The Avalyn Digest

There are 37 messages totalling 772 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. mojave 3 (2)
  2. Slowdivish Bands (7)
  3. some points (4)
  4. chapterhouse (4)
  5. Primal Scream (2)
  6. slowdivish bands/An April March 
  7. a Slowdive sounding band (4)
  8. chpterhouse (2)
  9. SIANspheric? (3)
 10. FWD: trade???
 11. good lord
 12. Merry Christmans 
 13. CDs for trade
 14. Merry Christmas !!
 15. (Non-List info) (3)

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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 17:29:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Zenki 
Subject: Re: mojave 3

> like "i stand by my lover, he stands by me.."  wah? does this move anyone?

It's "I stand by my lover as SHE stands by me."  Your lyrics would be 
quite a different story.  And although that particular line may not be 
astounding, every other line in that track is.

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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:28:34 -0500
From: mdwalbur@student.berklee.edu (Matt Walburn/Summer Holiday)
Subject: Re: mojave3

>well, i would say there's practically no chance of there being a
>"slowdive-ish" song on the next mojave album....in my opinion, "ask me
>tomorrow" was an excellent debut.
>but then i also love stuff like nick drake, tim buckley, big star, leonard
>cohen. at the same time there were a couple songs that were near plagiarism.
>listen to "where is the love" along with cohen's "one of us cannot be wrong".
>mojave totally swiped the vocal melody.
>
>anyway, my point is i think mojave will start to find there own niche in that
>genre &  start to be less derivative. i can't seem them going back to a
>slowdive type of sound for a while. i believe "ask me tomorrow" sold more
>than any slowdive record & that has got to be encouraging for them...

I totally agree. "Ask Me Tomorrow" is FANTASTIC.  Neil finally got back
around to writing songs instead of sounds.  And if the songs the performed
of the Shaving the Pavement tour last summer serve as an indication of
things to come... the next album will be even better!

Matt Walburn

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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 21:07:15 -0500
From: larry@interlog.com (superbacana)
Subject: Re: Slowdivish Bands

>Some cool slowdivish bands you might like to check out from canada are 
>Toronto's An April March, and Vancouver's Perfume Tree,  also There is 
>this amazing band called SIANspheric who recently broke up but are one of 
>the coolest bands i've ever heard

Umm...I wouldn't say An April March were Slowdivey...more like a slightly
goth Cocteau Twins

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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:24:13 -0800
From: Ian Chang 
Subject: some points

whats up -

	a few points:

	1. Anyone know anything about the Mercy single 
	that Mojave were going to cut with an orchestra? It 
	supposedly was to come out last June but nothing! Mercy
	is definitely the highpoint of the album for me. Love
	the acoustic version on the Shaving tape.

	2.Can someone supply an Eternal discog? I have two Eternal
	tracks on the Glass Arcade comp. on Sarah. Nice kinda 
	blend of Slowdive and indie-pop; is that Christian Saville
	on vocals ?

	3. Morningrise has seemed to have been rereleased; its on
	the Siren Disc catalog 9.99 . Cheers to Creation! Maybe
	McGee'll rerelease those early Swervedriver singles next!	 

	Oh yah - introductions.. name's Ian, been a Slowdive
	nutter for the past five years or so. Got all the regular
	releases except for the In Mind remixes and that Live
	in Oslo boot (someone got an extra copy?). 

	Never got to see the 'Dive live, but did manage to catch
	Mojave in Austin last April. Me and my mates caught Lush
	in Houston at the annual radio station alterna-fest in the 
	afternoon, then drove 150 miles to Austin to catch 
	the Shaving-the-Pavement-minus-Lush at the Electric Lounge.
	Got there at 11:00 pm, five minutes before Mojave came on! 
	The band were excellent, but didn't the keyboard player look
	a little out-of-place! Was that Simon from Chapterhouse on
	2nd guitar?!  Excellent show - lets hope they'll come back
	again!

	on a related Chapterhouse note - anyone know about the 2CD
	best of from the Chappies?

	cheers
	Ian

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Date: 12 Dec 1996 22:45:04 PST
From: avalyn@wgserv.baudtown.com
Subject: chapterhouse

the 2 disc compilation is out now in Japan and the US is next!

