Digest

Vol.2 Issue #18

August 8th, 1996

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There are 70 messages totalling 1537 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. the article (4)
  2. CHARLATANS, Oasis, Knebworth
  3. Rob... (21)
  4. suede (2)
  5. the 'sis bollocks.
  6. Oasis+The Beatles-Blah,Blah.. (5)
  7. suede/oasis
  8. For F..k's Sake (3)
  9. tabs/chords?
 10. nooo
 11. Sheer Heresy (7)
 12. Other bands (4)
 13. Hmmm?!? (9)
 14. New keyboard player.
 15. New keyboard info.
 16. New organ-meister (3)
 17. desert island discs (2)
 18. desert island discotech
 19. Desert Island Question (2)

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:27:00 -0500
From: "Travis Saunders-R3278C" 
Subject: Re[2]: the article

Thank yer Dan. 

Cheers
Travis
In memory of Rob Collins, May he rest in peace
r3278c@email.mot.com

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:57:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: the article

RYAN:  
	No one needs your sarcasm ( oh, PEACE DAN), or, especially your
ethnocentrism ("some American knob","some geezer from the states").
I'm sorry if I came off sounding like a hippy or something, or if the alleged
"geezer" had the "poor misfortune" of living in the U.S. (like a lot of us.
	Why do you give a shit what country he's from? Was that really 
necessary?
	(MY turn to argue)...
     Hugs and kisses,
		      dan.
P.S.  I'm sure you'll be quick with a snappy comeback, seeing as how the only
time you ever post on this list is to belt out some verbal bashing...

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:43:00 -0500
From: "Travis Saunders-R3278C" 
Subject: CHARLATANS, Oasis, Knebworth

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The following taken from Channel 4 Teletext (page 621).

The Charlatans have decided the show must go on, despite the tragic death of
their keyboard player Rob Collins.

The band say they will honour all live commitments - including supporting
Oasis at Knebworth - and release a new single,  One To Another, on August 26.
They will then finish work on their new LP.

They will also keep the song's video - filmed with Rob just a week before he
died in a car crash.

The Charlatans say they're staying together after the death of founder Rob
Collins because "it's what he would have wanted".

A band statement reads: "The band, their management and associates are
naturally devastated with the loss of not only an influential member, but
more so a great and loyal friend.

"We have to continue in his memory. He lived it like he loved it, and he ran
out of time.

Patrick

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:52:29 -0700
From: ryan@paragon.co.uk (Ryan Butt)
Subject: Re: the article

>RYAN:
>        No one needs your sarcasm ( oh, PEACE DAN), or, especially your
>ethnocentrism ("some American knob","some geezer from the states").
>I'm sorry if I came off sounding like a hippy or something, or if the alleged
>"geezer" had the "poor misfortune" of living in the U.S. (like a lot of us.
>        Why do you give a shit what country he's from? Was that really
>necessary?
>        (MY turn to argue)...
>     Hugs and kisses,
>                      dan.
>P.S.  I'm sure you'll be quick with a snappy comeback, seeing as how the only
>time you ever post on this list is to belt out some verbal bashing...

Awfully sorry Dan, I certainly didn't mean to get on anybodies back, let
alone put their place of origin down (isn't it strange how people can
mistake a small observation for a personal attack?). You were quick to
assume that my tone is sarcastic, but maybe if you just dropped the macho
bullshit you would have perhaps realised that I was being sincere.

I guess some people are just too quick off the mark (a bit like dear old
Linford!)

Cheerio for now

P.S. When someone has something interesting to say, then perhap you'll be
treated to my patronising wit more often. Was that snappy enough for you?

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 11:37:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Martin LACASSE 
Subject: Rob...

Apart from his truely amazing keyboards.  Let's not forget that Rob also 
did "back up" vocals, which in my opinion went really well with Tim's vocals.

I know its quite selfish to start thinking about the future of the band 
at this moment in time.  But I personally feel that the band cannot go on 
as a 3 instrument piece.  Too many bands are like that and sound the same, 
and I'm scared they'll end up sounding like Oasis or something.  I know its 
selfish in someway but I think they should consider getting a new keyboard
 player, if they decide to go on (maybe a chemical bro?, doubtly).  It 
doesn't have to be a hammond, but just something, so they can work on 
different sounds.

Rob I'll miss ya, and will engrave in my mind the left over images of 
your 3 performances I attended.

Martin Lacasse / martin@cs.mcgill.ca

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:52:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: the article

Ryan:
Sorry I misjudged you; It's not macho bullshit, believe me.  I'm not some "love
it or leave it" kind of guy, as a matter of fact I'd be willing to bet that I 
have more problems with America than you do (and I live there).
	As far as the snappy comebacks are concerned, I'll let you have the
last word.  I wouldn't want to be a hypocrite, now would I?
dan.

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:34:16 -0400
From: O2bBritish@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rob...

Just because you are concerned about the Charlatans' future doesn't give you
the right to insult other bands (Oasis). . . . .just because Oasis doesn't
sound like the Charlatans doesn't mean that they are a bad band

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:58:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert 
Subject: Re: Rob...

At 15:34 30/07/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Just because you are concerned about the Charlatans' future doesn't give you
>the right to insult other bands (Oasis). . . . .just because Oasis doesn't
>sound like the Charlatans doesn't mean that they are a bad band

Exactly, it's because that they sound like (better yet, rip off) the Beatles
they're a bad band
Cheers!

DAVE

In memory of Rob Collins, R.I.P.
a la memoire de Rob Collins, R.E.P.

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 18:56:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: jba076@airmail.net (josh barnett)
Subject: Re: Rob...

