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Today's Topics:
	 Re: who do you love
	 Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere
	 Re: who do you love
	 Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere
	 Re: Mogwai/Bardo R.I.P.
	 Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere
	 Bizzare Fest. Tracklisting
	 rather exhaustive windy & carl discography
	 Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere
	 Colfax Abbey question
	 Re: Colfax Abbey question
	 Re: rachel similarities (fwd)
	 swells
	 cd treasure hunt, swirlies, ride?
	 CDs for sale
	 Re: cd treasure hunt, swirlies, ride?
	 The Autumns tour dates
	 Unidentified subject!

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:49:23 EDT
From: KingoGrief@aol.com
Subject: Re: who do you love

In a message dated 98-07-26 14:49:16 EDT, you write:

<<
 everytime people post what they like it is the same sh*t
 granted i like some of that sh*t but it is always something like 
 flying saucer attack, seefeel, an april march, the autumns (who are
 brilliant), bardo pond... when i met neil at the sxsw show i asked him what
 he had been listening to and he said nick drake...
>>

...and it shows in his work...i'd recommend *bryter layter* to everyone on the
list who doesn't own it already, but i guess nobody's going to take me
seriously now that i've admitted owning those hanson albums...c'mon, i dig
bubblegum!!  is that so wrong??

i haven't heard "who do you love" yet, but from what i've heard of the newer
m3 work, i don't see what the problem is...so far, i don't think i'll like the
new album as much as *ask me tomorrow*, but i'm not horrified, either...i'll
always prefer slowdive to m3, but i can respect neil & rachel's wishes to
leave that all behind (obligatory ride reference) and explore new territory
(well, new to them, anyhow)...you don't have to like it, but i don't see how
any sellout accusations are relevant...just face it: slowdive is no more...it
has ceased to be...acknowledge its passing, celebrate its memory, and join the
rest of us in 1998, ok?  sorry to be harsh, but a relaity check is in order, i
believe...

cheers,

jeff

p.s.  i wouldn't go as far as saying the autumns are brilliant, but they are
quite good...check out *the angel pool*, but only after you've purchased
*bryter layter*...

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 98 20:40:16 -0600
From: Tired Hungry Bear 
Subject: Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere

never heard lycia, but i have hear soul whirling somewhere, on projekt as
i recall, ive only heard his album with the girl on the cover (2 cd's)
sounds like a guy with a guitar and a keyboard singing melodramatic stuff
about how much he loves this girl and how he wishes he was dead (thats my
take) i liked the music alot but i thought the lyrics were really hmm
lacking, the same thing is said on every song over and over (almost
literally) though im sure some people would really enjoy this i personally
dont...

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:18:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: professor plum 
Subject: Re: who do you love

> A majority of muscians that I have worked with get sheer
> enjoyment out of duplication, not influence. This is evidenced by just
> listening to the radio. 

maybe so, but i find from my experience working at various record labels
that bands that have been accused of selling out have nothing of the sort on
their agenda.  they're actually doing their own thing, however bad i might
find the music to be.  in general.  i find that giving artists (and people
in general) the benefit of the doubt goes a long way.

>> reserve the words "selling out" for a group like metallica or something-- i
>> mean, group haircuts, come on!
>
> Don't be so offended. I appreciate Mojave 3 as much as anyone else, but
> when they make a move that is so obvious why call it anything other than
> what it is. 

what?!  it's pretty obvious to ME at least that a group like mojave 3 will
never break big and make bankroll -- the best that they can hope for, doing
the kind of music that they do, is to build a good fan base, play music and
live all right without having to work day jobs on the side, and maybe
inspire some people to live and love a little more (as corny as that
sounds).  that's why i don't think it makes sense to even bring up the
question of selling out when talking about mojave 3.

; e.

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:48:18 -0400
From: "avalyn" 
Subject: Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere

All I remember about Lycia is very heavy with slow strong beats

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:46:38 -0400
From: "Cox, Jonathan Campbell" 
Subject: Re: Mogwai/Bardo R.I.P.