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 02:18:21 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan 
Subject: re: slowdivish bands

>Umm...I wouldn't say An April March were Slowdivey...more like a slightly
>goth Cocteau Twins

ummm...no, i don't completely agree...they have a few tracks, specifically
'maiden pinks', 'the red dots', and 'array', which are very 'slowdivey' (and
incredible); and even tho' some of the music is 'cocteaus-esque', the vocals
sound *nothing* like liz fraser's. (goth??? methinks not!)
just my two cents'...

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 02:22:48 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan 
Subject: re: some points

ian wrote...
>	on a related Chapterhouse note - anyone know about the 2CD
>	best of from the Chappies?

yup. it's officially out now on dedicated (but i don't know where to find it
here in the states...)

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 06:41:33 -0500
From: larry@interlog.com (superbacana)
Subject: re: slowdivish bands

>>Umm...I wouldn't say An April March were Slowdivey...more like a slightly
>>goth Cocteau Twins
>
>ummm...no, i don't completely agree...they have a few tracks, specifically
>'maiden pinks', 'the red dots', and 'array', which are very 'slowdivey' (and
>incredible); and even tho' some of the music is 'cocteaus-esque', the vocals
>sound *nothing* like liz fraser's

It was the music rather than the vocals that I was getting at. Stuff like
"Scarlett Bliss", right down to the bass sound.

Anyway, I don't really care for them. Danella was very snooty to a friend of
mine for no particular reason. They're not especially liked in their
hometown anyway.

> (goth??? methinks not!) just my two cents'...

Not goth in sound, but have you *seen* what they look like? Or the T-shirts
they sell?

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 06:41:49 -0500
From: larry@interlog.com (superbacana)
Subject: Re: some points

>whats up -
>
>	a few points:
>
>	1. Anyone know anything about the Mercy single 
>	that Mojave were going to cut with an orchestra? It 
>	supposedly was to come out last June but nothing! Mercy
>	is definitely the highpoint of the album for me. Love
>	the acoustic version on the Shaving tape.

That's been shelved (permanently, I think)

>	2.Can someone supply an Eternal discog? I have two Eternal
>	tracks on the Glass Arcade comp. on Sarah. Nice kinda 
>	blend of Slowdive and indie-pop; is that Christian Saville
>	on vocals ?

I think those were the only two songs (A and B sides of a single). They
recorded some more stuff, but the nerds at Sarah turned it down. Then
Christian was asked to help out with some band called Slowdive...

>	The band were excellent, but didn't the keyboard player look
>	a little out-of-place! Was that Simon from Chapterhouse on
>	2nd guitar?!  

Yes.

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 23:45:46 +1100
From: Donald Chin 
Subject: re: Chapterhouse

hi all,

At 2:22 AM +0500 13/12/96, susan marie mcgowan wrote:

> ian wrote...
> >	on a related Chapterhouse note - anyone know about the 2CD
> >	best of from the Chappies?
>
> yup. it's officially out now on dedicated (but i don't know where to find it
> here in the states...)

well, here are more details...
Chapterhouse : Rownderbowt (28 trx/Double CD Dedicated-025  DCD)

it costs US$25.50 from parasol records   or


i haven't ordered it, but i plan to.

regards,
donald

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:45:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Claire De Leon! 
Subject: Primal Scream

I spotted 2 OLD Primal Scream CDs at the local shop used for not very much
money. One was on Creation and quite old as far as I could tell and was
$15 (kinda a lot used!) and the other was on some other label but was from
'87 or so - pretty old, and I think the title was "Early Primal Scream" or
something like that. My point leads to this question: Is this stuff good?
I mean, as far as I'm concerned, Primal Scream hit it dead on the nose
with Higher Than the Sun. Is this older stuff anything like HTTS, or is it
poppy, or how is it?

Just wondering...
Daniel

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 10:05:12 -0500
From: Steve Willett 
Subject: Re: slowdivish bands/An April March 

> It was the music rather than the vocals that I was getting at. Stuff like
> "Scarlett Bliss", right down to the bass sound.

Hmmm. 'Scarlett Bliss'... that would be the single form the first disc
they released back in  ..... 1989 or 1990 ???  As most good bands do,
AAM have grown considerably.  You may want to judge them on something
relatively recent (then again you may NOT want to).  Try the Bedazzled
web-site at www.bedazzled.com for some recent sounds.

> Not goth in sound, but have you *seen* what they look like? Or the T-shirts
> they sell?

Isn't the point here ..... what they SOUND like.  They are musicians not
videos.