>At 15:34 30/07/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>Just because you are concerned about the Charlatans' future doesn't give you
>>the right to insult other bands (Oasis). . . . .just because Oasis doesn't
>>sound like the Charlatans doesn't mean that they are a bad band
>
>Exactly, it's because that they sound like (better yet, rip off) the Beatles
>they're a bad band
>Cheers!

they don't sound like the beatles. true they capitalize on the fact that too
many people say they are the next beatles, but ultimately in the end they
will be nothing but oasis and that's too too bad for them.
josh

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:28:07 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics 
Subject: Re: Rob...

On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, David Reichert wrote:

> At 15:34 30/07/96 -0400, you wrote:
> >Just because you are concerned about the Charlatans' future doesn't give you
> >the right to insult other bands (Oasis). . . . .just because Oasis doesn't
> >sound like the Charlatans doesn't mean that they are a bad band
> 
> Exactly, it's because that they sound like (better yet, rip off) the Beatles
> they're a bad band
> Cheers!

  Absolutely, and what about those awful lyrics
 
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:27:15 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics 
Subject: Re: Rob...

On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 O2bBritish@aol.com wrote:

> Just because you are concerned about the Charlatans' future doesn't give you
> the right to insult other bands (Oasis). . . . .just because Oasis doesn't
> sound like the Charlatans doesn't mean that they are a bad band
 
  Yes that's true, Oasis are a bad band regardless of the fact that they 
  don't sound like the Charlatans

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 02:29:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert 
Subject: Re: Rob...

>they don't sound like the beatles. true they capitalize on the fact that too
>many people say they are the next beatles, but ultimately in the end they
>will be nothing but oasis and that's too too bad for them.
>josh

Oh now come on! Haven't you listened to both bands? Be realistic for a
second here. Hell, that one song (don't know the name of it, but they sure
play 'er on the radio alot) is a direct rip of of 'Imagine'.

I would guess that you don't think that the Tea Party (well, if you've heard
of them) sounds like Led Zeppelin mixed with the Doors.

Fuck, I mean even Noel Gallagher admitted to ripping of the Beatles. And he
got a good laugh about it too.
Cheers!

DAVE

In memory of Rob Collins, R.I.P.
a la memoire de Rob Collins, R.E.P.

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:36:20 GMT
From: *suedette* 
Subject: Re: Rob...

At 02:29 31/07/96 -0400, you wrote:

>Oh now come on! Haven't you listened to both bands? Be realistic for a
>second here. Hell, that one song (don't know the name of it, but they sure
>play 'er on the radio alot) is a direct rip of of 'Imagine'.
>
>I would guess that you don't think that the Tea Party (well, if you've heard
>of them) sounds like Led Zeppelin mixed with the Doors.
>
>Fuck, I mean even Noel Gallagher admitted to ripping of the Beatles. And he
>got a good laugh about it too.
>Cheers!

Boy......... it's starting to sound like alt.music.oasis around
here.......... hmmmm...

Well as long as we are doing the rant and rave about bands that sound like
other bands, let's here some suede bashing, can we????  C'mon- I know at
least one of you will say the tired glam/Bowie thing.....  

just joking kids  ;-)

*s*

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:36:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: Rob...

Hey everyone!

I just heard this great new band the other day.  They're so good that
I feel that they warrant some discussion on this list.  True, they don't have 
much to do with what we've been discussing, but who cares?
Theyr're called THE CHARLATANS!!!!!

Sorry, just kidding!!!!!
To put in my humble opinion, I like almost every band that's been bashedon
this list (the Roses, Verve, Suede, and, yes, I'm sorry, but Oasis is pretty
good despite all the similarities...)

	Okay, okay, I'll shut up now
                 dan.

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:36:14 -0400
From: O2bBritish@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rob...

So the Beatles are a bad band also?  The Beatles were the best band ever. . .
.since Oasis can pull off sounding like them, that makes them a damn good
band also

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:42:06 -0400
From: O2bBritish@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rob...

In a message dated 96-07-31 04:45:14 EDT, you write:

 >Cheers! >>

you'd better just be joking. . . .Suede is awesome!

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:29:28 -0400
From: SPROSTON GREEN 
Subject: Reply to: Re: Rob...

im sorry but Oasis DOES sound like the Beatles ...i still like them but they do!

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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 00:09:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: Rob...
Content-Length: 204

Oasis- great pop songs, but incredibly trite lyrics...
Can't Noel do something about that?  I mean, can't he take a class or
something?
	love,
	Arturo van der Peal

P.S. Why is the subject still "Rob"?

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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 00:16:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: Rob...

Sorry for being a shithead hypocrite but:

Since we're on the topic (sort of...), what is the new Suede single
like(good/bad)?  To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't made that great trek
across the Atlantic yet...
I heard it described as "straight-ahead glam rock" (which is what they do
best).
And while we're at it, what is the new Charlies single like?
	
	dan (abnormal).

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 00:22:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert 
Subject: Re: Rob...

At 16:36 31/07/96 -0400, you wrote:
>So the Beatles are a bad band also?  The Beatles were the best band ever. . .
>.since Oasis can pull off sounding like them, that makes them a damn good
>band also

No, the Beatles are a great band. My point is that Oasis is a bad band
because they can't be original.

Ripping off a good band doesn't make you a good band. It only makes you cheap.

A good band develops its own sound. Creativity is a part of good music,
n'est-ce pas?
Cheers!

DAVE

In memory of Rob Collins, R.I.P.
a la memoire de Rob Collins, R.E.P.

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:15:28 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics 
Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: Rob...

