far exceded the medium
of which the art had been transposed. So disturbing that all of these
"shoegazers" allowed themselves to be bought and sold by the narrow views
and beliefs that the media labelled and pigeonholed them with. I am sure
the NME are proud of their "creations"...anyone else feel the same...?
Sincerely, Sillabyss...
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:46:48 EDT
From: Binoche21@aol.com
Subject: Re: who do you love
i am a little let down with the single also. all the songs, except maybe the
third one which i can't even listen to, sound almost like.. i don't know. just
very straight forward. do you think it would be safe to say this is probably
going to be mojave3's souvlaki? if you can build a connection between just for
a day and ask me tomorrow. maybe we can look forward to another pygmalion type
piece for their next album. either way the single is very catchy. just not
what i was expecting. this is sooooooooo much better than "give what you take"
anyway!
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:56:50 EDT
From: Catchbreez@aol.com
Subject: Re: who do you love
great it sound good already
all you people want the same old shit in music
all the time that is why music sucks today
brand new you're retro i love the new mojave 3 stuff
it was wonderful live at sxsw98
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:29:16 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe"
Subject: Re: who do you love
> great it sound good already
> all you people want the same old shit in music
> all the time that is why music sucks today
Absolutely not true - I appreciate evolution so long as it is in fact
evolution - when you revamp your allustrious sound to adjust yourself to a
market, that is something else entirely. The reason why music sucks today
is for this very reason - no one wants to take any risks as far as new
sounds in music go - after a revolution in digital music and the advent of
sound synthesis we humans still rely on musical instruments that were
cutting edge over 50 years ago (electric guitar) - enough already! Slowdive
were the purveyors of a completely different kind of music - one that was
characteristically unique to THEIR generation and not that of our parents.
This is definietly not a step forward so much as an incredible fall
backwards.
Sillabyss....
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:46:21 -0600
From: "John-Paul McCarthy"
Subject: cheap slowdive CD's
here is a link to some slowdive CD's... they prices are cheap... even
though they are in US dollars
they have just for a day ($9.77) and souvlaki ($9.77) in stock... and even
the just for a day import ($16.97)!!!
i thought some of you might consider it worth checking out...
http://cdu3.cduniverse.com
later
JP
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 98 02:11:48 -0600
From: Tired Hungry Bear
Subject: Re: who do you love
its not that people want the same old shit, we just want good shit.. keep
what works and add the new good stuff
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 98 02:18:20 -0600
From: Tired Hungry Bear
Subject: Re: who do you love
again, slowdive, it was moving forward with effects and whatnot, with the
new mojave 3 its retro just like rides tarantula, thats not a step
forward, the reason music sucks today is because tis all about going
retro and nothing will get on my tits faster then that
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:28:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: professor plum
Subject: Re: who do you love
> Absolutely not true - I appreciate evolution so long as it is in fact
> evolution - when you revamp your allustrious sound to adjust yourself to a
> market, that is something else entirely.
oh come on! some people are just way too willing to condemn bands for
"selling out," which is more or less what you are saying. i would give
rachel, neil, and co. much more credit than that.
; e.
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 02:40:50 -0500
From: geeklet
Subject: Re: who do you love
hello.
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:30:48 +0300
From: Siim Kalder
Subject: Re: Who Do You Love indeed...
At 18:29 25.07.98 -0400, sillabyss wrote:
> I would have to agree with you to a certain point - I think this Mojave 3
> record is going to be the complete departure from the band that we knew and
> love; Ask Me Tommorrow being the first step. Ride did this as well.
Hmm, I can see your point, but... The more I listen to Ask Me Tomorrow I
build the connection with the old Slowdive. I don't have the new single,
perhaps it would change my mind, but with Mojave I started to see where a
lot of the beauty of many Slowdive songs lies. Of course the sounds are way
different, but even there there are similarites. With Ride the departure
from their original sound started with Carnival of Light - that's one way
of seeing it. There are also many people considering Carnival perhaps the
best Ride album, including me, for them the turning point was Tarantula.