Steve

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:06:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Claire De Leon! 
Subject: Re: some points

> 	on a related Chapterhouse note - anyone know about the 2CD
> 	best of from the Chappies?
> 

Yup - it's out. And available through Parasol. $25 though...a bit much,
eh?

Daniel

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:57:55 +0000
From: Ian Pollard 
Subject: a Slowdive sounding band

I'm kind of suprised that no-one has mentioned them yet but Blueboy
aren't entirely disimilar from Slowdive. On tracks like the excellent
single 'River' they are equally blissed out. Although they have slimmed
down to just a two-piece now they did have a boy/girl singing thing
going on for a while. Their latest single on Shinkansen is rather good,
with some nice string sounds. Alot of their earlier releases are still
available on Sarah Records (through Shinkansen).

Ian Pollard

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:55:00 -0500
From: Melochrome@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chapterhouse

i picked up the Chapterhouse compilation a week ago. personally, i was quite
disappointed with it.  their version of "rain" is quite interesting for those
who haven't heard it already (it sounds quite a bit like Ride). but the 2nd
disc is comprised mostly of demos (which i think are pretty mediocre) there
is a Spacemen 3 cover and "Die Die Die" which are pretty rare tracks.  i just
don't think Chapterhouse were all that talented (apart from "Pearl" which is
brilliant).  needless to say, i might be selling it if anyone's interested.
email me....

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:01:17 -0500
From: Melochrome@aol.com
Subject: Re: Primal Scream

the older Primal Scream lp's don't sound anything like higher than.... or
anything of screamadelica.   when primal scream first started, the 2 main
songwriters were Bobby Gillespie & Jim Beattie.  after those lp's Jim left &
as he wrote the music the style changed dramatically.  anyway, the sound on
those 2 lp's was poppy & very Beatles-esque and bobby's vocal style was more
in that vein as well.  when Beattie left, he started a new band called Spirea
X (named after a primal song) & they put out an lp on 4ad (Fireblade Skies)
and a pretty excellent single (Chlorine Dream).  he started a new band called
Adventures in Stereo, or something...

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:15:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Baker 
Subject: re: slowdivish bands

for everyone on the list who were subjected to some narrow-minded
trash talking directed to Toronto's An April March.... PAY NO MIND!

i think i can loosely call Danella from the band a friend, and i speak to
her enough to tell all of you that there are great people making brilliant
music. for any one interested, they are signed to BEDAZZLED RECORDS in
Washington D.C and tour rather regularly state-side.... that is why they
focus on their "hometown" a little less (i am assuming).

Another band on Bedazzled, THE CURTAIN SOCIETY are also worthy to
be mentioned on this list; they have just released a new album.

i not connected to the label or anything, but it's full of great
music; i would dare to call it the 4ad of North America as far as style
goes... if any one intereseted has trouble finding information, drop me a
line and i'll try to help ya out.

contact An April March at: aam@passport.ca

cheers

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:28:27 -0600 (CST)
From: "sara johnson"  
Subject: Re: a Slowdive sounding band

I just ordered a cd by the band shiFt (a folding sieve) which is absolutly 
gorgeous.  I don't really know what to compare it to though...hmmm...i'm not 
very good at this.  male/female vox, kinda noisy-but nothing like mbv.  i can't 
describe it any better than that, but i would highly reccomend it.

sara

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 13:35:58 -0500
From: Jeff Birgbauer 
Subject: Re: Chapterhouse

>i just don't think Chapterhouse were all that talented

What?!?!? you're crazy. Chapterhouse's debut is a CLASSIC. If you missed 
out on early tracks by them, buy the new 2CD comp. I recommend this to 
true Chapterhouse die hearts for the 2nd disc. The first disc is GREAT if 
you missed out on the early singles.

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:50:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Wet Wet Mark 
Subject: re: slowdivish bands

> for everyone on the list who were subjected to some narrow-minded
> trash talking directed to Toronto's An April March.... PAY NO MIND!

I'll drink to that.

> Another band on Bedazzled, THE CURTAIN SOCIETY are also worthy to
> be mentioned on this list; they have just released a new album.
> i not connected to the label or anything, but it's full of great
> music; i would dare to call it the 4ad of North America as far as style
> goes...  

And to this.  Curtain Society, from what I've heard is damn good and fits 
into this list quite well.  Check them out if you can.