On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, DANIEL MCNELIS wrote:

> Oasis- great pop songs, but incredibly trite lyrics...
> Can't Noel do something about that?  I mean, can't he take a class or
> something?
> 	love,
> 	Arturo van der Peal
> 
> P.S. Why is the subject still "Rob"?

Oh yes, the lyrics are in a league of their own aren't they? He must 
have one of those rhyming couplets books you can get from the newsagents.

Kevin Johnson

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:02:36 GMT
From: *suedette* 
Subject: Re: suede

At 00:16 01/08/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Sorry for being a shithead hypocrite but:
>
>Since we're on the topic (sort of...), what is the new Suede single
>like(good/bad)?  To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't made that great trek
>across the Atlantic yet...
>I heard it described as "straight-ahead glam rock" (which is what they do
>best).
>And while we're at it, what is the new Charlies single like?
>	
>	dan (abnormal).

Shithead hypocrites are the best.  The new suede single is called trash, and
that's exactly what it is.   NO!  I am joking.  It is grrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!
It has quite a 'tinny' sound to it, the vocals are distorted and high
pitched, and it is just a damn cute little song.  When you hear it, you will
understand what I mean by cute.  Oh, and it is available on two CD singles,
bith with two seperate bsides.  I have CD1 and am awaiting CD2, but the
bside "Europe is our playground" is really good.  Very different from former
suede, with a deep base line and almost a trip hop beat to it.  Well,
almost........  Check it out for yourself.... it should be available early
August (the 3rd, I believe) in NA music stores.  It was available for
listening at the nme web page a little while ago, it may still be.  

Anyways, sorry to be so un-charlatans on this posting.......

*s*  

"Maybe it's our kookiness....but were trash"  -suede

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:01:26 GMT
From: *suedette* 
Subject: Re: Rob...

At 16:42 31/07/96 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-07-31 04:45:14 EDT, you write:
>
><< 
> >Cheers! >>
>you'd better just be joking. . . .Suede is awesome!

Who me?  Of course I was joking!  I looooooooooooooooooove suede.

*s*

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:09:00 -0500
From: "Travis Saunders-R3278C" 
Subject: the 'sis bollocks.

Okay, now Please continue this argument under this new subject please as it 
makes no sense to continue under the subject of Rob, ken?  Seems a wee bit 
disrespectful.....

Cheers
Travis
Slowly wastin
In memory of Rob Collins
r3278c@email.mot.com

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:59:53 +0100
From: sharmar@dcs.gla.ac.uk (Rajiv Sharma)
Subject: Oasis+The Beatles-Blah,Blah..

> Just because you are concerned about the Charlatans' future doesn't give you
> the right to insult other bands (Oasis). . . . .just because Oasis doesn't
> sound like the Charlatans doesn't mean that they are a bad ban

Why does everyone keep going on about Oasis and the Beatles and how folk
are slagging these bands off- has everyone forgotten that this is a
Charlatans mailing list and we should be talking about The Charlatans and
no other band.

As to the future well the new single 'One to another' is absolutely amazing
in every respect and I'm sure the band can pull it off - they have done it
before and will again, everyone should have a bit more faith and after
seeing this band about 15 times live I have nothing but faith in the future
and what they can acheive !

Cheers Troopers
Rajiv Sharma

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:24:52 -0700
From: ryan@paragon.co.uk (Ryan Butt)
Subject: Re: Rob...

The new Suade single is complete bobbins - it's basically a predictable and
shallow affair with very little lyrical variation. I defy anyone who likes
it to uphold their opinion for more than a week because after hearing it
day-in, day-out on the sodding radio I've come to the conclusion that it is
in actual fact, crap.

Haven't heard the new Charlies single yet, bet it's grand though!

Nursing a hang-over
Ryan

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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 10:42:59 +0100
From: Neil M 
Subject: Re: suede/oasis

Anybody heard of The Charlatans?!

Come on, if you wanna argue about the (de)merits of Oasis, Suede
et al, can't you go somewhere else!!

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:15:10 +0100
From: sharmar@dcs.gla.ac.uk (Rajiv Sharma)
Subject: For F..k's Sake

After sending out a message outlining that us Charlatans fans don't want to
hear about any other bands like Oasis or The Beatles(No disrespect intended
to these bands !) I've just received some some irelevant messages
concerning the new Suede single - come on for Christ sake's stop goin' onn
about this kind of shit and give us all a friggin' break.

Raj

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:18:02 EST5EDT
From: "jim lowe"  
Subject: Re: Rob...

> At 15:34 30/07/96 -0400, you wrote:
> >Just because you are concerned about the Charlatans' future doesn't give you
> >the right to insult other bands (Oasis). . . . .just because Oasis doesn't
> >sound like the Charlatans doesn't mean that they are a bad band
> >
> Exactly, it's because that they sound like (better yet, rip off) the Beatles
> they're a bad band
> Cheers!

Although I would take the charlatans over Oasis in an instant, this 
statement is rather funny, as most people felt that the most recent 
Charlies album sounded alot like Oasis...

jim

jim lowe - jlowe@central.georcoll.on.ca

In memory of Rob Collins, 1964-1996, Rest in Peace

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:40:01 GMT
From: jackie@outburst.demon.co.uk (jackie)
Subject: tabs/chords?

has anyone got the tabs or chords to just lookin'? it's a top song and my mate 
cant figure it out. 