I picked up Windy & Carl's Depths CD a couple of weeks ago and support their
apparent strong recommendation on this list, especially if you like
Slowdive's version of Golden Hair. Anyway, my request is for someone to
either send me or point me in the direction of a Windy and Carl discography
including formats.  Any info on Bowery Electric, Colfax Abbey, and Grimble
Grumble would be appreciated.   I have not been able to find much on the web
about them.

Thanks
JC

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:45:44 EDT
From: Bluemuse8@aol.com
Subject: Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere

last night i went to the projekt records show and in my own personal opinion
it was very good..the bands walked around and i was able to talk to quite a
few people...the ...arcanta opened, sans the band (it was only one guy and at
a goth  show that takes guts to do everything alone)..then voltaire played and
the lead singer is wonderfully funny and wicked....and i got this free zine he
writes called oh my goth (which is very amusing)..then lycia played and they
were very good and then black tape for a blue girl..all in all i was
impressed..and i was lucky enough to become aquainted with the violin player
from voltaire and be invited backstage\

tohereknowswhen
sabrina

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:40:41 -0700
From: "Kalhoun" 
Subject: Bizzare Fest. Tracklisting

Hello.  Does anyone have the tracklisting to the show Slowdive played at the
Bizzare Festival in '92?  I'd really appreciate  the info.

Thanks a lot!

Tim

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 01:57:55 +0600
From: box-and-whiskers 
Subject: rather exhaustive windy & carl discography

quoth jonathan campbell cox:

> I picked up Windy & Carl's Depths CD a couple of weeks ago and support their
> apparent strong recommendation on this list, especially if you like
> Slowdive's version of Golden Hair. 

that's a pretty good comparison.

> Anyway, my request is for someone to
> either send me or point me in the direction of a Windy and Carl discography
> including formats.  

alright, i'll try to tackle this as i've actually been sporadically working
on a w&c discography webpage for a few months now.  i figured enough of you
would be interested for me to post to the entire list (and suck up so much
bandwidth!).  this may not be entirely complete, as it's just what i've been
able to come up with on my own, but it's most of it anyhow.  okay, here goes...

(in chronological order)

lp/cd: 
portal cd  (ba-da-bing  bing-004)
drawing of sound lp  (blue flea  07)
drawing of sound cd  (icon  ic126)
antarctica (the bliss out, vol.2) 12"/cd  (darla  drl 027-1/2)  
depths dbl lp/cd  (kranky  krank024)
"near and far" from split cd with amp  (blue flea  09) 

7"/10"/cs:
watersong/dragonfly 7"  (blue flea  1)
instrumentals ep 7"  (burnt hair  singe 01)
self-titled cs  (blue flea  2)
portal cs  (blue flea  3)
emerald/fragments of time & space 7"  (enraptured  rapt4501)
"left without air" from split 7" with füxa  (blue flea  4 / mind expansion
me-003)
christmas cs  (blue flea  6)
radio performances cs  (blue flea  8)
"green" from split 7" with hopewell  (burnt hair  singe 007)
"christmas song" from enraptured yuletide forty five (split 7" with grimble
grumble)  (enraptured          rapt4509)
"crazy in the sun" from split 7" with silver apples  (rocket girl  rgirl11)
a dream of blue 10"  (ochre  och017)

compilation tracks: 
"smeared" from mind expansion volume 1 7"
"program" from electronic evocations: a tribute to the silver apples 10"/cd
"birds" from detroit electric cd
"preparation" from monsters, robots and bug men dbl cd
"beyond asleep" from disco sucks 7"boxset/cd
"clouds within you" from go sonic 001 7"
"marble dream" from angelfood electronics 12"(volume two)/cd
"fuzzy" from chunklet magazine cd
"underground" from sunday sept.14th.'97 cd
"awhile" and "lighthouse" from terrastock live cd
"warm like december" from solutions & remedies cd
"so near, so far" from after the flood2 dbl cd

other projects:
five way mirror
"untitled" from badaboom gramophone #2 cd
(i think there's at least one cassette release as well)
once dreamt
drifting 12"  (blue flea  5)

and there you go.  hey, you asked for it. :]

> Any info on Bowery Electric, 

visit randy's well-done page at 
or brainwashed at 
or beggars banquet at 

> Colfax Abbey, 

well, there's the the two full-lengths, _drop_ (their 'shoegaze' album) and
_penetrate_ (their 'ambient' album), both on prospective records, and
apparently there's a 7" too.