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Date: 13 Dec 1996 11:04:22 PST
From: avalyn@wgserv.baudtown.com
Subject: chpterhouse

> Chapterhouse : Rownderbowt (28 trx/Double CD Dedicated-025  DCD)
>
> it costs US$25.50 from parasol records 
> or 

is this the only place it will be available at?  it won't be in stores?

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:02:42 +0500
From: susan marie mcgowan 
Subject: re: slowdivish bands

greetings everyone...
okay, regarding an april march, i was just taking their music into account;
i have never seen them live, so therefore i wouldn't know about those other
external factors...

another band on bedazzled (see http://www.iuma.com/bedazzled/) definitely
worth mentioning is ultracherry violet--sort of a hokie name, but their
album 'i fall to pieces' is quite good, and the track 'i think you're lying
to me' is nothing short of amazing!
just another two cents' of mine...

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:00:52 -0500
From: Maston@aol.com
Subject: Re: slowdivish bands

As someone who has lived in the Boston area, I have seen the curtain society
live three times, and I must say that I have never been so bored at a show
before.

One of the most mismatched performances was the Curtain society opening for
the legendary pink dots.  I found their songs to all be repetitive and
relatively the same.  

However, since I have heard only one song on a compilation, I have no idea
how they sound "dead".

none too thrilled with bedazzled,
Jason

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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:48:34 -0500
From: avalyn@chesco.com
Subject: Re: a Slowdive sounding band

At 09:57 AM 12/13/96 +0000, you wrote:
>
>I'm kind of suprised that no-one has mentioned them yet but Blueboy
>aren't entirely disimilar from Slowdive. On tracks like the excellent
>single 'River' they are equally blissed out. Although they have slimmed
>down to just a two-piece now they did have a boy/girl singing thing
>going on for a while. Their latest single on Shinkansen is rather good,
>with some nice string sounds. Alot of their earlier releases are still
>available on Sarah Records (through Shinkansen).

Blueboy sounds like slowdive?  Hmm don't really agree.   River doesn't even
really sound slowdivey at all.  Just my opinion.
bye  ryan

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 03:18:53 -0500
From: Srilank@aol.com
Subject: Re: a Slowdive sounding band

> I'm kind of suprised that no-one has mentioned them yet but Blueboy
>  aren't entirely disimilar from Slowdive. On tracks like the excellent
>  single 'River' they are equally blissed out. Although they have slimmed
>  down to just a two-piece now they did have a boy/girl singing thing
>  going on for a while. Their latest single on Shinkansen is rather good,
>  with some nice string sounds. Alot of their earlier releases are still
>  available on Sarah Records (through Shinkansen).

...there are *some* Blueboy tracks that indulge in ambient soundscapes, but
for the most part they are infectious twee acoustic pop ~ which in their case
works out beautifully.  Blueboy have consistently put out stellar stuff IMO,
but as for continously close connections to the Slowdive sound -- I would
have to disagree.

Post-demise Sarah labelmates Secret Shine, on the other hand, almost
blatently stole the sound (only to a lower-fi finished product)  The
"loveblind" ep *is* a Soulvaki-era Slowdive incarnate single if there ever
was one :)

btw, does anyone know what Secret Shine is doing now?

jason
onnow: Seely - Julie only
srilank@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 23:54:29 +1100
From: Donald Chin 
Subject: Re:chpterhouse

hi,

At 11:04 AM -0800 13/12/96, avalyn@wgserv.baudtown.com wrote:

> Chapterhouse : Rownderbowt (28 trx/Double CD Dedicated-025  DCD)
> it costs US$25.50 from parasol records 
> or 
>
> is this the only place it will be available at?  it won't be in stores?

that's where i saw it listed. i use parasol records as a mail order service
quite often. i am sure it will be everywhere.

regards, donald

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:26:08 +0100
From: "Igor V. Boronenkov" 
Subject: SIANspheric?

Hello all,
with the recent mention of SIANspheric- could, anybody, please, provide
some more or less clear description of their sound? (I know, it's difficult
s/times) Availability of CD (address of the band, maybe)?