-- 
Russ

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:44:02 GMT
From: *suedette* 
Subject: Re: For F..k's Sake

At 12:15 01/08/96 +0100, you wrote:
>After sending out a message outlining that us Charlatans fans don't want to
>hear about any other bands like Oasis or The Beatles(No disrespect intended
>to these bands !) I've just received some some irelevant messages
>concerning the new Suede single - come on for Christ sake's stop goin' onn
>about this kind of shit and give us all a friggin' break.
>
>Raj

ALLRIGHT ALREADY!  No more irrelevant non-charlatans talk.  No more.  I will
eat breath sleep and shit the charlatans.  However, I must question your
above comment- "Us charlatans fans don't want to hear about bands...".
Well, obviously some of them do, or they wouldn't be holding this little
discussion, now would they.  I am sorry to have boldy ventured into the
taboo territory of 'other band talk'.  I will do it no longer.

So take a friggin' pill, will ya?

*s*

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 09:06:42 PDT
From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" 
Subject: RE: For F..k's Sake

So you speak for all Charlatans fans? I thought the last time this 
subject came up we all came to an agreement that this list was a place to
discuss good music, especially the Charlatans. Some of these bands have a lot
in common. For example Mark Collins and Noel Galagher were both roadies for
the Inspirals. 

I think its cool to talk about other bands. Just remember that 
everyone has the right to their own opinion. Here's mine- Noel Gallagher
can't sing and sucks at guitar. Suede sucks so bad that I walked out of
their show in the second song.
I'm a leaf on the vine of time,
Cresser.

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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 12:50:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: Oasis+The Beatles-Blah,Blah..

Raj-
	I think that I can speak for everyone when I say that we're all 
anxiously awaiting ANY new material (be it single or album; the single hasn't
exactly reached the states yet) from the Charlatans, but what is the harm in
discussing other bands in whom list subscribers shares a mutual interest in 
this period of apparent inactivity?   
	There are a lot of British music fans who have a hard time getting
info/updates on their favorite bands because they live in areas of the world
that require the purchase of expensive import magazines for such info.
	The reason why some aren't on a different list for every band that we
like is because we don't have time to sort through 300+ e-mail messages every
time we turn on a computer.
	I can understand your anger when none of the messages from the list 
have to do with the Charlatans, but as soon as they regroup and make a few
announcements regarding the future of the band, the tour, the album, etc. I'm
sure the list will pick up again.
	Respectfully,
		dan.

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:04:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Martin LACASSE 
Subject: Re: Oasis+The Beatles-Blah,Blah..

> 	I can understand your anger when none of the messages from the list 
> have to do with the Charlatans, but as soon as they regroup and make a few
> announcements regarding the future of the band, the tour, the album, etc. I'm
> sure the list will pick up again.

But the point of a "mailing list" is that if nothing is going on with the 
charlatans, then there shouldn't be any messages.  Its a mailing list, 
hence only when their is new information should their be an e-mail.

I have to disagree with you, when you said that most people on this list 
share common band interests.  This is in fact not true, as we have seen 
in the past 20 messages.  People subscribe to this list, with ONE common 
interest "the charlatans", and nothing else.  I'll agree that sometimes 
other band comparisons may pop up.  But to the point of saying that you 
would want other band discussions because you don't want to subscribe to 
other lists defeats the purpose of a "charlatans" mailing list.

If you want information about other british bands, without buying those 
expensive magasines.  Try the following site: 

http://www.freestyle.com/supersonic/

Hope this helps.

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 14:52:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: jba076@airmail.net (josh barnett)
Subject: Re: Rob...

>Oh now come on! Haven't you listened to both bands? Be realistic for a
>second here. Hell, that one song (don't know the name of it, but they sure
>play 'er on the radio alot) is a direct rip of of 'Imagine'.

i agree that when i hear oasis i hear the beatles influence in there, but
what i'm saying is when i hear them i don't think 'boy that sure sounds like
the beatles.' i think 'boy, they sure wish they sounded as good as the beatles.'

>I would guess that you don't think that the Tea Party (well, if you've heard
>of them) sounds like Led Zeppelin mixed with the Doors.
>
>Fuck, I mean even Noel Gallagher admitted to ripping of the Beatles. And he
>got a good laugh about it too.

noel knows he should ride this oasis/beatles comparison as long as he can
cause he knows he should be worried about when it's all going to stop and
oasis will just be a thing of the past. their one fallback is that they are
huge here in the u.s. they are on all the bubble gum radio stations, they
are all over the tabloids. so he knows that there are plenty of fools over
here to pay him money for his so-called talent, which when people are into
metallica and nirvana over here they might as well be into oasis also.
josh

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 23:23:21 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Eirik Gudmundsen 
Subject: Re: Oasis+The Beatles-Blah,Blah..

Hi!

Let's cut this out. Though this is a Charlatans mailinglist, it doesn't 
mean we can't mention other bands. These bands are mainly in the same 
music scene as The Charlatans, and are therefore quite relevant to people 
who is into that kind of music. I don't like one-sentence messages and 
big slagg offs as i think those things can be sorted out with private 
mails. But serious questions and discussions about bands from "the 
alternative" scene, shouldn't be hard for us music lovers to handle. I 
can say this, also since i run this lovely list . Anyway, I love Oasis, I 
love Suede, I love The Beatles, I love Blur, i love Kula Shaker, I love 
Manics, I even love Howard Jones. The Charlatans is the best though, and 
they are warming up for Oasis on August the 11th. THAT's pretty relevant 
to me. Lighten up people. Love is all around me....
 
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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 18:30:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: Oasis+The Beatles-Blah,Blah..