> and Grimble Grumble would be appreciated.

well, if you'd like a discography, i could probably dig one up, but i'm not
feeling that adventurous at the moment! :]  they're very good though.   

> I have not been able to find much on the web about them.

me neither.

i have way too much free time,
susan.

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:22:29 +1000 (EST)
From: Alister Thomas 
Subject: Re: lycia & soul whirling somewhere

> Have you guys heard of the group called Lycia

Yep, I got my 1st couple of Lycia albums the other week. I have to admit
that I liked them more than other Projekt stuff that I've heard. The thing
that baffled me the most was the fact that they're always described a
"gothy" and "dark". I didn't think that this was the case at all. Their
music has struck me as being very "dreamy" and laid back. In fact, I'd
liken it to relaxation music. It's rather ethereal and often very
beautiful. Very synth-based with other instruments mixed in to sound as
though they were recorded in the room next door (Ie. very soft). It's
really nice and a lot of their work I would liken to Vangelis, actually
(think of his track "Antarctica" and you'll get an idea of the vein of
music that Lycia do) and perhapsd Brian Eno or even a little like Black
Tape for a Blue Girl except much more cohesive sounding (they use less
instruments, for starters!) and have nicer vocals that blend with the music
really well (I don't like many of the vocals that Black Tape have - too
much of it is like sandpaper over my ears after listening to some of their
beautiful soundscapes that don't have vocals).

Lycia are really good. The album I would recommend from the only 3 that I
have heard ("A day in the stark corner", "Cold" and "Estrella") is "Cold".
This album has some truly beautiful moments and is really, really nice to
listen to as relaxation music. Don't listen to the "goth" hype!!! They have
a few harsh vocals (which you can hardly figure out most of the time
because they're mixerd in so closely with the actual music) but the music
is much more dreamy than dark...

Alister

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:36:51 +1000 (EST)
From: Alister Thomas 
Subject: Colfax Abbey question

I got the Colfax Abbey EP "Penetrate" the other day and thought it was
ok-ish but am told that their album "Drop" is quite different to this EP.
I'll be getting this one, soon, also. How do the 2 releases compare???

Alister

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:57:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: professor plum 
Subject: Re: Colfax Abbey question

> I got the Colfax Abbey EP "Penetrate" the other day and thought it was
> ok-ish but am told that their album "Drop" is quite different to this EP.
> I'll be getting this one, soon, also. How do the 2 releases compare???

drop - belongs in 1992, ride+verve+slowdive
penetrate - more 1994-5ish, when our beloved shoegazers went ambient

penetrate imho is a waste of time, but drop (which you can find in many used
bins) is a classic (a late one, albeit).  highly recommended, baby!

; e.

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:19:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Gilham 
Subject: Re: rachel similarities (fwd)

hey ---  I was going thru my  and realised the below never went
to the List.  Not that it really matters ... but I thought some might get
a laugh outta it -- if they'd not already ...
	AND, I really do think that Rachel is more attracive than Gillian
Anderson ... [though I've just seen _Rachel_ in person] :-)

about the list of attractive males [while I'm on the subject ;-) ] :

I dunno, Neil was the only one I really agreed w/ [that I remember] ...

I mean Ian Masters??  That's really a stretch [no offense] ... geez, I
feel really base discussing these superficial things ... okay, so I think
I better leave off! :-)

love,
Michael

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:41:57 +0200
From: "LOSING TODAY" 
Subject: swells

does anyone know the Swells??

their debut mini cd is wonderful and has slowdive influences

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:58:49 -0300
From: Shaun Schmeisser 
Subject: cd treasure hunt, swirlies, ride?

Sorry, but i just had to boast about today's used cd find...
Ride -nowhere $12
My Bloody Valentine -glider ep $5
MBV -tremelo ep $5
MBV -you made me realize ep $5
Low -songs for a dead pilot vinyl $10

Same store that had all this had (as listed in their computerized
database)
Slowdrive -morningraise ep  :)  I already have it so if anyone is
interested, it's only $5.  Email me..