But at least there is continuity - if people like Carnival, there are
people who like Tarantula and there is no strict line between them. With
Slowdive/Mojave there is Ask Me Tomorrow instead of Carnival and the nwe
stuff instead of Tarantula. We'll see, but I'm sure it won't be that
difficult to see the beauty of the music made by the same people, even
though changing with time.
Peace,
Siim
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 08:51:04 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe"
Subject: Re: who do you love
>> Absolutely not true - I appreciate evolution so long as it is in fact
>> evolution - when you revamp your allustrious sound to adjust yourself to a
>> market, that is something else entirely.
>
> oh come on! some people are just way too willing to condemn bands for
> "selling out," which is more or less what you are saying. i would give
> rachel, neil, and co. much more credit than that.
What then do you call it? The band are the first ones to put down their
own material (in Slowdive) and refuse to re-release any of it to any fans.
It is clear the emphasis for Neil and Rachel are no longer artistic ones
seeing commercial potential, but commercial ones seeing artist
potential...this is so obvious in everything - right down the the
overdubbed trumpets in their new single...they simply gave up and bowed to
the press' scrutiny who had it in for "Shoegazers" since day 1....if this
isn't selling out I don't know what else to call it...
Sillabyss....
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 15:23:20 +0200
From: "kyry"
Subject: Odp: wanted artists-compilation
Hello,
My name is Darek and I'm going to release tape by "indie" bands.
I still need more material though.
If anyone has an indie (especially indiepop) and wants to contribute
a song, please contact me. I won't pay for contributions unless I make
a profit on the tape, but you will get some copies of the tape.
It will be release in Poland and distribute by me in many countries.
Thanks,
Darek Skrzydlo
(KYRY@FRIKO5.ONET.PL)
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 09:54:16 EDT
From: Melochrome@aol.com
Subject: Re: who do you love
In a message dated 98-07-26 09:06:03 EDT, you write:
<<
What then do you call it? The band are the first ones to put down their
own material (in Slowdive) and refuse to re-release any of it to any fans.
It is clear the emphasis for Neil and Rachel are no longer artistic ones
seeing commercial potential, but commercial ones seeing artist
potential...this is so obvious in everything - right down the the
overdubbed trumpets in their new single...they simply gave up and bowed to
the press' scrutiny who had it in for "Shoegazers" since day 1....if this
isn't selling out I don't know what else to call it...
Sillabyss....
>>
First of all it's not up to Neil and Rachel to re-release Slowdive material
as they do not own the music, Creation does, and they don't want to give it up
unless they get a lot of cash. When Pygmalion came out, Ryko wanted to put it
out in the States but Creation wanted a lot of money for it so the deal never
happened.
And i never knew that putting trumpets on a song was a good way to sell
records. hmmmm, maybe that's what has been holding my band back. we never use
any trumpets!! wanna get signed to a major? just put some trumpets on your
songs!! the kids love those trumpets!!!
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:50:22 +0100
From: Vince Deehan
Subject: Re: who do you love
All this talk of Neil and Rachel selling out is getting out of hand and not a
little preposterous in places (I'm thinking of the trumpet point in particular!
Sorry, Mark). Whilst I would be happy for Neil to have continued with Slowdive
and to churn out gorgeous music in the same vein as their first 3 EPs forever,
I can see that this would hardly be very stimulating for Neil and the gang.
Whilst I am not that keen on ASK ME TOMORROW , I am very fond of the new WHO
DO YOU LOVE EP and I admire Neil and Rachel for never repeating themselves
musically. Just because they are no longer doing the shoegazing music that
attracted many of us in the first place and are now doing songs in a more
traditional vein does not mean they are selling out.