Martin-
	Since you're mincing words, I might as well mince words, too:
	
	Nowhere did I say that MOST of us share common band interests;
The only time that I ever took it upon myself to speak for the whole list
is when I said that we were all anxiously awaiting new Charlies material.
I said that SOME of us were talking about mutual band interests.  I'm sorry
if I didn't get my point across;  I intended for the message to have an 
apologetic tone and perhaps explain why these discussions were occurring.
I wanted to avoid most of the hostility and sarcasm that usually appears on
this, the "Oasis-bashing list".  Here's something for the lot of you:
	Although I am quite fond of the band, there is an internet site that I
came across about a month ago that a lot of you might enjoy.  It's called the
"Oasis Hate page" (or something like that).  I don't know the exact address, 
but you could use net search...
	Sorry about the other band content,  I'll try to avoid it in the
future.I do know about the supersonic guide, but I don't have internet access
at home.

	dan.
"the birds don't sing, they crush my skull..."

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 21:24:27 -0500
From: sbrown@netexpress.net (shane)
Subject: Re: suede

i have a 30 sec wav file of the new Suede single.  if anyone wants me to
e-mail it to em, lemme know...

-shane-

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:01:00 -0500
From: "Travis Saunders-R3278C" 
Subject: nooo

I have decided this is no longer the Charlies list.  This has become an 
extension of whatever the 'sis mailing list.  Have fun.
One more thing to say
METALLICA!!!!!!!!!!!  sorry jes got carried away there, ken?

Cheers
Travis
Charlatans forever
IN MEMORY OF ROB COLLINS
r3278c@email.mot.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:04:35 -0400
From: ShamanBart@aol.com
Subject: Sheer Heresy

As I waded through the twenty odd messages concerning Oasis, Suede, Beatles,
and simultaneously listened to the new JTQ lp, I thought hey, wouldn't it be
cool if the Charlatans drafted James Taylor to finish the next Charlatans
LP??  Sheer Heresy, say you?!  Maybe, but consider that Taylor was rockin the
keyboards with the Prisoners and JTQ well before the Charlatans made it, and
both play awesome Hammond grooves, it is maybe too obviously brilliant for
most to grasp!

For those who doubt, ...check out the Prisoners "Taste of Pink", "Last
Fourfathers", and  "Out from the Cold" if memory serves.  

As my two bits, I will throw in that on their first tour in the States, when
they played small clubs, Oasis sounded great.  Their last record and tour
both sounded like they were produced by a metalhead teenager with no
experience and was drunk on Mad Dog.  Yes, like total shit.  Let's hear it
for the Beatles' producer George Martin and the band. 

Also, was there this much comparison between the last Charlatans LP and the
sound of the Rolling Stones, et al.?  Artists naturally borrow, steal pieces
of stuff they hold dear, hoping too come close to the feeling of their
original creators and to expand...

By the way, the new Bluetones sounds like Ride and Stone Roses big time! on
first listen.  Let's hope at least the latest (last?) Charlatans record
sounds ORIGINAL and do justice to Rob's innovative work over the years.

I'm done ranting now.  Bring on the backlash.        

shamanbart

---------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 03:05:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert 
Subject: Re: Rob...

>noel knows he should ride this oasis/beatles comparison as long as he can
>cause he knows he should be worried about when it's all going to stop and
>oasis will just be a thing of the past. their one fallback is that they are
>huge here in the u.s. they are on all the bubble gum radio stations, they
>are all over the tabloids. so he knows that there are plenty of fools over
>here to pay him money for his so-called talent, which when people are into
>metallica and nirvana over here they might as well be into oasis also.
>josh

Rather sad, innit eh?
Cheers!

DAVE

In memory of Rob Collins, R.I.P.
a la memoire de Rob Collins, R.E.P.

---------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 03:16:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert 
Subject: Other bands

Alright, how's about this for discussing other bands on the list:

Everybody's crap except for the Charlies (oh yes, and Sloan)
Cheers!

DAVE

In memory of Rob Collins, R.I.P.
a la memoire de Rob Collins, R.E.P.

-----------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 03:51:15 -0500
From: sbrown@netexpress.net (shane)
Subject: Re: Sheer Heresy

>As my two bits, I will throw in that on their first tour in the States, when
>they played small clubs, Oasis sounded great.  Their last record and tour
>both sounded like they were produced by a metalhead teenager with no
>experience and was drunk on Mad Dog.  Yes, like total shit.  Let's hear it
>for the Beatles' producer George Martin and the band. 

Good call.  I hate Owen Morris, and I think he ruins every record he
produces.  Thus ends any comment I have on Oasis on this list, ever.  But
yes, a good point.

>By the way, the new Bluetones sounds like Ride and Stone Roses big time! on
>first listen.  Let's hope at least the latest (last?) Charlatans record
>sounds ORIGINAL and do justice to Rob's innovative work over the years.

Wow I completely disagree here.  The Stone Roses comparison, I suppose, is
valid to an extent, but only the happier pop songs off the first album if
anything.  But I don't think that the Bluetones have one ounce of anything
similar to Ride. Ride had fuzzy guitars, phenomenal drum lines, and rough
vocals.  The Bluetones have jangly guitars, standard drums, and smooth
vocals.  I'm not getting that one, sorry.  (Ride is still on my Top 5 bands
of all time list, I'm afraid.)

I personally think that the Tones borrow their influences more from the
Liverpool and London scenes of the late 80's than anything else, with a hint
of Squeeze-esque "proper songwriting" thrown in for good measure.  