Thanks in advance.
salute
Boroda

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:12:46 -0500 (EST)
From: butterfly mcqueen 
Subject: Re: SIANspheric?

don't pay any attention to the slowdive references, they aren't really
valid.  you'll hear a lot that they're like early verve, which is sort of
right.  their sound is very lush, reverby, and spaced out, but the songs in
general aren't as solid as verve's.  out of the ten songs on the album, two
or three strike me as great; there are about three bad seeds in there --
they can get kind of corny at times.  borrow someone's copy and listen to it
first, that's what i would recommend.

available $12 ppd from:
sonic unyon records canada
p.o.box 57347
jackson station
hamilton, ontario, canada
L8P 4X2

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:24:26 -0600 (CST)
From: "Luis B. Abcede" 
Subject: Re: SIANspheric?

Also visit http://www.sonicunyon.com
Just follow the links to their page.  They've even got a short soundclip.

Luis

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 07:18:01 +0100 (MET)
From: chief@lysator.liu.se
Subject: FWD: trade???

Forwarded message (sorry about the delay, but I'm graduating in two days):

> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:08:44 CST
> From: Timmer 
> Subject: Re: trade???
>
>   I've been a Slowdive fan for about two years now and STILL do not have all
> their material! I know some people say that they have no trouble finding
> stuff out there; maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place... :P   Anyway, I
> was wondering if anyone out there is looking for the 5ep (in mind remixes).
> I have an extra copy and would be willing to trade for any of the 4 eps I
> need:
>
>  Slowdive EP
>  Blueday EP
>  5 EP
>  Holding Our Breath EP
>
> Anyone??? :)   Anyone know where I could find one if nobody wants to
> trade???  Thanks...
>
> Tim

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Date: 18 Dec 1996 23:21:36 PST
From: avalyn@wgserv.baudtown.com
Subject: good lord

..5ep is good..but not $20 worth because you can definitely find it for
$10 elsewhere..it's not as rare as other eps..

on another note..avalyn..
"avilyn" appears on cassette tapes
"aralyn" is some whitewolf stuff i think
but i doubt they have anything to do with avalyn

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 15:28:17 -0500
From: Moonstar9@aol.com
Subject: Merry Christmans 

just wanted to say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year...i know this is early
but i am going away...

love, Jared

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 23:43:49 -0500
From: John Brown 
Subject: CDs for trade

>Noticing a few post by people sell their discs, here's a list of discs I am
looking to trade.
>
>I will trade any of the following for anything by the bands:
>
>Cocteau Twins, Felt, Echo and the Bunneymen/ Electrafixion, Galaxie 500,
Joy Division, Strangelove, My Bloody Valentine (CDEps, good trades on any
pre-Creation stuff-you can basically choose whatever you want in exchange),
Slowdive, Seefeel, Spacemen 3 (+ EAR, Spectrum, Spiritualized...), Dead Can
Dance
>
>Stuff to trade (used)
>
>Bauhaus - 1979-1981 volume 1
>David Bowie - Lots of stuff on Rykodisc
>The Velvet Underground - Boxed Set
>Pulp - His 'n Hers
>     - Different Class
>Jesus and the Mary Chain
>        Barbed Wire Kisses
>        Honey's Dead
>        Peel Sessions
>        Automatic
>        Stoned and Dethroned
>The Jam - several titles
>Public Image Ltd. - Second Edition
>The Charltans UK - several titles
>The Soft Boys - 1976-81
>Robyn Hitchcock - Black Snake Diamond Role
>
>If interested please email me privately

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 18:34:54 -0500 (GMT-0500)
From: loveless 
Subject: Merry Christmas !!

Merry christmas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 96 16:06:20 -0500
From: Jeff Birgbauer 
Subject: (Non-List info)

Anyone ever deal with CD Bonzai? Are they reliable?

thanks
Jeff

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 15:51:57 -0600 (CST)
From: "Luis B. Abcede" 
Subject: Re: (Non-List info)

Non-list info ... heh, very sneaky

I know what you're looking at, but I've never dealt with CD Banzai before.
Why don't you be the guinea pig? ;)

Luis

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:52:02 -0500
From: Srilank@aol.com
Subject: Re: (Non-List info)

> Anyone ever deal with CD Bonzai? Are they reliable?
>  
>  thanks
>  Jeff

cd bonzain deals in *alot* of bootlegs.  They receive a good selection of
shows, but be warned, they take forever in delivering the goods. I placed an
order, waited a month, called, faxed, called again, got a response, waited
another two weeks, called again - and finally a week later received the cd I
wanted.  

So, if the time factor has no bearing on things, then I would say o.k., but
if you like to have cd's delivered to you (after eons waiting) and without
having to do their invoice busy work then I would steer clear.

jason

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