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:46:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: professor plum
Subject: Re: who do you love
> It is clear the emphasis for Neil and Rachel are no longer artistic ones
> seeing commercial potential, but commercial ones seeing artist
> potential...this is so obvious in everything - right down the the
> overdubbed trumpets in their new single...they simply gave up and bowed to
> the press' scrutiny who had it in for "Shoegazers" since day 1....if this
> isn't selling out I don't know what else to call it...
that is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard! let me ask you, have you
EVER played in a band? or just played an instrument? for an extended
period of time? if so, you should know that what musicians write and play
are influenced by what they listen to -- and are you really listening to the
same shit that you were listening to a year ago? or even three years ago?
selling out? more like rediscovery. it's like when the first m3 album came
out, people who knew slowdive asked me what it sounded like. basically, i
just said, "imagine if slowdive traded in all of their effect pedals for
leonard cohen cd's." the songs are still beautiful, and many of the subtler
elements of slowdive have been retained; the instrumentation is just really
different, and there are some added influences.
reserve the words "selling out" for a group like metallica or something -- i
mean, group haircuts, come on!
; e.
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:45:26 EDT
From: Catchbreez@aol.com
Subject: Re: who do you love
In a message dated 98-07-26 03:27:27 EDT, you write:
<<
its not that people want the same old shit, we just want good shit.. keep
what works and add the new good stuff
>>
isnt good shit relative to that person though?
think about it mojave 3 is neil, rachel, ian, simon, (and i forget the
keyboard player) they decided to strip down and go for a fore minamal
acoustic approach just like every slowdive release was different pygmallion
is such a brilliant album and it is so different from just for a day
music is so cluttered with so many bands going electronic or effects laden
the shoegaze scene i believe was a head of its time but that time is passed
in a way many of you are being retro for liking slowdive the way i see
slowdive is a brilliant band that was never fully accepted for what they
did...if slowdive had never broken up and made a folk record as slowdive
would we have this argument. i love to see bands evolve. i cried when
i saw mojave 3 at sxsw it was so good. no i havent heard the new single
but i saw them perform 9 new songs and i loved it and the pedal steel was
great. maybe it is my love for old folk and country music from the 50's, 60's,
70's.
i still think most of you are closed minded everytime people post what they
like it is the same shit granted i like some of that shit but it is always
something like flying saucer attack, seefeel, an april march, the autumns
(who are brilliant), bardo pond.... we i met neil at the sxsw show i asked
him what he had been listening to and he said nick drake..i was so happy to
see somebody who like him..you can only do so much with fucking delay pedal
and chorus
steve
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:25:22 -0400
From: "Mark Stancombe"
Subject: Re: who do you love
> that is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard! let me ask you, have you
> EVER played in a band? or just played an instrument? for an extended
> period of time? if so, you should know that what musicians write and play
> are influenced by what they listen to -- and are you really listening to the
> same shit that you were listening to a year ago? or even three years ago?
First of all, I am a producer, an engineer, a synthesist, a guitarist, a
vocalist, a back-up vocalist, a mixing engineer, a booking agent, a
manager, a writer, a composer, an arranger and an artist. I work with a
variety of bands in a variety of ways so I do know exactly what I am
talking about. A majority of muscians that I have worked with get sheer
enjoyment out of duplication, not influence. This is evidenced by just
listening to the radio. My musical tastes are not subject to the changing
of the weather, either. I still enjoy artists such as Inspiral Carpets,
Ned's Atomic Dustbin, The Stone Roses, RIDE, SLOWDIVE, etc, etc, etc. I
even still enjoy U2's Unforgettable Fire which I have been listening to for
about 13 years (in various formats).
> reserve the words "selling out" for a group like metallica or something -- i
> mean, group haircuts, come on!
Don't be so offended. I appreciate Mojave 3 as much as anyone else, but
when they make a move that is so obvious why call it anything other than
what it is. As for the trumpet remarks, well, the use of traditional
instruments in a songs arrangement has helped sell records since The
Beatles "Yesterday".
Sincerely, Sillabyss...
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:59:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alvin de Leon
Subject: lycia & soul whirling somewhere
Have you guys heard of the group called Lycia
and Soul Whirling Somewhere........
what do they sound like..???
xoxo
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