I don't want to start a Bluetones thread, but it's interesting that I just
got this e-mail, cause I just walked in the door from aimlessly driving
about for an hour listening to the Tones.  I was just thinking as I was
pulling my car into the parking lot outside, trying to figure out just what
makes the Bluetones such a good band (and I DO reeeeally like them,) and
more interestingly, WHY they're popular, because their music and style
remind me of bands that I love but that the British press have never been
too keen on, like the Trash Can Sinatras, for instance.  Not that it's
important or anything, but it's pretty good brain candy for a Friday
morning.  Also, another incidental thing I realized while driving around on
my Tones kick... I was listening to "Are You Blue Or Are You Blind" and
noticed just how much their drummer sounds like an early Jon Brookes on that
track.... anyone else caught that?

shane

---------------------------------
 
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 11:41:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: Other bands

Leave it to a Canadian to like Sloan!
	Just kidding, geez...
Their first record is really cool, but that's all I've heard.

	dan.  Wow, it only took me one day to break my promise.  Maybe Americans
ARE assholes.....

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Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 11:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: Sheer Heresy

		James Taylor in the Charlatans?  Hmmm.. don't know about that
one.  I was thinking that the obvious choice would be Liberace, but alas,
God has taken him too...
	Wait a minute... I've got it !  How about Rolf from the Muppet Show!

	No disrespect intended, my point is that I don't anyone could replace
Rob.
	dan.  "you're not very well, are you, are you?"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 18:33:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert 
Subject: Re: Other bands

At 11:41 02/08/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Leave it to a Canadian to like Sloan!
>	Just kidding, geez...
>Their first record is really cool, but that's all I've heard.
>
>	dan.  Wow, it only took me one day to break my promise.  Maybe Americans
>ARE assholes.....

Actually, I thought it was kind of funny.

Hmmmm, maybe Canadians really ARE too wishy-washy easy going! :)
Cheers!

DAVE

In memory of Rob Collins, R.I.P.
a la memoire de Rob Collins, R.E.P.

-----------------------------

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:06:48 BST0GMT1
From: trainees 
Subject: Re: Re: Sheer Heresy

(In reply to your message dated Friday 2, August 1996)

Dear Shane

I can see you don't listen to much pre-madchester music.
The Stone Roses and The Charlatans were unfairly compared
in the late 80's, The two bands having common roots in '60s
R&B and Soul (on the bass side), but there the similarities
ended (apart from the fact that neither Brown nor Burgess
could exactly sing).
The Roses sounded more like Jimi Hendrix and other guitar
orientated bands, but the Charlatans, with their instantly
recognisable Hammond (C3?) sound and naive guitar work on
Indian Rope and the early demos had more in common with 
Deep Purple (The opening organ chords of 'Then' are exactly
the same as 'Hush') who in turn took more of a Detroit
Funk feel than many contemporaries.  Most of the bands of 
the Roses and Charlatans ilk have fallen by the wayside in 
the 90s, but I hope The Charlatans (Band of The Decade in my 
own opinion) will not let Rob's sad demise stop them from 
achieving the acclaim and success I think Oasis stole from 
under their noses.

RIP ROB COLLINS

ANOTHER RIDER UP IN FLAMES!!!!

SEEYA
JIMMY L.

----------------------------

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:10:55 BST0GMT1
From: trainees 
Subject: Re: Re: Sheer Heresy

(In reply to your message dated Friday 2, August 1996)
Dear Dan

I know Rob's death was a tragedy, but his playing style was, 
fortunately, very simple on most tracks.  I can think of one 
man who could do the job admirably - Clint Boon of Inspiral 
Carpets. If you've not heard them, check them out.  Clint 
would be ideal for the job.

RIP ROB COLLINS

ANOTHER RIDER UP IN FLAMES!!!!

SEEYA
JIMMY L

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:53:37 BST0GMT1
From: trainees 
Subject: Re: Other bands

(In reply to your message dated Friday 2, August 1996)

Just a quick note from a gutted fan.  I hope that Rob's sad 
death will not kill The Charlatans.  I think they are the 
band of the decade and look forward to hearing the new 
material.  ANOTHER RIDER UP IN FLAMES!!!!!

Seeya!
Jimmy L.

---------------------------------

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 13:37 +0100
From: Flosse@t-online.de (Flosse)
Subject: Hmmm?!?

To be honest:
this is my first own letter to this list altough i've been reading all the 
messages for quite some time.

Well i just want to ask you all out there one question:

Pretend you are to be send to an island all alone for the rest of your life. 
Noone would be there. And the only thing that you could take with you would be 
10 LP's CD's or Cassettes of your own. Which would you take with you???

...bye...
flosse

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 10:56:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: Re: Sheer Heresy

Hey, you know that's not such a bad idea!  Clint Boon might be a good
replacemant.  Do the Inspirals still exist?  In my opinion, they should have
quit after "Revenge of the Goldfish"  (one of my favorite albums) because it
seemed as though they went down hill after that...

I still like Rolf though...
dan.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 19:20:31 +0100
From: Graham Cawsey 
Subject: New keyboard player.

The Charlies have a new keyboard player.  When I find out more I will post.

Graham...
"See my bootlegs at http://www.freeweb.nethead.co.uk/gcawsey"

-------------------------------

Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 19:47:15 +0100
From: Graham Cawsey 
Subject: New keyboard info.

Martin Duffy from Primal Scream

Martin offered his services after hearing the Charlies wanted to still play
Knebworth and with Paul Weller.

He is a temporary member.

Graham...