I'd also like to really recommend the first Swirlies album "Blonder
Tounge Audio Baton".  Very early MBV'ish but better (IMO).  Anyone know
if their other stuff is as good?

Also, this being my first ride cd (nowhere), what's their other stuff
like?

shaun
ps. where do babys come from?

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:38:51 -0700
From: "Kalhoun" 
Subject: CDs for sale

Hello everyone.  Sorry for the crosspost, but I'm moving and really need to
get rid of some stuff...first come first serve.  All prices include postage.
Please email me privately at kalhoun@harborside.com if you're interested.

Thanks.

ColorFilter-Sleep in a Synchotron $5
Ken Ishii-Jelly Tones (Japanese techno-promo, no artwork) $4
Panasonic-Kulma $5
Braniac-Electroshock for President $5
Disque 9-Des Incurables $5
The Hair and Skin Trading Company-Over Valence $5
Beck-Mellow Gold (still sealed) $6
Six Finger Satellite-Severe Exposure $5
Seefeel-More Like Space ep (import) $5
Swervedriver-99th Dream $6
The Divine Comedy-Casanova (2cd version...limited ed.) $10
Supergrass-In it for the Money (2cd version...limited ed.) $10
Mulu-Filmstar (import single) $4
Tarnation-Mirador $5
Purple Ivy Shadows-No Less the Trees than the Stars (promo, no art) $4
Sixteen Deluxe-Emits Showers of Sparks $5
Ocean Colour Scene-1st album on Fontana $5
Armageddon Dildos-Come Armageddon (single...cover's of Everyday  is like
Sunday...writing on cover) $4
The Wonder Stuff-On the Ropes (promo only single) $4
Smashing Orange-No Return in the End (cutout) $5
Geneva-Into the Blue ep $4
Frente!-Marvin the Album $5
Subcircus-Carousel $5
Longpigs-The Sun is Often Out $5
Mundy-Life's a Cinch (promo single) $4
Natalie Merchant-Tigerlily $5
Baby chaos-Safe Sex, Designer Drugs, etc. (cutout) $5
China Drom-Goosefair $5
3 Colours Red-Pure $5
Airhead-Boing! (import) $6
Erasure-In my arms (promo single w/remix) $5

Vinyl Lps
Test Dept.- Terra Firma $5
Daft Punk-Homework (2 lps, still sealed!) $10
Chug-Little Things (still sealed 10") $5
Face To Face-Big Choice (blue vinyl-played once) $5
Dink-Get on it (12" single w/ remixes-swirl vinyl) $5
Dish-Boneyard Beach (still sealed) $5

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:50:28 -0700
From: Richard Henson 
Subject: Re: cd treasure hunt, swirlies, ride?

Almost all of their other material is crap.  There is a collection of ep's
(i think it's called Smile) that's pretty good and the next album after
nowhere, Going Blank Again that is okay (but it does have the best ride
song ever on it).  If you want to hear that song (Leave Them All Behind),
just get the ep of the same name because it has the only two good songs
from the album plus a really kick-ass, thirteen minute non-album track,
grasshopper.  That's really all the ride i like (coming from a shoegazer
background) - some people like their other albums too, i don't.  Not nearly
as many effects and a lot of just plain bad song writing (if you do happen
to get Going Blank Again or get a chance to hear it, just listen to the
song right after Leave them All Behind, it sucks the fatest cock.  It is a
genuine piece of shit.  I have no idea what they were thinking writing a
song like Leave Them All Behind and then putting that rat turd right after
it on the album.  Anyway, that's my take on ride.  Oh yeah, the live
album's pretty good too; it has some good live versions of crappy songs.

						- richard

At 02:58 PM 7/27/98 -0300, you wrote:

> Also, this being my first ride cd (nowhere), what's their other stuff
> like?
>
> shaun

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:08:44 -0500
From: Andrew Freeman 
Subject: The Autumns tour dates

http://members.aol.com/autumns07/

I think I'll be going to one of the dallas dates.  Not sure yet.

Andrew
mailto:afreeman@wt.net Andrew Freeman

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:05:30 +0100
From: "Yaz" 
Subject: Unidentified subject!

 hello everyone. does anyone know who is playing along with mojave 3 at ulu
on Wednesday night? cheers.

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