-------------------------------

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:19:21 -0400
From: DavidG6523@aol.com
Subject: New organ-meister

Greetings,

I'd like to add my vote for the Inspiral's organist, even though he must be
getting on in years by now, to join the Charlatans.  I mean, the roadies have
already made it big -- why not someone from the band!  He can play, that's
for sure, but I also agree that the band have put out CRAP since Revenge of
the Goldfish (well, the How It Should Be single was cool, but that
Saturn-freakin-5 album is major league dung).  Revenge... is an excellent
alternative-indie-pop album -- I've had it on the CD changer non-stop for the
past few weeks -- great sing-along while you drive stuff!  Speaking of
driving, I actually drove the four hour's round trip from Paris to Lille one
night to see the Inspirals at the Aero-something on the Revenge... "Tour de
France" (but then again, I once drove the x hour's roundtrip from Edinburgh
to Newcastle to see OMD at the town hall -- hey, I was desparate for live(?)
music!)

Anyway, Rob's music will live on forever on the CD player, may he rest in
peace...

Regards,
Dave

---------------------------------

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:31:31 -0400
From: ShamanBart@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sheer Heresy

What a crap idea, more like!  While I am not totally adverse to the
Inspirals, their annoying use of a wheezing, squealing Farfisa organ totally
shut them off my buying list.  Sorry, James Taylor of JTQ is 10 K better.  

Anyone else have a candidate??

Have an easy life!
SB

---------------------------

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:02:14 -0500
From: sbrown@netexpress.net (shane)
Subject: desert island discs

>Pretend you are to be send to an island all alone for the rest of your life.
>Noone would be there. And the only thing that you could take with you would be
>10 LP's CD's or Cassettes of your own. Which would you take with you???

Wow - I've seen lots of these desert isle thingers, but never one that
broadens it out to <<10>>.  I may as well try it, then:

1. Ride - Nowhere
2. Boo Radleys - Giant Steps
3. Charlatans - Some Friendly
4. Cocteau Twins - Victorialand
5. Stone Roses - Stone Roses
6. Talk Talk - Colour of Spring
7. Trash Can Sinatras - Cake
8. Xymox - Twist of Shadows
9. Moon and the Melodies
10. Eggman - First Fruits

that's it, though the Eggman thing might change - I just picked it up and am
still in awe of it's presence.  The feeling may fade, though, I dunno...

-shane-

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:54:36 -0500
From: sbrown@netexpress.net (shane)
Subject: Re: New organ-meister

>I'd like to add my vote for the Inspiral's organist, even though he must be
>getting on in years by now, to join the Charlatans.  I mean, the roadies have
>already made it big -- why not someone from the band!  He can play, that's
>for sure, but I also agree that the band have put out CRAP since Revenge of
>the Goldfish (well, the How It Should Be single was cool, but that
>Saturn-freakin-5 album is major league dung). 

Didn't I read somewhere, though, that the Charlies and the Inspirals do NOT
get along?  Or am I mistaken?

-shane-

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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:33:00 -0500
From: "Travis Saunders-R3278C" 
Subject: Re: Hmmm?!?

None cos it'd be pointless.  Without a player, yer'd jes have baggage.  But if 
there was a player......

the Charlatans
Up to Our Hips
Between 10th an 11th
Some Friendly
They don't wanna see the sights live in Europe
Fuzzy logic - super furry animals
Turns into Stone - the Roses
Nowhere - ride
Free peace sweet - dodgy
Definately maybe - sis
11/ Yoshi Ikuzou :)

Cheers
Travis
You an I united by Itemized bills
In memory of Rob Collins
r3278c@email.mot.com

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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 00:28:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert 
Subject: Re: New organ-meister

>Didn't I read somewhere, though, that the Charlies and the Inspirals do NOT
>get along?  Or am I mistaken?

I've seen that in interviews with the Charlies. They seem to like to slag
the Inspirals for being from Liverpool instead of Manchester ( granted, I
don't know wheather or not it's true)
Cheers!

DAVE

In memory of Rob Collins, R.I.P.
a la memoire de Rob Collins, R.E.P.

---------------------------

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 00:46:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Reichert 
Subject: Re: Hmmm?!?

>Pretend you are to be send to an island all alone for the rest of your life.
>Noone would be there. And the only thing that you could take with you would be
>10 LP's CD's or Cassettes of your own. Which would you take with you???

Alright:

1) Between 10th and 11th - Charlatans
2) Some Friendly - Charlatans
3) Up to our hips - The CHarlatans
4) The Charlatans
5) Smeared - Sloan
6) Tripping up the stairs - Spirit of the West
7) The Stone Roses
8) Nowhere - Ride
9) Ferment - Catherine Wheel
10) Beethoven's 9th (yeah, so sue me)
Cheers!

DAVE

In memory of Rob Collins, R.I.P.
a la memoire de Rob Collins, R.E.P.

---------------------------

Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 01:07:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: Hmmm?!?

desert island huh?
I hate that question.  Change it to 20, maybe...
Okay, here goes...
	1. Beatles White Album
	2. Charlies "Up to Our Hips"
	3. Inspiral Carpets "Revenge of the Goldfish"
	4. Something from Sam Cooke (greatist hits or something? Can't live
	    without Soul Music, sorry...)
	5. Afghan Whigs "Black Love" (I'm listening to it right now...
	   phenomenal!  C'mon, I'm American! They're the only good band we have
	   right now!
	6. The Wonder Stuff "Never Loved Elvis" (what's that? "Never loved the
	   Wonder Stuff"?  Got me through the latter half of high school...
	7. Robyn Hitchcock "Respect" (see number 6)
	8. Supergrass "I Should Coco"
	9. The Smiths "Louder Than Bombs"  -"you can break my face but you won't	   change the way I feel"
	10. Really dunno - How 'bout a mix tape with Billie Holiday's "God Bless	   The Child"  with songs from Suede and Pulp on the other side?

	my apologies: I have a problem with closing parentheses...
	
	have a burgerific day!   dan.

--------------------------

Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 01:13:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: DANIEL MCNELIS 
Subject: Re: desert island discs

  Say there-
That Bluetones record just came out here this week.  Smashing!
Sounds a bit like the Boo Radleys upon 1st listen, but that's not a bad thing.
All in all a winner...

    Sorry again, ddddddaaaaaaannnnnnn
                 nnnnnaaaaaaadddddddd
Ya know, it doesn't work so well with my name (mind's in the gutter)

----------------------------

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:49:34 +0930 (GMT+0930)
From: "Peter D." <9408427b@ntx.City.UniSA.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Hmmm?!?

Regarding to your message Flosse i for some reasons have an urge to reply to 
you and everyone else of course well this is my list (and pretty damn good one)

1.Pulp his'n'hers
2.The Charlatans some friendly
3.Ride nowhere
4.Joy division substance
5.Lush lovelife
6.Pulp different class
7.Oasis definitaly maybe
8.Radiohead the bends
9.The Charlatans
10.New order best of

Kate

-------------------------

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:43:55 +0800 (WST)
From: Kevin Johnson PhD Geopolitics 
Subject: Re: Hmmm?!?

On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Flosse wrote:

> Pretend you are to be send to an island all alone for the rest of your life.
> Noone would be there. And the only thing that you could take with you would be
> 10 LP's CD's or Cassettes of your own. Which would you take with you???

  I'll answer that: Exit Planet Dust; Up to Our Hips; Between 10th &
11th; the Charlatans; Only a Northern Soul (Verve); Frankenchrist (Dead
Kennedys); Great when you're straight; Pills, Thrills and Bellyaches; the
Beatles; The Queen is Dead (the Smiths). I want more, I haven't got into
classical music yet.

Kevin Johnson

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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:06:36 -0700
From: ryan@paragon.co.uk (Ryan Butt)
Subject: Re: Hmmm?!?

For what it's worth, here 's my list:

(in no particular order)

The Complete Stone Roses - SR
Abbey Road - Beatles
Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd
The Charlatans - TC
Copper Blue - Sugar
Modern Life is Rubbish - Blur
Leftism - Leftfield
The Second Coming - SR
The Soft Parade - The Doors
Pills n Thrills etc. - HM

A varied mix I'm sure you'll agree!
Ryan

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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:44:18 -0500
From: sloan@muskoka.com (Melanie)
Subject: Re: Hmmm?!?

> this is my first own letter to this list altough i've been reading all the
> messages for quite some time.

Me too.

> Pretend you are to be send to an island all alone for the rest of your life.
> Noone would be there. And the only thing that you could take with you would be
> 10 LP's CD's or Cassettes of your own. Which would you take with you???

Storm In Heaven      the Verve
Pretty in Pink       soundtrack
Twice Removed        Sloan
the White Album      Beatles
Dummy                Portishead
12x5                 Rolling Stones
Head soundtrack      the Monkees
Best II              the Smiths
Going Out single     Supergrass
Best of              Nancy Sintara

:)
Melanie

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:19:51 +1000 (EST)
From: Kate McCarthy 
Subject: desert island discotech

for this week anyways it'd probably be...

Stone Roses - Complete
Saint Etienne - So Tough
Charlatans - Some Friendly
Cardigans - Life
Massive Attack - Blue Lines
Black Grape - It's Great When You're Straight...Yeah
Boo Radleys - Giant Steps
Small Faces - a really decent comp.
Telescopes - Telescopes
Ride - Carnival of Light

oh, and to the kid who has a toronto maple leafs thing at end of every
message... well i saw someone wearing one of their tops the other day at
melbourne university and thought of you...what are they anyways, an ice
hockey team?

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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:49:14 -0500
From: "Shane and Kari Winn" 
Subject: Desert Island Question

Hmmmmm.....that's a goodie.

Anyways, here goes (in no particular order):

Abby Road - The Beatles (It's been my favorite since I was 2 years old)
Some Friendly - The Charlatans
Electric Ladyland - Jimi Hendrix
The Charlatans - The Charlatans
Giant Steps - The Boo Radleys
Revolver - The Beatles
A Northern Soul - The Verve
Hot Rocks - The Rolling Stones
The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
Anthology - Sly & The Family Stone

I'm sure that this list would be revised about a million more times.  

Keep on keepin' on,
Kari

--------------------------

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:42:28 -0400
From: Rainbow507@aol.com
Subject: Re: Desert Island Question

hey what's up everyone, here's my list in no order which i'm sure i'll
change my mind about by tomorrow. 

the cure-- disintegration
pulp-- his n hers
james-- seven
shed 7-- change giver
charlatans-- between 10th and 11th
mazzy star-- she hangs brightly
gene-- olympian
innocence mission-- glow
lemonheads-- it's a shame about ray
tugboat annie-- superfriends    

         love, rainbow

------------------------

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:58:37 GMT
From: *suedette* 
Subject: Re: Hmmm?!?

At 13:37 05/08/96 +0100, you wrote:

>Pretend you are to be send to an island all alone for the rest of your life.
>Noone would be there. And the only thing that you could take with you would be
>10 LP's CD's or Cassettes of your own. Which would you take with you???

Ummm...... in no order:  Charlatans: charlatans, Charlatans: Some friendly,
Stone Roses: Stone Roses, Adorable: Almost Perfection, suede: suede, suede:
DMS, suede: Stay Together, Siouxsie and the Banshees: Twice upon a time, The
Cure: Disintegration,  Joy Division: Substance.

*s*

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